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Post by nygfanstrick on May 1, 2021 15:44:20 GMT -5
Other than the RB from Arizona I think we went all defense after Toney. I would’ve thought it was going to be an offense heavy draft lol That's right...well, we are at least gonna have a fun mock draft season next year 2 firsts and 2 thirds will make things really fun! I want the edge from Oregon next year LOL
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Post by boxcarwillie on May 1, 2021 15:44:38 GMT -5
This is the time of the draft I start tuning out. After our 4th pick I'm out. TV way too many commercials to care. I'll get the highlights after the fact. Hope our 6ers get us good depth. Haha..I got the go for Monday to the Philippines so have a "few" things to do...I'll keep the TV on in the background as I try and locate clean underwear Clean underwear? I thought you said Philippines?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 15:46:50 GMT -5
That's right...well, we are at least gonna have a fun mock draft season next year 2 firsts and 2 thirds will make things really fun! I want the edge from Oregon next year LOL He's already ranked 1 overall...that's the edge this class lacked.
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Post by Miked1958 on May 1, 2021 15:49:59 GMT -5
Trey Smith still available come on! With the need at that position why not take him over a RB????
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 15:50:33 GMT -5
Haha..I got the go for Monday to the Philippines so have a "few" things to do...I'll keep the TV on in the background as I try and locate clean underwear Clean underwear? I thought you said Philippines? LOL!
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Post by DJones19 on May 1, 2021 15:51:19 GMT -5
I searched him and the first play I saw he fumbled a pitch. Looked like a 6th rounder...caught a few passes and looked like his feet were pretty quick but don't know much about him. "Brightwell is an intriguing size/speed back with the one-cut burst to sharply jet away from trouble. However, his run style lacks tempo, and his below-average contact balance limits tackle-breaking opportunities despite his developed frame and run toughness. Overall, Brightwell has unreliable tendencies (poor execution in pass pro; five fumbles in 2020) and lacks an established body of work, but he is an athletic slasher with receiving upside and traits that also translate to special teams.” ...so I guess you are saying Barkley is safe for 2 more years Taking another look I like how Brightwell it looks like cutting and quick feet stand out most but see mixed scouting reports on him. One says he's good in pass protection the other says he'd bad at it. Seems to run with a low pad level...but doesn't seem a threat to replace Barkley
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 15:51:48 GMT -5
Trey Smith still available come on! With the need at that position why not take him over a RB???? He's got some medical ...must have been scratched off most every teams boards.
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Post by jb456 on May 1, 2021 16:24:09 GMT -5
I tend to agree with this. Wanted to see the oline addressed, but you need to see it from their perspective, they put a lot of draft capital in the oline last year, they groomed these kids in their first year, they aren't fully developed. The giants felt were adamant they weren't going to reach for an Oline prospect this year. They want to see if they can get these guys to the next level and clearly believe they can. Continuity is the most important part with an oline group, constantly reshuffling with young olinemnad isn't going to get you anywhere. There needs to be time to figure out if these kids are the real deal or not, one season doesn't come close to revealing that. Respectively disagree. The Giants drafted Thomas, Peart and Lemieux in 2020. The draft is a crapshoot and even if only your top 3 picks hit, thats a successful draft. Banking on all 3 of your Oline picks to hit, including a 5th rounder, is negligence. The hit rate for a starter in the 5th on the Oline is about 16 percent. A little more than 1 in 6. If you throw in the fact that Hernandez was never good then you start to understand my logic. Probability and performance are not on the Giants side. We have seen this movie before and know the ending....
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Post by robl on May 1, 2021 16:25:28 GMT -5
With the need at that position why not take him over a RB???? He's got some medical ...must have been scratched off most every teams boards. 2 episodes of pulmonary emboli. Shouldn’t be allowed to play.
