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Post by jmike on May 25, 2021 11:03:07 GMT -5
Looking at the LBer roster we seem to have a lot with a chance to make the team. I figure they keep at least 8 and no more than 10. Who do you think makes it and who doesn't?
35-Brunson
41-Garrett
46-Anderson
47-Brown
48-Crowder
49-Coughlin
51-Ojulari
52-Downs
53-Ximenes
54-Martinez
55-Ragland
58-Smith
57-Lalos
59-Carter
93-Harris
44-Odenigbo (I'm not sure if the Giants are looking at him as part of the DL rotation or OLB rotation, so I included him here too. Giants roster page says DE, but he's wearing 44..sooo...IDK).
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Post by trueblueatnyc on May 25, 2021 11:39:21 GMT -5
It's an interesting group, especially on the edge.
For ILB, I think they'll have Martinez, Ragland, Crowder and Harris.
For Edge? Not sure at al outside of Ojulari and maybe Smith, since they are rookies. Outside of that, every one of the other guys I wouldn't be surprised if they make the team, or are cut.
If I had to bet, I'd go with Carter, Anderson, Ojulari, Smith, Coughlin.
Odenigbo I think they use on the DL.
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Post by jimmieray on May 25, 2021 11:44:52 GMT -5
I don't understand taking Smith as a 4th rounder, and don't expect to see him on the field anytime soon. Odenigbo can probably be considered part of the DL rotation, since they will show a 4-3 at times.
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Post by giantlegacy on May 25, 2021 11:50:49 GMT -5
It's an interesting group, especially on the edge. For ILB, I think they'll have Martinez, Ragland, Crowder and Harris. For Edge? Not sure at al outside of Ojulari and maybe Smith, since they are rookies. Outside of that, every one of the other guys I wouldn't be surprised if they make the team, or are cut. If I had to bet, I'd go with Carter, Anderson, Ojulari, Smith, Coughlin. Odenigbo I think they use on the DL. Who is Harris? And Cam Brown makes it as he is a special teams ace and showed he can play if needed (remids me a bit of Jaquan Williams) |
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Post by hadenough on May 25, 2021 12:00:58 GMT -5
Tough to choose. But, at least they know they need LBers. That’s better than the last 10 years.
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Post by Kruunch on May 25, 2021 12:15:21 GMT -5
I don't understand taking Smith as a 4th rounder, and don't expect to see him on the field anytime soon. Odenigbo can probably be considered part of the DL rotation, since they will show a 4-3 at times. What’s not to understand? Before the draft, our edge rushers were Carter, Brown, Ximines and Coughlin. Not exactly the who’s who of linebackers. I think Smith is going to be better than people think. He’s raw no doubt, but he has the measures to compete in this league. And he learned under former great Bryce Paup at Northern Iowa. We finally have some players to push the stiffs we have at linebacker. |
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Post by jimmieray on May 25, 2021 12:32:00 GMT -5
I don't understand taking Smith as a 4th rounder, and don't expect to see him on the field anytime soon. Odenigbo can probably be considered part of the DL rotation, since they will show a 4-3 at times. What’s not to understand? Before the draft, our edge rushers were Carter, Brown, Ximines and Coughlin. Not exactly the who’s who of linebackers. I think Smith is going to be better than people think. He’s raw no doubt, but he has the measures to compete in this league. And he learned under former great Bryce Paup at Northern Iowa. We finally have some players to push the stiffs we have at linebacker. I haven't seen Smith, I believe he played at a lower level school that just had no season at all. I read that he has a good first step, but doesn't play the run well, nor did he matchup well strength-wise against opposing linemen. I don't see how a player at this position can put on over 60 lbs in a few years, and have that be proportionate to useful power. |
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Post by hadenough on May 25, 2021 12:32:29 GMT -5
I like the guy Raymond Johnson they just signed. They list him as DE, but I'd like to see him at OLB. He's a pretty solid player.
