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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 6:42:19 GMT -5
I'm aware that some fans out here continue to over rate some of the Giants draft picks.. Still not sure why fans think these late round draft picks are ALL going to become good enough starting material for this team.. Where do you get your information from... Do fans think ALL late draft picks, or all picks in general are going to become starting material, I think not. So you are admitting that late round prospects get hype???? Go Giants!! I can't wait to see if any of the Giants 3rd day draft picks live up to your hype.. lol
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Post by ThatGuyRich on May 13, 2021 10:51:51 GMT -5
I am so optimistic about this Giant team. Especially the Defense. This secondary is going to be a top 5 in the league imo. I love the potential of this secondary.
The Safety position is 4 deep and should be even better than last year. Cause they did a fine job in Graham's cover 3 defense inside our 30 yard line holding teams to FG's instead of TD's. It was a strength they kept us in games.
Adoree Jackson is such an upgrade on the other side of Bradbury. If we can get a pass rush and force that ball out early these CB's should excel. Hopefully someone else steps up this year and gives the CB position the depth it needs incase of injury or just to spell the starters.
DL should be strong as last year. Now Shelton isn't going to be as strong as DT was last year. But Shelton is a damn good nose guard. He was a 1st rd pick for Cleveland and has a rep for penetration. He does absorb blocks. And being between LW and Dex he should have a darn good year this season.
The depth of the DL is Ok I think to spell the starters but I'm not sure if someone gets hurt and they have to play a full game or 2.
LBing Martinez we know how good he was for us last year and no reason why he can't duplicate his performance. he's a tackling machine. Ojulari could be a gift to our defense as a 2nd rd pick. I wanted him as our 1st rd pick at #20. But beside these 2 there is a whole mess of depth but I don't really see any difference in any of the others. I'm assuming Carter starts at the other edge from Ojulari. And the Vikes Lber next to Martinez. Can't spell his name.
This defense allowed 22 pts per game last year and was ranked 8th in the league. Both these numbers get improved this season. Turnovers and sacks increase. We are among the top 3 in holding teams to FG's instead of TD's in the red zone. We were among the leaders in this category last year.
Is this optimistic enough ? Go Blue !
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Post by Kruunch on May 13, 2021 11:34:21 GMT -5
I am so optimistic about this Giant team. Especially the Defense. This secondary is going to be a top 5 in the league imo. I love the potential of this secondary. The Safety position is 4 deep and should be even better than last year. Cause they did a fine job in Graham's cover 3 defense inside our 30 yard line holding teams to FG's instead of TD's. It was a strength they kept us in games. Adoree Jackson is such an upgrade on the other side of Bradbury. If we can get a pass rush and force that ball out early these CB's should excel. Hopefully someone else steps up this year and gives the CB position the depth it needs incase of injury or just to spell the starters. DL should be strong as last year. Now Shelton isn't going to be as strong as DT was last year. But Shelton is a damn good nose guard. He was a 1st rd pick for Cleveland and has a rep for penetration. He does absorb blocks. And being between LW and Dex he should have a darn good year this season. The depth of the DL is Ok I think to spell the starters but I'm not sure if someone gets hurt and they have to play a full game or 2. LBing Martinez we know how good he was for us last year and no reason why he can't duplicate his performance. he's a tackling machine. Ojulari could be a gift to our defense as a 2nd rd pick. I wanted him as our 1st rd pick at #20. But beside these 2 there is a whole mess of depth but I don't really see any difference in any of the others. I'm assuming Carter starts at the other edge from Ojulari. And the Vikes Lber next to Martinez. Can't spell his name. This defense allowed 22 pts per game last year and was ranked 8th in the league. Both these numbers get improved this season. Turnovers and sacks increase. We are among the top 3 in holding teams to FG's instead of TD's in the red zone. We were among the leaders in this category last year. Is this optimistic enough ? Go Blue ! You have enough optimism to take down a bull elephant. You know what’s going to happen now right? The football Gods will take this over zealous post personal and make sure the Giants have to jump over every hurdle and take on every speed bump on their way. And if that’s not enough, they will have the injury bug not only hang around our team, but he will bring the whole family for a visit. If we don’t have the best defense ever.. I’m holding you responsible.. On paper we should have a very good defense. On paper though, I don’t fall for what they did last year will translate to the following season. Been down that road so many times, I know it like the back of my hand. When the season starts, lend me some of that optimism you got. Trust me, you have enough that no one would notice.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on May 13, 2021 11:54:59 GMT -5
