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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 13:39:43 GMT -5
And Jones isn't going to get hurt?? He's 2 for 2 just saying.. so is mahomes...it’s the nature of the position, especially guys that use their legs more often. Not every QB can be Eli What does this have to do with Jones being better then Hurts because Hurts is going to get injured?
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Post by McCherry on Jun 1, 2021 13:44:00 GMT -5
I like Fitz, nice guy... Starting QB? That's pretty funny. Jalen Hurts, 6 TD, 4 INT 52% completion percentage... How exactly did he surpass Jones in his 5 minutes as a starting QB? According to this logic you might as well just say Jones is the worst QB in football. Well, its about the same amount of "analysis". We only know about two of these guy sand based on all we know, one is better and one might be but it's hard to say. Prescott Jones/Fitz HurtsI think that's fair. Although if Jones isn't better than Fitz we all might as well find something better to do this Fall. Prescott is a way ahead of the rest.
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Post by Nick6475 on Jun 1, 2021 13:45:57 GMT -5
You guys are missing the point of that show. It is designed to have an argument and throw out "hot takes" to get people to watch. I wouldn't be surprised if their opinions were handed to them before each show and told to get louder and louder as the argument moves on.
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Post by idkaname on Jun 1, 2021 13:46:12 GMT -5
so is mahomes...it’s the nature of the position, especially guys that use their legs more often. Not every QB can be Eli What does this have to do with Jones being better then Hurts because Hurts is going to get injured? nothing, I didn’t say anything about that. Just saying according to your logic mahomes will be hurt again as well
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Post by Delicreep on Jun 1, 2021 13:53:16 GMT -5
Ill be honenst, I couldn't think of the QB for the Redskins. I forgot Fitzmagic is now there. So, Dak Fitz Hurts Jones Id say right about now, he probably isnt wrong. I see nothing other than mediocre from Jalen Hurts. He's played 4 games and I can't think of any aspect of his game that is exceptional. To me his upside is between a mediocre starter and a decent back up.
Equivalent........Seneca Wallace.
There is really only one established starting QB in the division. So Dak is head and shoulders better than anyone else in the division. Obviously Jones is the biggest uncertainty. He is in a "prove it" season. He's obviously not done that yet.
So I would say...
1. Dak
Then a huge gap....
2. Fitz 3. Jones 4. Hurts.
I'm not sure I'm gonna put a huge gap between Dak and Fitz, but I think I would put a good size gap between Fitz and Jones.
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Post by McCherry on Jun 1, 2021 14:06:29 GMT -5
I see nothing other than mediocre from Jalen Hurts. He's played 4 games and I can't think of any aspect of his game that is exceptional. To me his upside is between a mediocre starter and a decent back up.
Equivalent........Seneca Wallace.
There is really only one established starting QB in the division. So Dak is head and shoulders better than anyone else in the division. Obviously Jones is the biggest uncertainty. He is in a "prove it" season. He's obviously not done that yet.
So I would say...
1. Dak
Then a huge gap....
2. Fitz 3. Jones 4. Hurts.
I'm not sure I'm gonna put a huge gap between Dak and Fitz, but I think I would put a good size gap between Fitz and Jones. If Jones isn’t a better QB than a career backup, the future is hopeless. I don’t know if Jones is a franchise QB yet, but I know Fitz isn’t.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 14:09:13 GMT -5
What does this have to do with Jones being better then Hurts because Hurts is going to get injured? nothing, I didn’t say anything about that. Just saying according to your logic mahomes will be hurt again as well That's much better than claiming a player who hasn't been injured but will now be getting injured.. This is fun!!
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Post by Delicreep on Jun 1, 2021 14:41:44 GMT -5
I'm not sure I'm gonna put a huge gap between Dak and Fitz, but I think I would put a good size gap between Fitz and Jones. If Jones isn’t a better QB than a career backup, the future is hopeless. I don’t know if Jones is a franchise QB yet, but I know Fitz isn’t. Right now...today, I would trust Fitz to not do something to cost us a game more than Jones, and I would give him the edge in doing what is need win a game. And that's a statement about Jones.