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Post by Kase1 on May 25, 2021 12:34:13 GMT -5
Id say our starters would be
Olujari Martinez Ragland Carter
Ximines, Crowder, Downs, Couglin, Carter, and Anderson are back ups
I see Elerson Smith and Ifeadi Odenigbo as DL depth players
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Post by Kruunch on May 25, 2021 12:40:32 GMT -5
What’s not to understand? Before the draft, our edge rushers were Carter, Brown, Ximines and Coughlin. Not exactly the who’s who of linebackers. I think Smith is going to be better than people think. He’s raw no doubt, but he has the measures to compete in this league. And he learned under former great Bryce Paup at Northern Iowa. We finally have some players to push the stiffs we have at linebacker. I haven't seen Smith, I believe he played at a lower level school that just had no season at all. I read that he has a good first step, but doesn't play the run well, nor did he matchup well strength-wise against opposing linemen. I don't see how a player at this position can put on over 60 lbs in a few years, and have that be proportionate to useful power. That’s why he was drafted in the 4th round. He has to refine his game, and adjust to the league. Same goes for all our rookies. To think, they will just start week 1 and wreck havoc against pros. Is wishful thinking. |
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Post by McCherry on May 25, 2021 12:45:48 GMT -5
I don't understand taking Smith as a 4th rounder, and don't expect to see him on the field anytime soon. Odenigbo can probably be considered part of the DL rotation, since they will show a 4-3 at times. Scouts love him, off the charts ability, value, leadership, intelligence, everything... . Ric Serritella called him the Giants best pick of the draft. |
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Post by jimmieray on May 25, 2021 12:50:05 GMT -5
I haven't seen Smith, I believe he played at a lower level school that just had no season at all. I read that he has a good first step, but doesn't play the run well, nor did he matchup well strength-wise against opposing linemen. I don't see how a player at this position can put on over 60 lbs in a few years, and have that be proportionate to useful power. That’s why he was drafted in the 4th round. He has to refine his game, and adjust to the league. Same goes for all our rookies. To think, they will just start week 1 and wreck havoc against pros. Is wishful thinking. I think this will be a tight defense, which will have no place for a guy with so many question marks to embarrass himself upon in situations. |
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Post by jmike on May 25, 2021 12:51:54 GMT -5
It's an interesting group, especially on the edge. For ILB, I think they'll have Martinez, Ragland, Crowder and Harris. For Edge? Not sure at al outside of Ojulari and maybe Smith, since they are rookies. Outside of that, every one of the other guys I wouldn't be surprised if they make the team, or are cut. If I had to bet, I'd go with Carter, Anderson, Ojulari, Smith, Coughlin. Odenigbo I think they use on the DL. Who is Harris? And Cam Brown makes it as he is a special teams ace and showed he can play if needed (remids me a bit of Jaquan Williams) Trent Harris is an edge player they picked up last season. Signed to PS on 10/14, Active roster 10/27, waived 12/8, PS 12/9, signed for 2021 1/4. |
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Post by bluebuddha on May 25, 2021 12:53:30 GMT -5
Id say our starters would be Olujari Martinez Ragland Carter Ximines, Crowder, Downs, Couglin, Carter, and Anderson are back ups I see Elerson Smith and Ifeadi Odenigbo as DL depth players I think Ryan Anderson will be used a lot. If Cam Browm hit the weight room properly I see him in the line up also. None of the other linebackers have his length or mobility. He reminds of Jamin Davis The Redskins first round pick. He just needs to add weight and strength. |
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Post by jmike on May 25, 2021 12:53:38 GMT -5
I like the guy Raymond Johnson they just signed. They list him as DE, but I'd like to see him at OLB. He's a pretty solid player. Intriguing guy for sure, but I think he is a DL player. |
