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Post by GameTime on May 30, 2021 10:40:16 GMT -5
which makes it so important to when a QB has time has has to make big plays. Also another reason QB need to "make time". Even if it is a split second. But the passing stats show that is more often they can't. It could be stasticaly the Coaching staff understands that, it is not obtainable enough to be be a active part of a primary aspect of a game plan . Are they going to send a post and a go route as part of their overall scheme yes. Are they using it a primary source to conduct offensive planning. The stats suggest no. It shows the low risk high % of success short passes are what OCs around the league use as their primary attack in passing. they will have long passes as a part of the arsenal for sure. It will not go away. As you said it wont be "the game plan" However if a team shows a weakness for the long ball then it will be used against them. In a play in a play out basis maybe the 3rd read in many cases.
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Post by giantlegacy on May 30, 2021 10:47:55 GMT -5
which makes it so important to when a QB has time has has to make big plays. Also another reason QB need to "make time". Even if it is a split second. But the passing stats show that is more often they can't. It could be stasticaly the Coaching staff understands that, it is not obtainable enough to be be a active part of a primary aspect of a game plan . Are they going to send a post and a go route as part of their overall scheme yes. Are they using it a primary source to conduct offensive planning. The stats suggest no. It shows the low risk high % of success short passes are what OCs around the league use as their primary attack in passing. I think what is lost in all of this is the THREAT of the deep pass that sets everything up. This isn't the 1960's AFL where it was a complete bombs away league where it was rare to see a pass under 20 yards .. Even the Chiefs,tbe poster child for a Duke Nuckem style offense maybe takes only 4 or 5 shots a game ... But the threat of this allows them to have gobs of empty space underneath to hit major chunk plays that end up looking like deep passes due to YAC yards in space on the stat sheet So I think the question here is "do we have the weaponry to be able to do this (and in multiple player formations ..either the 11 or 12) And I say if we can establish Golladay (I suspect teams already fear him enough to allow...)and especially Slayton as the other guy that will burn you if not accounted for then yes...we have a legit deep threat team in a modern offense that can exploit everything else in a lot of space... And it can be done Chiefs style (11 personal with Toney being the Tyreek Hill X factor playmaker)or Bucs style (2 deep threats in a 12 with 2 TEs that would be automatic chain moving machines with a lot of space underneath that can also run block to create numerous explosive plays in tbe running game by Barkley and his back ups (check out this guy Armstwad we picked up from Jacksonville off waivers..guy is highly explosive and really good in the passing game ) 20 plus yards is 20 plus yards whether it's air yards or a quick hitter from the slot on a quickie to a guy with sub 4.4 speed in space
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Post by giantlegacy on May 30, 2021 10:49:52 GMT -5
Even if it is a split second. But the passing stats show that is more often they can't. It could be stasticaly the Coaching staff understands that, it is not obtainable enough to be be a active part of a primary aspect of a game plan . Are they going to send a post and a go route as part of their overall scheme yes. Are they using it a primary source to conduct offensive planning. The stats suggest no. It shows the low risk high % of success short passes are what OCs around the league use as their primary attack in passing. they will have long passes as a part of the arsenal for sure. It will not go away. As you said it wont be "the game plan" However if a team shows a weakness for the long ball then it will be used against them. In a play in a play out basis maybe the 3rd read in many cases. See my post above It's the treat of the deep pass and speed all over the field that will set everything up... You won't see more that 5 deep shots a game..especially if you hit a few house calls early because teams will adjust which then opens up a ton of green inside 15 yards
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Post by TEM on May 30, 2021 10:51:11 GMT -5
Even if it is a split second. But the passing stats show that is more often they can't. It could be stasticaly the Coaching staff understands that, it is not obtainable enough to be be a active part of a primary aspect of a game plan . Are they going to send a post and a go route as part of their overall scheme yes. Are they using it a primary source to conduct offensive planning. The stats suggest no. It shows the low risk high % of success short passes are what OCs around the league use as their primary attack in passing. I think what is lost in all of this is the THREAT of the deep pass that sets everything up. This isn't the 1960's AFL where it was a complete bombs away league where it was rare to see a pass under 20 yards .. Even the Chiefs,tbe poster child for a Duke Nuckem style offense maybe takes only 4 or 5 shots a game ... But the threat of this allows them to have gobs of empty space underneath to hit major chunk plays that end up looking like deep passes due to YAC yards in space on the stat sheet So I think the question here is "do we have the weaponry to be able to do this (and in multiple player formations ..either the 11 or 12) And I say if we can establish Golladay (I suspect teams already fear him enough to allow...)and