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Post by idkaname on Jun 1, 2021 14:55:02 GMT -5
If Jones isn’t a better QB than a career backup, the future is hopeless. I don’t know if Jones is a franchise QB yet, but I know Fitz isn’t. Right now...today, I would trust Fitz to not do something to cost us a game more than Jones, and I would give him the edge in doing what is need win a game. And that's a statement about Jones. an ironic statement....”After throwing his third interception of an ugly afternoon, Ryan Fitzpatrick was benched in favor of Jameis Winston in the middle of the third quarter of the Buccaneers' loss to the Giants on Sunday. New York led 24-7 at the time of his benching, a score that included seven points off a pick-six of Fitzpatrick” When you get benched for Winston, you’re clearly a turnover machine
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Post by idkaname on Jun 1, 2021 14:56:02 GMT -5
nothing, I didn’t say anything about that. Just saying according to your logic mahomes will be hurt again as well That's much better than claiming a player who hasn't been injured but will now be getting injured.. This is fun!! not even quite sure what you’re saying/where you’re going with it ? At least you can amuse yourself, no harm there
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Post by idkaname on Jun 1, 2021 15:00:08 GMT -5
I'm not sure I'm gonna put a huge gap between Dak and Fitz, but I think I would put a good size gap between Fitz and Jones. If Jones isn’t a better QB than a career backup, the future is hopeless. I don’t know if Jones is a franchise QB yet, but I know Fitz isn’t. it’s funny, people really can’t shed recency bias...the suckers vegas loves. IMo Fitzpatrick is so up and down cuz he knows he’s a backup so he just throws 50/50 balls instead of checkdowns...sometimes it works out, most other times it’s the reason he’s been a career backup. Not the worst guy to have as your starter, unless you like consistency and winning.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 15:00:47 GMT -5
That's much better than claiming a player who hasn't been injured but will now be getting injured.. This is fun!! not even quite sure what you’re saying/where you’re going with it ? At least you can amuse yourself, no harm there It's better humor when others provide it like you have.. Thanks for that!!
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Post by idkaname on Jun 1, 2021 15:02:16 GMT -5
not even quite sure what you’re saying/where you’re going with it ? At least you can amuse yourself, no harm there It's better humor when others provide it like you have.. Thanks for that!! works for me *takes a bow*
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Post by imgrate on Jun 1, 2021 15:08:32 GMT -5
If Jones isn’t a better QB than a career backup, the future is hopeless. I don’t know if Jones is a franchise QB yet, but I know Fitz isn’t. it’s funny, people really can’t shed recency bias...the suckers vegas loves. IMo Fitzpatrick is so up and down cuz he knows he’s a backup so he just throws 50/50 balls instead of checkdowns...sometimes it works out, most other times it’s the reason he’s been a career backup. Not the worst guy to have as your starter, unless you like consistency and winning. If DJ plays the same as he did last year, then he'll be out of the league in less than 5 years.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 15:12:37 GMT -5
it’s funny, people really can’t shed recency bias...the suckers vegas loves. IMo Fitzpatrick is so up and down cuz he knows he’s a backup so he just throws 50/50 balls instead of checkdowns...sometimes it works out, most other times it’s the reason he’s been a career backup. Not the worst guy to have as your starter, unless you like consistency and winning. If DJ plays the same as he did last year, then he'll be out of the league in less than 5 years. This fan base is all over the place since there are some here who believe that Jones improved last year.. LOL
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Post by idkaname on Jun 1, 2021 15:22:03 GMT -5
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Post by idkaname on Jun 1, 2021 15:23:17 GMT -5
If DJ plays the same as he did last year, then he'll be out of the league in less than 5 years. This fan base is all over the place since there are some here who believe that Jones improved last year.. LOL at least we’re more consistent than our QB play the last couple decades
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Post by southerner on Jun 1, 2021 15:24:33 GMT -5
At worst, Jones is second behind Dak. Hurts runs around, and is a poor passer. The Eagles will suck and they know it and are preparing to draft a real QB in the 2022 draft. Fitz will have 4 to 6 great games, and suck in the rest. Fitz will be out as starter by week 11.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 15:25:14 GMT -5
This fan base is all over the place since there are some here who believe that Jones improved last year.. LOL at least we’re more consistent than our QB play the last couple decades 3,2,1.. Here come the Eli fans.. It was a roller coaster with him!
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jun 1, 2021 16:04:31 GMT -5
I hate both Kellerman and Stephen A. don't watch ESPN any more. Used to like Mike and Mike a lot.
But with that said I don't think anyone can argue with what Stephen A. said. Dak is head and shoulders the best, we all know that. The other 3 you can shake up and throw the dice. There isn't one of them that a team can count on to win a big game. Fitz over the years has shown you some guts and has won on that alone.
Jones has shown maybe 3-4 games he can hang his hat on in 2 years. His turnovers are gut wrenching. Hurts has had a cup of coffee so far in the NFL. He has Smith to throw to this year but after that he takes off and runs.
I would play a strong safety at LBer vs him and he would be Hurts shadow all game. Say Peppers at LBer and McKinney at safety.
Until Jones proves himself this season he could very well be the weakest QB in the division.
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Post by ocgiant on Jun 1, 2021 16:35:16 GMT -5
Got a better take/analysis on Jones here than Stephen A. did that whole segment. Point being he did not even answer the questions which was will DJ will have "his" best season yet? Which, I believe he will and perform to the level he is expected to. I could care less about the other QBs in the NFC East
I am certainly rooting for DJ; not sure why anyone would not be at this point?