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Post by jmike on May 25, 2021 12:57:03 GMT -5
I don't understand taking Smith as a 4th rounder, and don't expect to see him on the field anytime soon. Odenigbo can probably be considered part of the DL rotation, since they will show a 4-3 at times. Scouts love him, off the charts ability, value, leadership, intelligence, everything... . Ric Serritella called him the Giants best pick of the draft. Paup gave an interview and it sounded like he felt Smith was the type that took a while to take the game seriously. Also seemed clear that he felt Smith should have played one more season. Which may have made him eligible for the supp draft. The cancellation of the season really hurt him as this was expected to be the season he put it together |
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Post by jimmieray on May 25, 2021 12:58:25 GMT -5
I don't understand taking Smith as a 4th rounder, and don't expect to see him on the field anytime soon. Odenigbo can probably be considered part of the DL rotation, since they will show a 4-3 at times. Scouts love him, off the charts ability, value, leadership, intelligence, everything... . Ric Serritella called him the Giants best pick of the draft. I'm just going by the reports that Kase posted after the draft, in addition to my questioning the extreme weight accumulation. I like our group in general, and won't be hurt to to be wrong. Maybe the future will do that. |
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Post by Kruunch on May 25, 2021 12:59:59 GMT -5
Scouts love him, off the charts ability, value, leadership, intelligence, everything... . Ric Serritella called him the Giants best pick of the draft. I'm just going by the reports that Kase posted after the draft, in addition to my questioning the extreme weight accumulation. I like our group in general, and won't be hurt to to be wrong. Maybe the future will do that. That’s your problem. You’re listening to kase. |
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Post by McCherry on May 25, 2021 13:03:32 GMT -5
Scouts love him, off the charts ability, value, leadership, intelligence, everything... . Ric Serritella called him the Giants best pick of the draft. I'm just going by the reports that Kase posted after the draft, in addition to my questioning the extreme weight accumulation. I like our group in general, and won't be hurt to to be wrong. Maybe the future will do that. He came to college as a TE. The 70 lbs of weight gain is extraordinary and is a testament to his dedication. Bryce Paup raves about him, I haven't heard a bad thing about him. |
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Post by jimmieray on May 25, 2021 13:05:05 GMT -5
I'm just going by the reports that Kase posted after the draft, in addition to my questioning the extreme weight accumulation. I like our group in general, and won't be hurt to to be wrong. Maybe the future will do that. That’s your problem. You’re listening to kase. He's a fellow L.I.er who keeps moving closer to me, and getting so domesticated too. |
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Post by GameTime on May 25, 2021 13:34:42 GMT -5
Its a decent group of players with a handful that could be really good if they develop. Whom ever makes it will certainly provide quality depth and will be used often
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Post by hadenough on May 25, 2021 14:07:48 GMT -5
I like the guy Raymond Johnson they just signed. They list him as DE, but I'd like to see him at OLB. He's a pretty solid player. Intriguing guy for sure, but I think he is a DL player. Yeah...he played DE in college. But, he's 6'3" 270. Kind of a tweener, we'll see what happens. Nice player as a free agent though. |
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Post by jmike on May 25, 2021 14:10:04 GMT -5
Intriguing guy for sure, but I think he is a DL player. Yeah...he played DE in college. But, he's 6'3" 270. Kind of a tweener, we'll see what happens. Nice player as a free agent though. Seems to me to be a guy more likely to get bigger and stronger rather than leaner and faster. |
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Post by 3days on May 25, 2021 18:50:12 GMT -5
Thanks for this post, really brings to light the depth we have in this position, that will be very important.