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Post by fifthavephil on May 1, 2021 16:38:22 GMT -5
I tend to agree with this. Wanted to see the oline addressed, but you need to see it from their perspective, they put a lot of draft capital in the oline last year, they groomed these kids in their first year, they aren't fully developed. The giants felt were adamant they weren't going to reach for an Oline prospect this year. They want to see if they can get these guys to the next level and clearly believe they can. Continuity is the most important part with an oline group, constantly reshuffling with young olinemnad isn't going to get you anywhere. There needs to be time to figure out if these kids are the real deal or not, one season doesn't come close to revealing that. Respectively disagree. The Giants drafted Thomas, Peart and Lemieux in 2020. The draft is a crapshoot and even if only your top 3 picks hit, thats a successful draft. Banking on all 3 of your Oline picks to hit, including a 5th rounder, is negligence. The hit rate for a starter in the 5th on the Oline is about 16 percent. A little more than 1 in 6. If you throw in the fact that Hernandez was never good then you start to understand my logic. Probability and performance are not on the Giants side. We have seen this movie before and know the ending.... I believe the Giants are counting on Kyle Murphy at RG. Fulton is the backup plan. Plus, there could be post June 1st cuts.
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Post by Morehead State on May 1, 2021 16:42:44 GMT -5
Respectively disagree. The Giants drafted Thomas, Peart and Lemieux in 2020. The draft is a crapshoot and even if only your top 3 picks hit, thats a successful draft. Banking on all 3 of your Oline picks to hit, including a 5th rounder, is negligence. The hit rate for a starter in the 5th on the Oline is about 16 percent. A little more than 1 in 6. If you throw in the fact that Hernandez was never good then you start to understand my logic. Probability and performance are not on the Giants side. We have seen this movie before and know the ending.... I believe the Giants are counting on Kyle Murphy at RG. Fulton is the backup plan. Plus, there could be post June 1st cuts. Did the Giants sign Kyle Murphy?
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Post by jb456 on May 1, 2021 16:45:16 GMT -5
Respectively disagree. The Giants drafted Thomas, Peart and Lemieux in 2020. The draft is a crapshoot and even if only your top 3 picks hit, thats a successful draft. Banking on all 3 of your Oline picks to hit, including a 5th rounder, is negligence. The hit rate for a starter in the 5th on the Oline is about 16 percent. A little more than 1 in 6. If you throw in the fact that Hernandez was never good then you start to understand my logic. Probability and performance are not on the Giants side. We have seen this movie before and know the ending.... I believe the Giants are counting on Kyle Murphy at RG. Fulton is the backup plan. Plus, there could be post June 1st cuts. Post June 1st may be the play. Kyle Murphy was an UDFA. Zack Fulton gave up 11 sacks in 2020, I think this was the worst in the league. We just got to trust Judge on this I guess...
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Post by giantlegacy on May 1, 2021 16:45:46 GMT -5
Colts just got a QB that has major it factor upside in Erhlinger
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Post by giantlegacy on May 1, 2021 16:52:50 GMT -5
Saw Roche still not taken and in the 6th? He was a day 2 graded player and watched him be very productive in Miami ..
Has anyone taken him yet?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 16:58:15 GMT -5
I tend to agree with this. Wanted to see the oline addressed, but you need to see it from their perspective, they put a lot of draft capital in the oline last year, they groomed these kids in their first year, they aren't fully developed. The giants felt were adamant they weren't going to reach for an Oline prospect this year. They want to see if they can get these guys to the next level and clearly believe they can. Continuity is the most important part with an oline group, constantly reshuffling with young olinemnad isn't going to get you anywhere. There needs to be time to figure out if these kids are the real deal or not, one season doesn't come close to revealing that. Respectively disagree. The Giants drafted Thomas, Peart and Lemieux in 2020. The draft is a crapshoot and even if only your top 3 picks hit, thats a successful draft. Banking on all 3 of your Oline picks to hit, including a 5th rounder, is negligence. The hit rate for a starter in the 5th on the Oline is about 16 percent. A little more than 1 in 6. If you throw in the fact that Hernandez was never good then you start to understand my logic. Probability and performance are not on the Giants side. We have seen this movie before and know the ending.... I doubt that the Giants are evaluating based on stats. They work with these guys every day and are able to project. It's obvious they have way more confidence in the players they have than the fan base. I mean, we flat out ignored the oline in the draft. That has to tell you something. Joe doesn't strike me as the type of coach who overlooks weakness.
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Post by TEM on May 1, 2021 17:12:15 GMT -5
t's obvious they have way more confidence in the players they have than the fan base. I am one of those fan base. I will say this. They always seem to have more confidence than we do. Yet our concerns have been proven to be justified. "I hope" (there I go again) this year is different.