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 1, 2021 16:37:47 GMT -5
Right now...today, I would trust Fitz to not do something to cost us a game more than Jones, and I would give him the edge in doing what is need win a game. And that's a statement about Jones. an ironic statement....”After throwing his third interception of an ugly afternoon, Ryan Fitzpatrick was benched in favor of Jameis Winston in the middle of the third quarter of the Buccaneers' loss to the Giants on Sunday. New York led 24-7 at the time of his benching, a score that included seven points off a pick-six of Fitzpatrick” When you get benched for Winston, you’re clearly a turnover machine We know what Fitz is. He can be great one day and lousy the next. In the end, he's a had a pretty nice career and he's a great leader. But he is what he is. Look at his stats...they are pretty "Eli-like".
Jones has yet to show what he is. He's had two seasons and generally we usually have a good idea about a QB after his second season. He was very marginal last year so we are giving him another season. Well he was the 6th player taken in the draft so he gets that. If he was a 5th rounder we would have probably drafted another QB in 2021.
Jones has a chance to show he's a competent NFL QB, but this is his last chance. He can't be rated higher than Fitz because he hasn't done a thing yet in the NFL.
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Post by McCherry on Jun 1, 2021 17:06:54 GMT -5
an ironic statement....”After throwing his third interception of an ugly afternoon, Ryan Fitzpatrick was benched in favor of Jameis Winston in the middle of the third quarter of the Buccaneers' loss to the Giants on Sunday. New York led 24-7 at the time of his benching, a score that included seven points off a pick-six of Fitzpatrick” When you get benched for Winston, you’re clearly a turnover machine We know what Fitz is. He can be great one day and lousy the next. In the end, he's a had a pretty nice career and he's a great leader. But he is what he is. Look at his stats...they are pretty "Eli-like".
Jones has yet to show what he is. He's had two seasons and generally we usually have a good idea about a QB after his second season. He was very marginal last year so we are giving him another season. Well he was the 6th player taken in the draft so he gets that. If he was a 5th rounder we would have probably drafted another QB in 2021.
Jones has a chance to show he's a competent NFL QB, but this is his last chance. He can't be rated higher than Fitz because he hasn't done a thing yet in the NFL.
What has Fitz done in the NFL? The guy's on his 7th team.
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Post by robl on Jun 1, 2021 17:25:00 GMT -5
Stephen A: It was racist for the Giants to take Jones over Haskins. I don't think he analyses QBs very well.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 1, 2021 17:25:15 GMT -5
Things change very fast in the NFL including Steven A's opinion. We've seen Prescott in the playoffs, and we've seen Fitzpatrick when the playoffs are on the line. We haven't seen Jones yet, in this type situation. Last year he did his job last game against Dallas got the win and also first game against Philly dropped a TD on EE not his fault but that last game was a playoff game.
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Post by Nick6475 on Jun 1, 2021 17:27:28 GMT -5
We know what Fitz is. He can be great one day and lousy the next. In the end, he's a had a pretty nice career and he's a great leader. But he is what he is. Look at his stats...they are pretty "Eli-like".
Jones has yet to show what he is. He's had two seasons and generally we usually have a good idea about a QB after his second season. He was very marginal last year so we are giving him another season. Well he was the 6th player taken in the draft so he gets that. If he was a 5th rounder we would have probably drafted another QB in 2021.
Jones has a chance to show he's a competent NFL QB, but this is his last chance. He can't be rated higher than Fitz because he hasn't done a thing yet in the NFL.
What has Fitz done in the NFL? The guy's on his 7th team. Beat a team with a winning record.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 1, 2021 17:28:54 GMT -5
Ill be honenst, I couldn't think of the QB for the Redskins. I forgot Fitzmagic is now there. So, Dak Fitz Hurts Jones Id say right about now, he probably isnt wrong. LOL Hurts body of work has told the whole story, Fitz maybe for a game he might better then Jones sometimes he is better then every QB in the league for a day. Really.
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Post by McCherry on Jun 1, 2021 17:32:16 GMT -5
What has Fitz done in the NFL? The guy's on his 7th team. Beat a team with a winning record. Pretty remarkable accomplishment for a 16-year vet.
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 1, 2021 18:03:32 GMT -5
We know what Fitz is. He can be great one day and lousy the next. In the end, he's a had a pretty nice career and he's a great leader. But he is what he is. Look at his stats...they are pretty "Eli-like".
Jones has yet to show what he is. He's had two seasons and generally we usually have a good idea about a QB after his second season. He was very marginal last year so we are giving him another season. Well he was the 6th player taken in the draft so he gets that. If he was a 5th rounder we would have probably drafted another QB in 2021.
Jones has a chance to show he's a competent NFL QB, but this is his last chance. He can't be rated higher than Fitz because he hasn't done a thing yet in the NFL.
What has Fitz done in the NFL? The guy's on his 7th team. He's done what he's done. He's thrown for 34,000 yards and 200+ TD's. He's almost always on bad teams. This is his chance to be on an otherwise good team. All he has to do is be a good leader and a good game manager. Given his career, I think it fits him well.
I guess I would say the most profound thing he's done is be a pretty fun guy in the league who can occasionally make some plays.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 18:38:57 GMT -5
Can't wait to start my "You can all suck it.....AGAIN" thread.
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