I am so optimistic about this Giant team. Especially the Defense. This secondary is going to be a top 5 in the league imo. I love the potential of this secondary. The Safety position is 4 deep and should be even better than last year. Cause they did a fine job in Graham's cover 3 defense inside our 30 yard line holding teams to FG's instead of TD's. It was a strength they kept us in games. Adoree Jackson is such an upgrade on the other side of Bradbury. If we can get a pass rush and force that ball out early these CB's should excel. Hopefully someone else steps up this year and gives the CB position the depth it needs incase of injury or just to spell the starters. DL should be strong as last year. Now Shelton isn't going to be as strong as DT was last year. But Shelton is a damn good nose guard. He was a 1st rd pick for Cleveland and has a rep for penetration. He does absorb blocks. And being between LW and Dex he should have a darn good year this season. The depth of the DL is Ok I think to spell the starters but I'm not sure if someone gets hurt and they have to play a full game or 2. LBing Martinez we know how good he was for us last year and no reason why he can't duplicate his performance. he's a tackling machine. Ojulari could be a gift to our defense as a 2nd rd pick. I wanted him as our 1st rd pick at #20. But beside these 2 there is a whole mess of depth but I don't really see any difference in any of the others. I'm assuming Carter starts at the other edge from Ojulari. And the Vikes Lber next to Martinez. Can't spell his name. This defense allowed 22 pts per game last year and was ranked 8th in the league. Both these numbers get improved this season. Turnovers and sacks increase. We are among the top 3 in holding teams to FG's instead of TD's in the red zone. We were among the leaders in this category last year. Is this optimistic enough ? Go Blue ! You have enough optimism to take down a bull elephant. You know what’s going to happen now right? The football Gods will take this over zealous post personal and make sure the Giants have to jump over every hurdle and take on every speed bump on their way. And if that’s not enough, they will have the injury bug not only hang around our team, but he will bring the whole family for a visit. If we don’t have the best defense ever.. I’m holding you responsible.. On paper we should have a very good defense. On paper though, I don’t fall for what they did last year will translate to the following season. Been down that road so many times, I know it like the back of my hand. When the season starts, lend me some of that optimism you got. Trust me, you have enough that no one would notice. HaHa Your right , I'm optimistic for the first time in 3 years. I think were a much stronger team this season. kruunch Ya know if you check the standings we haven't lost a game yet. But you know after we lose our first game I'm sure I will be pointing out everything we did wrong. And why don't they listen to me. But so far their doing good.
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Post by Kruunch on May 13, 2021 12:09:21 GMT -5
You have enough optimism to take down a bull elephant. You know what’s going to happen now right? The football Gods will take this over zealous post personal and make sure the Giants have to jump over every hurdle and take on every speed bump on their way. And if that’s not enough, they will have the injury bug not only hang around our team, but he will bring the whole family for a visit. If we don’t have the best defense ever.. I’m holding you responsible.. On paper we should have a very good defense. On paper though, I don’t fall for what they did last year will translate to the following season. Been down that road so many times, I know it like the back of my hand. When the season starts, lend me some of that optimism you got. Trust me, you have enough that no one would notice. HaHa Your right , I'm optimistic for the first time in 3 years. I think were a much stronger team this season. kruunch Ya know if you check the standings we haven't lost a game yet. But you know after we lose our first game I'm sure I will be pointing out everything we did wrong. And why don't they listen to me. But so far their doing good. I keep saying. If only the Giants listened to you we’ll be alright. Stubborn bastards think they can do this all on their own. You saw Red Grange play live, that’s got to mean something..