especially Slayton as the other guy that will burn you if not accounted for then yes...we have a legit deep threat team in a modern offense that can exploit everything else in a lot of space... And it can be done Chiefs style (11 personal with Toney being the Tyreek Hill X factor playmaker)or Bucs style (2 deep threats in a 12 with 2 TEs that would be automatic chain moving machines with a lot of space underneath that can also run block to create numerous explosive plays in tbe running game by Barkley and his back ups (check out this guy Armstwad we picked up from Jacksonville off waivers..guy is highly explosive and really good in the passing game ) 20 plus yards is 20 plus yards whether it's air yards or a quick hitter from the slot on a quickie to a guy with sub 4.4 speed in space Deep threat is 20 yards or more with the ball in the air. GB is most at 12% of their passing attack . Still insiginifent when you consider 88% of their passes go for less that 20 yards. You are using the Chiefs as an example. They are at about 8% of their passing game is 20+ yards in the air. They average in the high end of the league with 39 pass plays per game. Most team are less. 39 pass plays per game at 8% of their passing attack equates to 3 pass plays of 20 yards plus per game. No DC is going to game plan to stop 3 pass plays per game. If he does put resources into defeating a deep threat that is not situational but on the notion it can happen at any time. He will hamper the Defenses ability to defend against the other 92% of the pass plays of less than 20 yards. Now if he sets his cover 2 zone that has the 2 back safeties sit back to defend the deep ball. The underneath pass will be completed with impunity. Now lets get back to reality. No DC is going to worry about 3 plays per game going for a hole shot. It is statistically illogical to do that. He is going to go with the odds and set his zone according to what that offence does. It looks as if all OC's bread and butter pass plays are under 10 yards. That is what your main pass defense should be configured to defend against. A zone scheme to defend against a short passing game. Safeties inside 15 yards of the LOS. The 1 ,2,3,4,5..... method . Your best corner takes 1 and....... He is also going to configure his pass rush with scheme to get the QB dump the ball as close to 2 seconds as possible or take a sack. I do not see how 3 plays a game is going to in any way augment the DCs game plan. What I wrote about sums up with Todd Bowls did against KC in the SB. He took the short to intermediate pass away and pressured Maholmes to take the deep pass away. It is not rocket science. Any DC that is worried about the threat of a deep ball on any given play . Will lose. Deep threat is an after thought in Offensive schemes . No team attempting it more than 12% of the time . Proves it. The pass rush alone prevents it over 90% of the time.
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Post by giantlegacy on May 30, 2021 10:52:41 GMT -5
I think what is lost in all of this is the THREAT of the deep pass that sets everything up. This isn't the 1960's AFL where it was a complete bombs away league where it was rare to see a pass under 20 yards .. Even the Chiefs,tbe poster child for a Duke Nuckem style offense maybe takes only 4 or 5 shots a game ... But the threat of this allows them to have gobs of empty space underneath to hit major chunk plays that end up looking like deep passes due to YAC yards in space on the stat sheet So I think the question here is "do we have the weaponry to be able to do this (and in multiple player formations ..either the 11 or 12) And I say if we can establish Golladay (I suspect teams already fear him enough to allow...)and especially Slayton as the other guy that will burn you if not accounted for then yes...we have a legit deep threat team in a modern offense that can exploit everything else in a lot of space... And it can be done Chiefs style (11 personal with Toney being the Tyreek Hill X factor playmaker)or Bucs style (2 deep threats in a 12 with 2 TEs that would be automatic chain moving machines with a lot of space underneath that can also run block to create numerous explosive plays in tbe running game by Barkley and his back ups (check out this guy Armstwad we picked up from Jacksonville off waivers..guy is highly explosive and really good in the passing game ) 20 plus yards is 20 plus yards whether it's air yards or a quick hitter from the slot on a quickie to a guy with sub 4.4 speed in space Deep threat. That's what I meant More personal than an offense designed to be a bombs away type
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Post by McCherry on May 30, 2021 10:57:51 GMT -5
which makes it so important to when a QB has time has has to make big plays. Also another reason QB need to "make time". Even if it is a split second. But the passing stats show that is more often they can't. It could be stasticaly the Coaching staff understands that, it is not obtainable enough to be be a active part of a primary aspect of a game plan . Are they going to send a post and a go route as part of their overall scheme yes. Are they using it a primary source to conduct offensive planning. The stats suggest no. It shows the low risk high % of success short passes are what OCs around the league use as their primary attack in passing. And this is why it's important that a QB is fast and efficient with his reads. That's Jones's biggest problem to date. But I also think that had to do with Garrett's play calling. So many times it looked like the first option was a covered WR sitting 7 yards n the flat. Jones looked more comfortable processing his reads as a rookie. But Shurmur was more creative, and he got better production with significantly less talent and even worse pass pro.