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Post by IrishMike on May 25, 2021 19:47:35 GMT -5
What’s not to understand? Before the draft, our edge rushers were Carter, Brown, Ximines and Coughlin. Not exactly the who’s who of linebackers. I think Smith is going to be better than people think. He’s raw no doubt, but he has the measures to compete in this league. And he learned under former great Bryce Paup at Northern Iowa. We finally have some players to push the stiffs we have at linebacker. I haven't seen Smith, I believe he played at a lower level school that just had no season at all. I read that he has a good first step, but doesn't play the run well, nor did he matchup well strength-wise against opposing linemen. I don't see how a player at this position can put on over 60 lbs in a few years, and have that be proportionate to useful power. Why on earth would he put on 60 pounds? |
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Post by Kruunch on May 25, 2021 19:57:31 GMT -5
I haven't seen Smith, I believe he played at a lower level school that just had no season at all. I read that he has a good first step, but doesn't play the run well, nor did he matchup well strength-wise against opposing linemen. I don't see how a player at this position can put on over 60 lbs in a few years, and have that be proportionate to useful power. Why on earth would he put on 60 pounds? When he arrived at Northern Iowa he was 190lbs soaking wet. With a steady diet and a whole bunch of sustanon, I mean protein he put the weight on. He was as green as can be, Bryce Paup alluded too that a simple stunt was difficult for him to adjust. With hard work and a good support system. He is now a NY Giant. I think the kid can be good. |
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Post by IrishMike on May 25, 2021 20:24:42 GMT -5
Why on earth would he put on 60 pounds? When he arrived at Northern Iowa he was 190lbs soaking wet. With a steady diet and a whole bunch of sustanon, I mean protein he put the weight on. He was as green as can be, Bryce Paup alluded too that a simple stunt was difficult for him to adjust. With hard work and a good support system. He is now a NY Giant. I think the kid can be good. Oh I thought he was saying he will put on 60 more in the NFL. I was thinking he was crazy, turns out I just can't read lol.
Bart Scott calls it "peanut butter" and Herm Edwards just says "our diet". Herm said he laughs when a big high school TE thinks he is going to stay at TE and Herm wants him to play LT "wait until you get on our diet, you'll be a LT in no time". Amazing what proper nutrition and exercise can do, why doesn't the military adopt that shit?
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Post by TEM on May 25, 2021 20:38:00 GMT -5
Blake Martinez
Azeez Ojulari
Lorenzo Carter
Carter Coughlin
Tae Crowder
Reggie Ragland
Oshane Ximines
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Post by jimmieray on May 26, 2021 6:21:52 GMT -5
When he arrived at Northern Iowa he was 190lbs soaking wet. With a steady diet and a whole bunch of sustanon, I mean protein he put the weight on. He was as green as can be, Bryce Paup alluded too that a simple stunt was difficult for him to adjust. With hard work and a good support system. He is now a NY Giant. I think the kid can be good. Oh I thought he was saying he will put on 60 more in the NFL. I was thinking he was crazy, turns out I just can't read lol.
Bart Scott calls it "peanut butter" and Herm Edwards just says "our diet". Herm said he laughs when a big high school TE thinks he is going to stay at TE and Herm wants him to play LT "wait until you get on our diet, you'll be a LT in no time". Amazing what proper nutrition and exercise can do, why doesn't the military adopt that shit?
Sorry Mike, I wasn't clear on when he put the weight on. 60 lbs sounds like an awful lot to add, and the report says he still needs to make that apply to strength. A TE gaining that much to become a more stationary blocker at Tackle seems quite a bit different than a TE gaining that much and expecting to become a pass rusher - at least to me. I don't usually jump to make assumptions on newly acquired players, nor dump on a draft decision. I think this discussion brought up some different aspects of what can be evaluated in a developing player. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on May 26, 2021 11:16:40 GMT -5
Looking at the LBer roster we seem to have a lot with a chance to make the team. I figure they keep at least 8 and no more than 10. Who do you think makes it and who doesn't? 35-Brunson 41-Garrett 46-Anderson / 47-Brown / 48-Crowder / 49-Coughlin / 51-Ojulari / 52-Downs ? 53-Ximenes / 54-Martinez / 55-Ragland 58-Smith / 57-Lalos 59-Carter / 93-Harris 44-Odenigbo / (I'm not sure if the Giants are looking at him as part of the DL rotation or OLB rotation, so I included him here too. Giants roster page says DE, but he's wearing 44..sooo...IDK). Those are my 10 maybe 11. My starters going into camp would be from left to right Carter, Martinez, Odenigbo, Ojulari. What do I know. I also remember Downs making some strong plays for us last year. That would be 11 LBers. I never remember carrying that many. OLB - Anderson, Coughlin, Ojulari, Xman, Carter, Smith (just cause he was drafted by this coaching staff). ILB - Crowder, Brown, Downs, (I'm counting him) Martinez, Odenigbo ( These 2 would be awesome vs the run ). It's why we signed Obenigbo. |
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