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Post by jimmieray on May 13, 2021 12:16:34 GMT -5
I am so optimistic about this Giant team. Especially the Defense. This secondary is going to be a top 5 in the league imo. I love the potential of this secondary. The Safety position is 4 deep and should be even better than last year. Cause they did a fine job in Graham's cover 3 defense inside our 30 yard line holding teams to FG's instead of TD's. It was a strength they kept us in games.Adoree Jackson is such an upgrade on the other side of Bradbury. If we can get a pass rush and force that ball out early these CB's should excel. Hopefully someone else steps up this year and gives the CB position the depth it needs incase of injury or just to spell the starters. DL should be strong as last year. Now Shelton isn't going to be as strong as DT was last year. But Shelton is a damn good nose guard. He was a 1st rd pick for Cleveland and has a rep for penetration. He does absorb blocks. And being between LW and Dex he should have a darn good year this season. The depth of the DL is Ok I think to spell the starters but I'm not sure if someone gets hurt and they have to play a full game or 2. LBing Martinez we know how good he was for us last year and no reason why he can't duplicate his performance. he's a tackling machine. Ojulari could be a gift to our defense as a 2nd rd pick. I wanted him as our 1st rd pick at #20. But beside these 2 there is a whole mess of depth but I don't really see any difference in any of the others. I'm assuming Carter starts at the other edge from Ojulari. And the Vikes Lber next to Martinez. Can't spell his name. This defense allowed 22 pts per game last year and was ranked 8th in the league. Both these numbers get improved this season. Turnovers and sacks increase. We are among the top 3 in holding teams to FG's instead of TD's in the red zone. We were among the leaders in this category last year.Is this optimistic enough ? Go Blue ! You can say that, again! I really hadn't seen that stat, or thought about it. Seems like it tells how opposing teams view our improvement on this side of the ball. Now if our offense can start delivering in the Red Zone, and much of the new personnel seem to fit that idea - what an execution differential in a relatively short period of time.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on May 13, 2021 15:38:05 GMT -5
HaHa Your right , I'm optimistic for the first time in 3 years. I think were a much stronger team this season. kruunch Ya know if you check the standings we haven't lost a game yet. But you know after we lose our first game I'm sure I will be pointing out everything we did wrong. And why don't they listen to me. But so far their doing good. I keep saying. If only the Giants listened to you we’ll be alright. Stubborn bastards think they can do this all on their own. You saw Red Grange play live, that’s got to mean something.. And I've seen his father play also.
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Post by jimmieray on May 13, 2021 15:46:03 GMT -5
I keep saying. If only the Giants listened to you we’ll be alright. Stubborn bastards think they can do this all on their own. You saw Red Grange play live, that’s got to mean something.. And I've seen his father play also. I saw ZZ Topp play "La Grange". A hmm hmm hmm, a haw haw haw... have mercy!
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Post by snyder55 on May 13, 2021 15:57:50 GMT -5
right now I'm just satisfied that we aren't opening with the Cowboys again, even though I feel we're a better team than they are right now it breaks my heart to lose to those shits...
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Post by Kase1 on May 17, 2021 15:46:40 GMT -5
Where do you get your information from... Do fans think ALL late draft picks, or all picks in general are going to become starting material, I think not. So you are admitting that late round prospects get hype???? Go Giants!! I can't wait to see if any of the Giants 3rd day draft picks live up to your hype.. lol Oh now this is solely on me and 'my hype' You're something else
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Post by Rangers13 on May 17, 2021 16:41:05 GMT -5
So long as the DL remains healthy and if one of these many OLB can get to the QB like their scouting reports indicated.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 6:53:19 GMT -5
Go Giants!! I can't wait to see if any of the Giants 3rd day draft picks live up to your hype.. lol Oh now this is solely on me and 'my hype' You're something elsePretty much we all are and especially you are now.... Still can't wait to see if any of these 3rd round players live up to your hype.. My guess is no way and wouldn't be surprised if they don't even make the team.
