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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 25, 2021 7:40:52 GMT -5
Some credible folks believe in him, some guys that never scouted or played have a lot to say negative. I will see what he does on the field He was a QB first and can chuck it supposedly 70 in the air. from what I read when he had the right cleats he was impossible to cover from the slot we will see there is talent too and he is tough. He reminds me of Antwaan Randle El. An elusive player who also played quarterback in College. I’m sure the Giants will use Toney like the Steelers used Randle El. Put him in motion, use him in the slot, and have him in the backfield as well. The goal for Garrett and the Giants is to put him on a mismatch. His route running is not up to speed, so to negate that, use his speed to his advantage. Exactly they can find ways to get him in favorable match ups while he is learning if he is smart that is debatable, he would be Sheperds shadow and learn all he can from the young vet.
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Post by devilsadvocate on Jun 25, 2021 8:00:51 GMT -5
I didn't watch him in college as I usually avoid Florida games but I am also reluctant to make a conclusion based on a highlight video on youtube. While the extra curricular activities may be warning signs it is too early to tell. The dude raps, so what?
I honestly think that once the Eagles jumped ahead to grab Smith, the Giants were caught flatfooted and didn't have sufficient scouting on the next level of WRs. Before the draft they were a lock to get Waddle or Smith. I love the trade to move down to pick up the extra 1 next year. What they did with this pick though is questionable. This guy was at Florida 4 years and only had one impactful year. There were other more polished receivers available not to mention impact players who could improve the line potentially right away vs a WR 3 or WR4.
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Post by TCHOF on Jun 25, 2021 8:27:37 GMT -5
I honestly think that once the Eagles jumped ahead to grab Smith, the Giants were caught flatfooted and didn't have sufficient scouting on the next level of WRs. Before the draft they were a lock to get Waddle or Smith That was proven false at and during the draft. They showed the draft board with the exact scenario that took place. Link?
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Post by TCHOF on Jun 25, 2021 8:30:00 GMT -5
I didn't watch him in college as I usually avoid Florida games but I am also reluctant to make a conclusion based on a highlight video on youtube. While the extra curricular activities may be warning signs it is too early to tell. The dude raps, so what? I honestly think that once the Eagles jumped ahead to grab Smith, the Giants were caught flatfooted and didn't have sufficient scouting on the next level of WRs. Before the draft they were a lock to get Waddle or Smith. I love the trade to move down to pick up the extra 1 next year. What they did with this pick though is questionable. This guy was at Florida 4 years and only had one impactful year. There were other more polished receivers available not to mention impact players who could improve the line potentially right away vs a WR 3 or WR4. Disagree that the Giants were caught flat-footed. They immediately pivoted to a trade-back and picked up extra draft capital. One of the best moves made by Gettleman as GM.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2021 9:18:52 GMT -5
I didn't watch him in college as I usually avoid Florida games but I am also reluctant to make a conclusion based on a highlight video on youtube. While the extra curricular activities may be warning signs it is too early to tell. The dude raps, so what? I honestly think that once the Eagles jumped ahead to grab Smith, the Giants were caught flatfooted and didn't have sufficient scouting on the next level of WRs. Before the draft they were a lock to get Waddle or Smith. I love the trade to move down to pick up the extra 1 next year. What they did with this pick though is questionable. This guy was at Florida 4 years and only had one impactful year. There were other more polished receivers available not to mention impact players who could improve the line potentially right away vs a WR 3 or WR4. Giants were not caught flatfooted...this was actually quite an easy draft to be ready for. You had 3 WR's, a TE, 2 OL, 2 corners and...QB's. Take off Parsons and the character concerns, and only so many combinations for the password at 11. The Giants had Slater, Vera-Tucker and as we all know, lower graded wide outs, and edge rushers. They were offered picks next year to drop into that range...not only not flat footed, but the best prepared, and executed draft Gettleman had by far. They even continued that in the 2nd round, the value of players left on their board suggested another trade back...prepared and executed.
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Post by Nite on Jun 25, 2021 9:38:05 GMT -5
Dude....thats cute
Well the picks we got with the trade was good, but I really don't know if he is serious about being a NFL player..The knucklehead quotient is high with this one..I'm just worried that Getty has blown ANOTHER 1rd rd pick KNucklehead + a potential project....ugh
Getty has been pretty solid in the draft his 1 through 3 s are solid he has found guys later in Slayton Crowder Gates maybe Lemieux also. Baker was innocent the Giants were between a rock and a hard place with him and the jury is still out on Jones. Toney probably has been doing his music for years if thats his side gig so be it he has tape that says he can be really good and he passed the Judge/ Pettit test lets give him chance. Don't think he is used to be mugged on social media because he has a life out side of football, thats life for a first rounder in the biggest media market in the world he better learn nothing is above scrutiny. I wouldn't characterize the first rd picks in his tenure as solid. We have
Barkley - Great first year, 2nd year the NFL figured him out he became average then got injured. Date of return is unknown
Jones - Good 1st year for a rookie, 2nd year NFL figured him out and his play fell off a cliff. His issues has been discussed elsewhere..