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Post by TEM on May 30, 2021 13:25:15 GMT -5
That's what I meant More personal than an offense designed to be a bombs away type Re-read what I wrote. I had to deal with a family matter. that is why my response was so short.
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Post by giantlegacy on May 30, 2021 13:40:55 GMT -5
That's what I meant More personal than an offense designed to be a bombs away type Re-read what I wrote. I had to deal with a family matter. that is why my response was so short. All I'm going to say is if you don't have weapons to scare teams to have to defend the entire field in the modern NFL you will not have a good offense I have been been proven to be 100% correct by the fact the past 2 super bowl winners had deep threats on the field to force defenses to thin out which opened up the underneath (which is what Tampa did to KC when Spags went very conservative defensively and left the underneath open,and if KC stuck with the run and screen game it probably would have been a closer game because that game was wrecked by KCs line playing a bunch of backups to begin with,remember San Francisco played tbe same style against them and KC still moved it ) 100% absolute undeniable fact is that if you don't have athletic weapons at your disposal you can't win in this era,and no stat or theory can debunk this. If we had even one more on the field that was reliable last 6war we go 9-7..
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Post by TEM on May 30, 2021 13:53:32 GMT -5
Re-read what I wrote. I had to deal with a family matter. that is why my response was so short. All I'm going to say is if you don't have weapons to scare teams to have to defend the entire field in the modern NFL you will not have a good offense I have been been proven to be 100% correct by the fact the past 2 super bowl winners had deep threats on the field to force defenses to thin out which opened up the underneath (which is what Tampa did to KC when Spags went very conservative defensively and left the underneath open,and if KC stuck with the run and screen game it probably would have been a closer game because that game was wrecked by KCs line playing a bunch of backups to begin with,remember San Francisco played tbe same style against them and KC still moved it ) 100% absolute undeniable fact is that if you don't have athletic weapons at your disposal you can't win in this era,and no stat or theory can debunk this. If we had even one more on the field that was reliable last 6war we go 9-7.. Although as a fan I agree with you. I want to see the field stretched . As a numbers cruncher I see no evidence to support that conclusion. If a team has good underneath route runners that can catch the ball . It appears we do now with Shep Tony Golladay and If EE gets his head out of his A** and stops thinking and just allows his abilities to take over. Our underneath game will be a handful for a DC to deal with. Having a "deep threat" will not have any bearing if we cannot thrive in the 10 yard passing range as an offense.
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Post by giantlegacy on May 30, 2021 14:09:46 GMT -5
All I'm going to say is if you don't have weapons to scare teams to have to defend the entire field in the modern NFL you will not have a good offense I have been been proven to be 100% correct by the fact the past 2 super bowl winners had deep threats on the field to force defenses to thin out which opened up the underneath (which is what Tampa did to KC when Spags went very conservative defensively and left the underneath open,and if KC stuck with the run and screen game it probably would have been a closer game because that game was wrecked by KCs line playing a bunch of backups to begin with,remember San Francisco played tbe same style against them and KC still moved it ) 100% absolute undeniable fact is that if you don't have athletic weapons at your disposal you can't win in this era,and no stat or theory can debunk this. If we had even one more on the field that was reliable last 6war we go 9-7.. Although as a fan I agree with you. I want to see the field stretched . As a numbers cruncher I see no evidence to support that conclusion. If a team has good underneath route runners that can catch the ball . It appears we do now with Shep Tony Golladay and If EE gets his head out of his A** and stops thinking and just allows his abilities to take over. Our underneath game will be a handful for a DC to deal with. Having a "deep threat" will not have any bearing if we cannot thrive in the 10 yard passing range as an offense. I'll just agree to disagree only because I go by what I watch and how to interpret what I see witb football knowledge,as we have seen people can twist stats one way or another to support a narrative An underneath game is useless if you don't have deep threats that frighten opposing defenses and we proved this last year when teams sat on our underneath game all year
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Post by McCherry on May 30, 2021 14:20:15 GMT -5
All I'm going to say is if you don't have weapons to scare teams to have to defend the entire field in the modern NFL you will not have a good offense I have been been proven to be 100% correct by the fact the past 2 super bowl winners had deep threats on the field to force defenses to thin out which opened up the underneath (which is what Tampa did to KC when Spags went very conservative defensively and left the underneath open,and if KC stuck with the run and screen game it probably would have been a closer game because that game was wrecked by KCs line playing a bunch of backups to begin with,remember San Francisco played tbe same style against them and KC still moved it ) 100% absolute undeniable fact is that if you don't have athletic weapons at your disposal you can't win in this era,and no stat or theory can debunk this. If we had even one more on the field that was reliable last 6war we go 9-7.. Although as a fan I agree with you. I want to see the field stretched . As a numbers cruncher I see no evidence to support that conclusion. If a team has good underneath route runners that can catch the ball . It appears we do now with Shep Tony Golladay and If EE gets his head out of his A** and stops thinking and just allows his abilities to take over. Our underneath game will be a handful for a DC to deal with. Having a "deep threat" will not have any bearing if we cannot thrive in the 10 yard passing range as an offense. We'll have the ability to go deep. We'll take our shots downfield, but we'll be a ball-controlled offense that controls the clock to keep our defense off the field. That's the strength of our offensive talent and it should be more than enough for any opposing defense to handle. Jones is a career 220 yd per game passer, not a gunslinger.