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Post by TCHOF on May 1, 2021 17:16:39 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 17:17:30 GMT -5
t's obvious they have way more confidence in the players they have than the fan base. I am one of those fan base. I will say this. They always seem to have more confidence than we do. Yet our concerns have been proven to be justified. "I hope" (there I go again) this year is different. I disagree. They never "ignored" the o-line. Shit just didn't work out with the ones they chose before. We invested a lot last year. Maybe it's time to let them gel?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 17:20:23 GMT -5
Have you considered self medicating? Yeah, with alcohol, like everyone else who is a Giants fan. Have you considered using a ball gag to keep your mouth shut? Oh, never mind, you would proba enjoy that too much. Why don’t you try a enema in your mouth to wash out all the crap you spew?
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Post by fifthavephil on May 1, 2021 17:25:57 GMT -5
I believe the Giants are counting on Kyle Murphy at RG. Fulton is the backup plan. Plus, there could be post June 1st cuts. Did the Giants sign Kyle Murphy? He is still listed on there roster, along with the new FA players. Murphy [ last year ] was the highest paid UDFA on PS. Later in season was put on the main roster, so he would not be claim by another team. He never started but was on sidelines the last 4-5 games.
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Post by TEM on May 1, 2021 17:30:43 GMT -5
I am one of those fan base. I will say this. They always seem to have more confidence than we do. Yet our concerns have been proven to be justified. "I hope" (there I go again) this year is different. I disagree. They never "ignored" the o-line. Shit just didn't work out with the ones they chose before. We invested a lot last year. Maybe it's time to let them gel? I agree with they need to gel. I am not a fan of "it was not ignored" or "it was addressed" statements This is just my opinion. If your QB is getting wacked to often, Hurried way too much ...... yeah the line was addressed and wasn't ignored. But it is not showing to be fixed. I am a firm believer that the offensive line needs a conveyor belt of talent. That means drafting them in every draft. ( 1 or 2) That way if one does not work out . You have an influx a of talent every year to be ready to replace the ones that do not meet expectations .
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Post by giantlegacy on May 1, 2021 17:36:22 GMT -5
Once a Gator always a Gator But yeah seems they made a panic move with Etiene .. This is why though Eli Moore is a similar kind of player he could have taken
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Post by giantlegacy on May 1, 2021 17:43:51 GMT -5
Yeah, with alcohol, like everyone else who is a Giants fan. Have you considered using a ball gag to keep your mouth shut? Oh, never mind, you would proba enjoy that too much. Why don’t you try a enema in your mouth to wash out all the crap you spew? And yet I have 66% warning for nothing remotely close to this
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Post by vinnie on May 1, 2021 17:47:11 GMT -5
1) I’m not your bro 2) yeah, when DJ is getting sacked every other player or having to throw the ball away and Barkley has little room to run, I’ll be mad Question? So, it is obvious by now that the Giants FO , which not only includes your arch nemesis Dave Gettleman making the decisions, but also the senior coaching staff, believe that they are better off continuing to develop the starting OL players they invested in last year, rather than replace them THIS year by drafting new ones. Is it your assertion that you are a better judge of talent then they? I mean, your demeanor shows that you are very angry that they are not doing what you think they should be doing. Sorry, 2 questions.....Is it better to allow a young line to gel, or to replace them when they don't instantly become great? Based on what Dave Gettleman has said he would do with this line and what he’s actually done with this line wince he got here, yes I would say I would have handled it better. Laugh all you want but any idiot could see how bad our O line was when he took over yet he still used a second overall pick on a RB with NO O line to run behind. That right there was a clear indication of how bad he is at evaluating O line talent. What was his solution? Set a new record for LT’s salary for a below average LT who never even made a pro bowl but instead, set season records for pressures allowed. And the excuse was “there was no one else” which I’ve already covered how ridiculous that excuse is. He then drafts Hernandez who has sone nothing but regress since his rookie year. I don’t care what the analysis said about Hernandez at the time, that’s why good GM’s find value and not just look at general consensus rankings, any of us could do that. So he failed there as well. The there’s the multiple mistakes like Oma, paying him 15 mil for 3 years and cutting him half way through the season. Halapio, Pulley, not moving Flowers to guard which a lot of people suggested (maybe that was the coach) but it’s been mistake