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Post by IrishMike on May 18, 2021 11:51:36 GMT -5
And being a minority will put him atop of the interviewing process. But we got him for another season, hopefully the coaches under him will absorb his schemes and methods, and the relatively young roster personnel will be set. Yeah, that sounds all nice and all. But, after we lost our top assistant Spags our defense went into the shitter quick. Losing Graham would be a huge loss, and not easily replaced. Depending on how the season goes, we could lose our offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator in one offseason. Most will not lose sleep over losing Garrett. But, Graham? That will hurt. Didn't we win the Super Bowl on the strength of our defense a couple years after Spags left? Also losing Michael Strahan, Pierce and most of that secondary probably had something to do with the downturn as well.
Yes losing Graham would not be good, I doubt we have to denounce our fandom if he leaves though. This is probably his last year here, especially if we are good again.
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Post by giantlegacy on May 18, 2021 11:58:57 GMT -5
Yeah, that sounds all nice and all. But, after we lost our top assistant Spags our defense went into the shitter quick. Losing Graham would be a huge loss, and not easily replaced. Depending on how the season goes, we could lose our offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator in one offseason. Most will not lose sleep over losing Garrett. But, Graham? That will hurt. Didn't we win the Super Bowl on the strength of our defense a couple years after Spags left? Also losing Michael Strahan, Pierce and most of that secondary probably had something to do with the downturn as well.
Yes losing Graham would not be good, I doubt we have to denounce our fandom if he leaves though. This is probably his last year here, especially if we are good again.
Revisionist history much? Eli,the recievers and the passing game carried that team through the regular season until Rolle basicly told Fewell to make the scheme less complicated at the end of tbe year ...
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Post by Jomo on May 18, 2021 15:54:29 GMT -5
Very excited about this D. Haven't been this pumped for D in a LONG time.
I also like Xavier McKinney and Darnay Holmes as quality pieces in nickel and dime packages.
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Post by IrishMike on May 18, 2021 17:49:06 GMT -5
Didn't we win the Super Bowl on the strength of our defense a couple years after Spags left? Also losing Michael Strahan, Pierce and most of that secondary probably had something to do with the downturn as well.
Yes losing Graham would not be good, I doubt we have to denounce our fandom if he leaves though. This is probably his last year here, especially if we are good again.
Revisionist history much? Eli,the recievers and the passing game carried that team through the regular season until Rolle basicly told Fewell to make the scheme less complicated at the end of tbe year ... Umm, not revisionist at all, I asked a question.
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Post by IrishMike on May 18, 2021 17:51:55 GMT -5
Very excited about this D. Haven't been this pumped for D in a LONG time. I also like Xavier McKinney and Darnay Holmes as quality pieces in nickel and dime packages. It's crazy to think our D is so deep that Xavier McKinney isn't a locked in starter. IMO this is our most skilled D in many years (perhaps to the early 90s). The one piece we are missing is the pass rusher, which hopefully we found.
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Post by Kase1 on May 24, 2021 14:27:28 GMT -5
Oh now this is solely on me and 'my hype' You're something elsePretty much we all are and especially you are now.... Still can't wait to see if any of these 3rd round players live up to your hype.. My guess is no way and wouldn't be surprised if they don't even make the team. Now we're talking 3rd rounders, before we were talking 3rd day pick. Big difference there
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Post by McCherry on May 24, 2021 14:45:38 GMT -5
Yeah, that sounds all nice and all. But, after we lost our top assistant Spags our defense went into the shitter quick. Losing Graham would be a huge loss, and not easily replaced. Depending on how the season goes, we could lose our offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator in one offseason. Most will not lose sleep over losing Garrett. But, Graham? That will hurt. Didn't we win the Super Bowl on the strength of our defense a couple years after Spags left? Also losing Michael Strahan, Pierce and most of that secondary probably had something to do with the downturn as well.
Yes losing Graham would not be good, I doubt we have to denounce our fandom if he leaves though. This is probably his last year here, especially if we are good again.
I agree, it’s silly to lament Graham at this point here. The defense wasn't that good last year. To your point, it’s the talent that got better around here. Teams lose good coordinators of good defenses. That's how the process works.
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Post by IrishMike on May 24, 2021 19:46:01 GMT -5
I agree, it’s silly to lament Graham at this point here. The defense wasn't that good last year. To your point, it’s the talent that got better around here. Teams lose good coordinators of good defenses. That's how the process works. I certainly think it was a combo of better players, better coach and right system. I'm just not going to write us off as a loser team for when he moves on, because he will be moving on unless for some strange reason he is 100% content being the Assistant HC (which would be awesome).