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Post by TEM on May 30, 2021 14:20:42 GMT -5
Although as a fan I agree with you. I want to see the field stretched . As a numbers cruncher I see no evidence to support that conclusion. If a team has good underneath route runners that can catch the ball . It appears we do now with Shep Tony Golladay and If EE gets his head out of his A** and stops thinking and just allows his abilities to take over. Our underneath game will be a handful for a DC to deal with. Having a "deep threat" will not have any bearing if we cannot thrive in the 10 yard passing range as an offense. I'll just agree to disagree only because I go by what I watch and how to interpret what I see witb football knowledge,as we have seen people can twist stats one way or another to support a narrative An underneath game is useless if you don't have deep threats that frighten opposing defenses and we proved this last year when teams sat on our underneath game all year i agree. To say one other thing our root offensive problem was the O-line. Their lack of stable blocking had us in 3rd and long far outside the league average. If we can get some yards on 1st down . Our playbook opens up on 2nd and 3rd downs.
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Post by TEM on May 30, 2021 14:22:39 GMT -5
Although as a fan I agree with you. I want to see the field stretched . As a numbers cruncher I see no evidence to support that conclusion. If a team has good underneath route runners that can catch the ball . It appears we do now with Shep Tony Golladay and If EE gets his head out of his A** and stops thinking and just allows his abilities to take over. Our underneath game will be a handful for a DC to deal with. Having a "deep threat" will not have any bearing if we cannot thrive in the 10 yard passing range as an offense. We'll have the ability to go deep. We'll take our shots downfield, but we'll be a ball-controlled offense that controls the clock to keep our defense off the field. Jones is a career 220 yd per game passer, not a gunslinger. I agree. We could not do that last year. I hope our Offense can have at least an average TOP.
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Post by giantlegacy on May 30, 2021 16:05:25 GMT -5
Although as a fan I agree with you. I want to see the field stretched . As a numbers cruncher I see no evidence to support that conclusion. If a team has good underneath route runners that can catch the ball . It appears we do now with Shep Tony Golladay and If EE gets his head out of his A** and stops thinking and just allows his abilities to take over. Our underneath game will be a handful for a DC to deal with. Having a "deep threat" will not have any bearing if we cannot thrive in the 10 yard passing range as an offense. We'll have the ability to go deep. We'll take our shots downfield, but we'll be a ball-controlled offense that controls the clock to keep our defense off the field. That's the strength of our offensive talent and it should be more than enough for any opposing defense to handle. Jones is a career 220 yd per game passer, not a gunslinger. What you want and reality again is a vast chasm.. We didn't aquire Golladay,Toney and even a flyer on Ross to be a plodding offense.. We are now officially a contemporary modern offense that will be able to put points up quickly,have chunk plays,ect..and now have brains that are well versed in modern contemporary styles like all the air raid concepts out of RPO that we can run if given the space And the only reason Jones was a 220 yards a game career passer so far was because of last year.. He now has weapons to be where he can be tbe 4300 plus yards a year passer required for a really good modern offense along with a really good running attack that compliments the passing attack and can control a game if the defense sells out vs the pass
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Post by McCherry on May 30, 2021 18:34:42 GMT -5
We'll have the ability to go deep. We'll take our shots downfield, but we'll be a ball-controlled offense that controls the clock to keep our defense off the field. That's the strength of our offensive talent and it should be more than enough for any opposing defense to handle. Jones is a career 220 yd per game passer, not a gunslinger. What you want and reality again is a vast chasm.. We didn't aquire Golladay,Toney and even a flyer on Ross to be a plodding offense.. We are now officially a contemporary modern offense that will be able to put points up quickly,have chunk plays,ect..and now have brains that are well versed in modern contemporary styles like all the air raid concepts out of RPO that we can run if given the space And the only reason Jones was a 220 yards a game career passer so far was because of last year.. He now has weapons to be where he can be tbe 4300 plus yards a year passer required for a really good modern offense along with a really good running attack that compliments the passing attack and can control a game if the defense sells out vs the pass Jones averaged 230 yds per game in 2019 and averaged 227 yds per game in college. This offense isn't officially anything yet, we added one legit playmaker on offense and a rookie with more questions than answers. You already know I'm as big a Jones fan as there is here, but we're a 30th ranked offense with a long way to go. 4k yards isn't impossible with a 17-game schedule, but he’s got to stay healthy all year which isn't a given.