after mistake after mistake. Now we roll into next season with two vets that have more than 1 year experience. Both have regressed and one was benched for a rookie while the other was in the top of the league for pressures allowed last time he played 2 years ago. If Solder isn’t the starter, then we will have 4 of 5 O lineman who it’s their second year and only one has 1st round talent but failed well short of expectations and Gates is good. Then we have Peart, no idea what we have there but he didn’t get a lot of playing time, even considering COVID, and Lemieux who gave up a league high 25 pressures and 10? sacks last year. Don’t forget we have a QB with no pocket presence who has also been under constant pressure since he became a starter and leagues the league in turnovers since 2019. Our defense could have used a little help but our O line needed it more. I would have been happy with just one plug and play guard which could have easily been found in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. Even most people on this site kept hoping and saying we would eventually draft one, but nope. Now we’re going into roll this season with the same players and keep our fingers crossed that they ALL improve even more than at the end of last season which was still well in the bottom 10 of the league. That’s insanity. If we had one good CB, one ok CB and no CB depth but just signed 2 well regarded O lineman in FA and had some O line depth, would it be smart to completely ignore the CB group and spend a few more picks on the O line? I don’t care that they just spent a few picks on the O line last year. As of now, Thomas as been the worst of the big 4 but he may be good. Lemieux was a 5th round pick and is playing like it, maybe even worse considering his pass blocking, Gates is good, Hernandez definitely hasn’t been 2nd round material and we have no idea about Peart but based on the past 3 years of DG’s “priority” I don’t have any faith until he gets out there and proves it. 2nd question) As I said, if we drafted at least one plug and play guard I would have had no problems and they still could have “gelled” but how much are they going to gel anyways from last year when half of them didn’t even play together (Peart, Solder, Hernandez)? The only ones who played together most of the season were Thomas, Lemieux and Gates and one of those is a complete liability. Let me ask you this? We haven’t had a decent O line in over a decade, and when Gettleman took over he said fixing the O line was his first priority which was ~4 years ago. As of last year, they were still bottom ten in the league. Is it your assertion that you trust they know what they’re doing? Would you keep taking your car back to the same mechanic for the same problem for 4 years after he keeps claiming to have fixed it or at some point are you going to be upset and go somewhere else?
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Post by vinnie on May 1, 2021 17:51:32 GMT -5
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Post by vinnie on May 1, 2021 17:56:02 GMT -5
So the Cowboys add 2 good LBers and some interior D linemen, the Redskins add even more defense to one of the best in the league and we roll into the 2021 season with one of the worst O lines from last year in hopes they improved enough to not have 3 of the starters who have all been in the top of the league at some point for most pressures and sacks allowed. This includes both vets and rookies. Well done, address everything but our biggest weakness while our divisional foes build a roster to attack that already weak line. I’m sure this will work out well. What OL pick did you want us to make instead of the guys that we drafted? Where do I start? The list is too long, I’ll get to it tomorrow. I’m not saying we needed a first round talent, or even second but there were options in later rounds.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 18:18:45 GMT -5
Question? So, it is obvious by now that the Giants FO , which not only includes your arch nemesis Dave Gettleman making the decisions, but also the senior coaching staff, believe that they are better off continuing to develop the starting OL players they invested in last year, rather than replace them THIS year by drafting new ones. Is it your assertion that you are a better judge of talent then they? I mean, your demeanor shows that you are very angry that they are not doing what you think they should be doing. Sorry, 2 questions.....Is it better to allow a young line to gel, or to replace them when they don't instantly become great? Based on what Dave Gettleman has said he would do with this line and what he’s actually done with this line wince he got here, yes I would say I would have handled it better. Laugh all you want but any idiot could see how bad our O line was when he took over yet he still used a second overall pick on a RB with NO O line to run behind. That right there was a clear indication of how bad he is at evaluating O line talent. What was his solution? Set a new record for LT’s salary for a below average LT who never even made a pro bowl but instead, set season records for pressures allowed. And the excuse was “there was no one else” which I’ve already covered how ridiculous that excuse