I wish there was a stat out there to see how teams do after having a top tier O or D and losing their OC/DC.
Fun history discussion. We had the #1 D in 1990 with Bill Belichick here. Then he left and we were still pretty good for a few years. In 1993 we once again had the #1 D. 1993 was LTs last season in the NFL and he was playing with a rookie named Michael Strahan. Also on that D was Michael Brooks (All Pro in 1993), Jessie Armstead (rookie) and Keith Hamilton. The team had four pro bowlers that year, all four were on our 18th ranked Offense. Our #1 ranked defense didn't have a single Pro Bowler.
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Post by McCherry on May 24, 2021 19:58:22 GMT -5
I agree, it’s silly to lament Graham at this point here. The defense wasn't that good last year. To your point, it’s the talent that got better around here. Teams lose good coordinators of good defenses. That's how the process works. I certainly think it was a combo of better players, better coach and right system. I'm just not going to write us off as a loser team for when he moves on, because he will be moving on unless for some strange reason he is 100% content being the Assistant HC (which would be awesome).
I wish there was a stat out there to see how teams do after having a top tier O or D and losing their OC/DC.
Fun history discussion. We had the #1 D in 1990 with Bill Belichick here. Then he left and we were still pretty good for a few years. In 1993 we once again had the #1 D. 1993 was LTs last season in the NFL and he was playing with a rookie named Michael Strahan. Also on that D was Michael Brooks (All Pro in 1993), Jessie Armstead (rookie) and Keith Hamilton. The team had four pro bowlers that year, all four were on our 18th ranked Offense. Our #1 ranked defense didn't have a single Pro Bowler.
And as you said, we lost Spags who was heralded as a God, then won with Fewell who was fired a few years later when the talent began running dry... You have to be really bad to screw it up when you have talent to work with.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2021 7:30:11 GMT -5
Pretty much we all are and especially you are now.... Still can't wait to see if any of these 3rd round players live up to your hype.. My guess is no way and wouldn't be surprised if they don't even make the team. Now we're talking 3rd rounders, before we were talking 3rd day pick. Big difference there Still can't wait to see the Carters and Xman on this team actually live up to the hype some of you keep claiming about them.. No need to worry if they continue to disappoint because they have a bunch of 6th rounders to pick up the slack..
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Post by nick030567 on May 25, 2021 9:25:54 GMT -5
Didn't we win the Super Bowl on the strength of our defense a couple years after Spags left? Also losing Michael Strahan, Pierce and most of that secondary probably had something to do with the downturn as well.
Yes losing Graham would not be good, I doubt we have to denounce our fandom if he leaves though. This is probably his last year here, especially if we are good again.
Revisionist history much? Eli,the recievers and the passing game carried that team through the regular season until Rolle basicly told Fewell to make the scheme less complicated at the end of tbe year ... Fewell really was dreadful..one week he'd have a really good gameplay that played to the strengths of the defense..then the next week he'd have them playing a soft zone all game and they'd give up 30 points. Then he and Coughlin would look all confused as if they've never seen a football game in their lives. Fewell was the kind of guy that just relied on a basic, vanilla 4 man rush all the time. His scheme did VERY little to confuse QB at the line. But I will say that he did great during the SB run. He certainly had his shit together those 4 games! The defense suffered immensely after Spags left. Especially once injuries got to Tuck and Osi. Both Spags energy and his scheme fit that personnel like a glove. Those guys loved him It wasn't until 2014 that the defensive personnel really went to shit and it didn't matter who the DC was. No one was gonna help those players manifest a good defense.
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Post by nick030567 on May 25, 2021 9:28:33 GMT -5
I agree, it’s silly to lament Graham at this point here. The defense wasn't that good last year. To your point, it’s the talent that got better around here. Teams lose good coordinators of good defenses. That's how the process works. I certainly think it was a combo of better players, better coach and right system. I'm just not going to write us off as a loser team for when he moves on, because he will be moving on unless for some strange reason he is 100% content being the Assistant HC (which would be awesome).