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Post by Martin on May 30, 2021 22:55:56 GMT -5
As an offense you must get both safety's to have respect for what's behind them. The corners know they have the sideline as their friend but the safety's don't they have the goal post. If the safety's can't inch up forward because they give you respect you now control the whole field IF you have the weapons and a capable QB. I would like to think that at the very least the Giants this time around have the weapons but I am not 100% sold on the QB and the Oline at this time. I do think Slayton could be a huge player in the optimistic possibilities of a dynamic offense. If it were me I would use the 12 formation big time. Randolph has great hands and runs very good routes and can block very well. Engram can stretch the field which is a dynamic complement. (provided he doesn't get the drops at critical times) But wait there's more Shepard or Toney? This is a nightmare underneath if Golladay and Slayton get respect. The running game opens up like Moses parting the red sea. Again all on paper but it's nice to dream.
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Post by giantlegacy on May 31, 2021 10:06:03 GMT -5
As an offense you must get both safety's to have respect for what's behind them. The corners know they have the sideline as their friend but the safety's don't they have the goal post. If the safety's can't inch up forward because they give you respect you now control the whole field IF you have the weapons and a capable QB. I would like to think that at the very least the Giants this time around have the weapons but I am not 100% sold on the QB and the Oline at this time. I do think Slayton could be a huge player in the optimistic possibilities of a dynamic offense. If it were me I would use the 12 formation big time. Randolph has great hands and runs very good routes and can block very well. Engram can stretch the field which is a dynamic complement. (provided he doesn't get the drops at critical times) But wait there's more Shepard or Toney? This is a nightmare underneath if Golladay and Slayton get respect. The running game opens up like Moses parting the red sea. Again all on paper but it's nice to dream. Exactly my point..its the modern way of dictating terms and imposing your will on offense.. Let's (positive thoughts)Jones takes a Mayfield/Allen year 3 step and the pass blocking is average while their run blocking improves even more.. You indeed control the field and terms. Ans I say this also playing of the 12 but instead I use Rudolph and Smith .. Play soft and like you said it's the parting of the red sea witb Barkley...they could score on the ground on less than 5 plays all on the ground and in under a minute if tbe go no huddle (like Garret likes to do ) They bring pressure Smith and Rudolf will eat green chunks as outlets And this isn't even including 11 sets with Toney or Shepard
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Post by southerner on May 31, 2021 16:16:02 GMT -5
Slayton is a very good long WR with great speed and catches the ball well in traffic....and Golliday is even better. The guy(s) that will really benefit are Shepard and Toney.....they should be wide open a lot. That is why the Giants got Kyle Rudolph because he blocks very well and doesn’t drop passes like Evan Engram. Engram is now a passing down player.....and that is only if the package does not include Toney. The result of all of this is Engram becomes an afterthought in the offense. If one of the 4 WRs are injured, he would play more though.