is. He then drafts Hernandez who has sone nothing but regress since his rookie year. I don’t care what the analysis said about Hernandez at the time, that’s why good GM’s find value and not just look at general consensus rankings, any of us could do that. So he failed there as well. The there’s the multiple mistakes like Oma, paying him 15 mil for 3 years and cutting him half way through the season. Halapio, Pulley, not moving Flowers to guard which a lot of people suggested (maybe that was the coach) but it’s been mistake after mistake after mistake. Now we roll into next season with two vets that have more than 1 year experience. Both have regressed and one was benched for a rookie while the other was in the top of the league for pressures allowed last time he played 2 years ago. If Solder isn’t the starter, then we will have 4 of 5 O lineman who it’s their second year and only one has 1st round talent but failed well short of expectations and Gates is good. Then we have Peart, no idea what we have there but he didn’t get a lot of playing time, even considering COVID, and Lemieux who gave up a league high 25 pressures and 10? sacks last year. Don’t forget we have a QB with no pocket presence who has also been under constant pressure since he became a starter and leagues the league in turnovers since 2019. Our defense could have used a little help but our O line needed it more. I would have been happy with just one plug and play guard which could have easily been found in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. Even most people on this site kept hoping and saying we would eventually draft one, but nope. Now we’re going into roll this season with the same players and keep our fingers crossed that they ALL improve even more than at the end of last season which was still well in the bottom 10 of the league. That’s insanity. If we had one good CB, one ok CB and no CB depth but just signed 2 well regarded O lineman in FA and had some O line depth, would it be smart to completely ignore the CB group and spend a few more picks on the O line? I don’t care that they just spent a few picks on the O line last year. As of now, Thomas as been the worst of the big 4 but he may be good. Lemieux was a 5th round pick and is playing like it, maybe even worse considering his pass blocking, Gates is good, Hernandez definitely hasn’t been 2nd round material and we have no idea about Peart but based on the past 3 years of DG’s “priority” I don’t have any faith until he gets out there and proves it. 2nd question) As I said, if we drafted at least one plug and play guard I would have had no problems and they still could have “gelled” but how much are they going to gel anyways from last year when half of them didn’t even play together (Peart, Solder, Hernandez)? The only ones who played together most of the season were Thomas, Lemieux and Gates and one of those is a complete liability. Let me ask you this? We haven’t had a decent O line in over a decade, and when Gettleman took over he said fixing the O line was his first priority which was ~4 years ago. As of last year, they were still bottom ten in the league. Is it your assertion that you trust they know what they’re doing? Would you keep taking your car back to the same mechanic for the same problem for 4 years after he keeps claiming to have fixed it or at some point are you going to be upset and go somewhere else? A simple "yes" would have sufficed. I stopped reading after that.
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Post by McCherry on May 1, 2021 18:41:16 GMT -5
I disagree. They never "ignored" the o-line. Shit just didn't work out with the ones they chose before. We invested a lot last year. Maybe it's time to let them gel? I agree with they need to gel. I a not a fan of "it was not ignored" or "it was addressed" statements This is just my opinion. If your QB is getting wacked to often, Hurried way too much ...... yeah the line was addressed and wasn't ignored. But it is not showing to be fixed. I am a firm believer that the offensive line needs a conveyor belt of talent. That means drafting them in every draft. ( 1 or 2) That way if one does not work out . You have an influx a of talent every year to be ready to replace the ones that do not meet expectations . I don't agree with this at all. The best offensive lines have stability. The ones whose lineups change every year are always the ones that are not very good. This is the first year that we’re going into where all 5 linemen were here last year.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 18:49:17 GMT -5
Gary Brightwell RB Arizona. Anybody? You live out there Anything His scouting report says he runs at one speed,hard, probably at times into the back of his own O linemenThat is great... Thanks for that!!
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Post by Nite on May 1, 2021 18:51:30 GMT -5
Welp, that was interesting...
So far we have;
- CBs coming out of our asses
- A shiny brand new WR that could surprise some folks
- A coupla LBs w names I can't pronounce (unless I'm sneezing)
- A some picks for next year (good thing)
So'k so fa so good...but kiddos we are missing something, just can't put my finger on it..
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