I wish there was a stat out there to see how teams do after having a top tier O or D and losing their OC/DC.
Fun history discussion. We had the #1 D in 1990 with Bill Belichick here. Then he left and we were still pretty good for a few years. In 1993 we once again had the #1 D. 1993 was LTs last season in the NFL and he was playing with a rookie named Michael Strahan. Also on that D was Michael Brooks (All Pro in 1993), Jessie Armstead (rookie) and Keith Hamilton. The team had four pro bowlers that year, all four were on our 18th ranked Offense. Our #1 ranked defense didn't have a single Pro Bowler.
Wow,.interesting. who were those offensive pro bowlers? I'd guess Hampton? Then probably at least one o-lineman? Simms? Shows how unreliable the pro bowl and popular consensus can be. Obviously the defense carried the team and had some bad ass players
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Post by myronguyton on May 25, 2021 10:11:54 GMT -5
Yeah, the defense should be good. Not historically great, but good. The only reason the defense should be a focal point of discussion this season is if they are bad, and that will be disappointing to say the least.
2021 for the Giants is all about Daniel Jones and the offensive line. If both are good, this team has super bowl potential. That's a big if though.
But yes, I like what the Giants are doing with the defense. It feels like it was built for the modern era, so kudos to the front office for keeping up with the times.
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Post by IrishMike on May 25, 2021 10:58:35 GMT -5
Wow,.interesting. who were those offensive pro bowlers? I'd guess Hampton? Then probably at least one o-lineman? Simms? Shows how unreliable the pro bowl and popular consensus can be. Obviously the defense carried the team and had some bad ass players Pretty sure it was Hampton, Simms, Bart Oates and Jumbo Elliot. That 1993 D was really freaking good. Right up until they let Ricky Watters score 5 TDs against them in the playoffs and lost by 41 points (ouch).
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Post by Kase1 on May 25, 2021 12:20:15 GMT -5
Now we're talking 3rd rounders, before we were talking 3rd day pick. Big difference there Still can't wait to see the Carters and Xman on this team actually live up to the hype some of you keep claiming about them.. No need to worry if they continue to disappoint because they have a bunch of 6th rounders to pick up the slack..
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Post by Kruunch on May 25, 2021 12:25:30 GMT -5
Wow,.interesting. who were those offensive pro bowlers? I'd guess Hampton? Then probably at least one o-lineman? Simms? Shows how unreliable the pro bowl and popular consensus can be. Obviously the defense carried the team and had some bad ass players Pretty sure it was Hampton, Simms, Bart Oates and Jumbo Elliot. That 1993 D was really freaking good. Right up until they let Ricky Watters score 5 TDs against them in the playoffs and lost by 41 points (ouch). I remember that game very well. We got our doors blown off by that 49ers team. It was payback for the humiliation we gave them in ‘86. That very next Christmas, my family got me an autographed Ricky Watters card. What game was it that he autographed? You got it, that 5 touchdown game against us. I got them back though, sweaters and socks became a ritual during the holidays..
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2021 12:46:47 GMT -5
Still can't wait to see the Carters and Xman on this team actually live up to the hype some of you keep claiming about them.. No need to worry if they continue to disappoint because they have a bunch of 6th rounders to pick up the slack.. The feeling is mutual.. Well done bud..
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Post by ThatGuyRich on May 28, 2021 14:49:33 GMT -5
Just to keep my optimism going full speed this week. (Islanders just won a series from a real strong Pittsburgh team) I think our secondary is going to be one we talk about for years.
I'm counting on 7 players to prove how good a unit they are. Possibly as good as anybody in the league. The 4 Safeties Ryan, Peppers, McKinney, and Love. the 2 starting CB's Bradbury and Jackson. And the nickel Holmes. I am hopeful that someone else steps up for depth at CB.
Ojulari should help the pass rush with LW as our 2 top guys. Hopefully Dex keeps improving that would be big. If we can have a decent pass rush this secondary has just become even more dangerous to opposing offenses.
We all know the pass rush and secondaries work hand in hand in improving each other.
In the words of Bart Scott "Can't Wait".
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