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Post by Martin on May 31, 2021 20:45:31 GMT -5
As an offense you must get both safety's to have respect for what's behind them. The corners know they have the sideline as their friend but the safety's don't they have the goal post. If the safety's can't inch up forward because they give you respect you now control the whole field IF you have the weapons and a capable QB. I would like to think that at the very least the Giants this time around have the weapons but I am not 100% sold on the QB and the Oline at this time. I do think Slayton could be a huge player in the optimistic possibilities of a dynamic offense. If it were me I would use the 12 formation big time. Randolph has great hands and runs very good routes and can block very well. Engram can stretch the field which is a dynamic complement. (provided he doesn't get the drops at critical times) But wait there's more Shepard or Toney? This is a nightmare underneath if Golladay and Slayton get respect. The running game opens up like Moses parting the red sea. Again all on paper but it's nice to dream. Exactly my point..its the modern way of dictating terms and imposing your will on offense.. Let's (positive thoughts)Jones takes a Mayfield/Allen year 3 step and the pass blocking is average while their run blocking improves even more.. You indeed control the field and terms. Ans I say this also playing of the 12 but instead I use Rudolph and Smith .. Play soft and like you said it's the parting of the red sea witb Barkley...they could score on the ground on less than 5 plays all on the ground and in under a minute if tbe go no huddle (like Garret likes to do ) They bring pressure Smith and Rudolf will eat green chunks as outlets And this isn't even including 11 sets with Toney or Shepard I am not 100% confident in Engram too but I am trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. But Smith works fine too. What you said about the 11 set is so important because bouncing back between the 12 and the 11 is a defensive headache. Go big motion in all of this! Yes positive thoughts for QB and Oline. Let's open up this playbook! If this kid Toney is the real deal yikes!!
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Post by Martin on May 31, 2021 20:48:33 GMT -5
Slayton is a very good long WR with great speed and catches the ball well in traffic....and Golliday is even better. The guy(s) that will really benefit are Shepard and Toney.....they should be wide open a lot. That is why the Giants got Kyle Rudolph because he blocks very well and doesn’t drop passes like Evan Engram. Engram is now a passing down player.....and that is only if the package does not include Toney. The result of all of this is Engram becomes an afterthought in the offense. If one of the 4 WRs are injured, he would play more though. No doubt the weapons are over flowing.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 31, 2021 21:27:58 GMT -5
Re-read what I wrote. I had to deal with a family matter. that is why my response was so short. All I'm going to say is if you don't have weapons to scare teams to have to defend the entire field in the modern NFL you will not have a good offense I have been been proven to be 100% correct by the fact the past 2 super bowl winners had deep threats on the field to force defenses to thin out which opened up the underneath (which is what Tampa did to KC when Spags went very conservative defensively and left the underneath open,and if KC stuck with the run and screen game it probably would have been a closer game because that game was wrecked by KCs line playing a bunch of backups to begin with,remember San Francisco played tbe same style against them and KC still moved it ) 100% absolute undeniable fact is that if you don't have athletic weapons at your disposal you can't win in this era,and no stat or theory can debunk this. If we had even one more on the field that was reliable last 6war we go 9-7.. With Slayton Toney and Ross on the roster teams will have a lot to think about that speed has to be respected wether it is 1/2 or all three of them one mistake and these guys can hurt a defense quick, wether it is 2yard slant or 7 yard angle route or a 20 yard post they could force teams to cover every inch of grass.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 31, 2021 21:34:36 GMT -5
As an offense you must get both safety's to have respect for what's behind them. The corners know they have the sideline as their friend but the safety's don't they have the goal post. If the safety's can't inch up forward because they give you respect you now control the whole field IF you have the weapons and a capable QB. I would like to think that at the very least the Giants this time around have the weapons but I am not 100% sold on the QB and the Oline at this time. I do think Slayton could be a huge player in the optimistic possibilities of a dynamic offense. If it were me I would use the 12 formation big time. Randolph has great hands and runs very good routes and can block very well. Engram can stretch the field which is a dynamic complement. (provided he doesn't get the drops at critical times) But wait there's more Shepard or Toney? This is a nightmare underneath if Golladay and Slayton get respect. The running game opens up like Moses parting the red sea. Again all on paper but it's nice to dream. Exactly my point..its the modern way of dictating terms and imposing your will on offense.. Let's (positive thoughts)Jones takes a Mayfield/Allen year 3 step and the pass blocking is average while their run blocking improves even more.. You indeed control the field and terms. Ans I say this also playing of the 12 but instead I use Rudolph and Smith .. Play soft and like you said it's the parting of the red sea witb Barkley...they could score on the ground on less than 5 plays all on the ground and in under a minute if tbe go no huddle (like Garret likes to do ) They bring pressure Smith and Rudolf will eat green chunks as outlets And this isn't even including 11 sets with Toney or Shepard Exactly I think we are all forgetting about EE also even tho he is a drop machine he needs to be respected by a defense they sleep on him and he will hurt them they should ba able to create space for their burners to find room to roam.
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