Toney - R U kidding me? He just won the lottery in life and getting paid millions to play football and his focus is on your music career? Plus gun issues and other issues which will bubble up..
You can screw up later rounds on 'projects' and gadgetry and the like...but ya gotta hit on your first couple to field a decent team...
Umm remind me again, what his record as GM?
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Post by snyder55 on Jun 25, 2021 9:38:53 GMT -5
sports writers change their opinion with the weather, what ever draws attention is what they are after and not necessarily the facts. At this point I think we should all defer to the people in the Giants organization who do this job for a living...
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Post by snyder55 on Jun 25, 2021 9:41:57 GMT -5
This author should win the wet blanket award. I don’t know about anyone else. But, I’m tired of talking about the kid. If it’s not his Milli Vanilli impersonation, or his lack of understanding the English language. It’s time we see what he can do on the football field. I'm at the point where I don't care if he can spell his name right as long as he can get open and catch the ball...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2021 9:43:08 GMT -5
I honestly think that once the Eagles jumped ahead to grab Smith, the Giants were caught flatfooted and didn't have sufficient scouting on the next level of WRs. Before the draft they were a lock to get Waddle or Smith That was proven false at and during the draft. They showed the draft board with the exact scenario that took place.Link? I have not seen the draft board with that exact scenario that took place. So, the Giants expected the Cowboys to trade with the Eagles?...and we have a draft board with the exact scenario that took place? Yeah, I need to see the link to this to believe it.....I'm sure you can provide a link that shows the Giant draft board with the exact scenario that took place.
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Post by snyder55 on Jun 25, 2021 9:49:28 GMT -5
I didn't watch him in college as I usually avoid Florida games but I am also reluctant to make a conclusion based on a highlight video on youtube. While the extra curricular activities may be warning signs it is too early to tell. The dude raps, so what? I honestly think that once the Eagles jumped ahead to grab Smith, the Giants were caught flatfooted and didn't have sufficient scouting on the next level of WRs. Before the draft they were a lock to get Waddle or Smith. I love the trade to move down to pick up the extra 1 next year. What they did with this pick though is questionable. This guy was at Florida 4 years and only had one impactful year. There were other more polished receivers available not to mention impact players who could improve the line potentially right away vs a WR 3 or WR4. any team that gets caught flatfooted in the draft deserves what they get for not having a solid plan B..
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Post by GameTime on Jun 25, 2021 9:50:01 GMT -5
I didn't watch him in college as I usually avoid Florida games but I am also reluctant to make a conclusion based on a highlight video on youtube. While the extra curricular activities may be warning signs it is too early to tell. The dude raps, so what? I honestly think that once the Eagles jumped ahead to grab Smith, the Giants were caught flatfooted and didn't have sufficient scouting on the next level of WRs. Before the draft they were a lock to get Waddle or Smith. I love the trade to move down to pick up the extra 1 next year. What they did with this pick though is questionable. This guy was at Florida 4 years and only had one impactful year. There were other more polished receivers available not to mention impact players who could improve the line potentially right away vs a WR 3 or WR4. there is no way the NYGs did not have Toney ranked on their board. They may have been surprised by the Smith steal by Philthy but they have their board set and players value ranked.
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Post by SG88 on Jun 25, 2021 9:50:36 GMT -5
Gotta love it when players are written off in the middle of June.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 25, 2021 9:58:05 GMT -5
Getty has been pretty solid in the draft his 1 through 3 s are solid he has found guys later in Slayton Crowder Gates maybe Lemieux also. Baker was innocent the Giants were between a rock and a hard place with him and the jury is still out on Jones. Toney probably has been doing his music for years if thats his side gig so be it he has tape that says he can be really good and he passed the Judge/ Pettit test lets give him chance. Don't think he is used to be mugged on social media because he has a life out side of football, thats life for a first rounder in the biggest media market in the world he better learn nothing is above scrutiny. I wouldn't characterize the first rd picks in his tenure as solid. We have
Barkley - Great first year, 2nd year the NFL figured him out he became average then got injured. Date of return is unknown
Jones - Good 1st year for a rookie, 2nd year NFL figured him out and his play fell off a cliff. His issues has been discussed elsewhere..
Toney - R U kidding me? He just won the lottery in life and getting paid millions to play football and his focus is on your music career? Plus gun issues and other issues which will bubble up..
You can screw up later rounds on 'projects' and gadgetry and the like...but ya gotta hit on your first couple to field a decent team...
Umm remind me again, what his record as GM?
1400 yards 6 TDs in 13 games 2nd year dead wrong on that one Barkely came back 5 weeks early from a 8week injury his second year was something 29 or 30 other teams would sign up for . Toney we don't know even if he busted which no one thinks he will they got another pick next year. I didn't know you were one of the magic wand guys just wave it and in 3 and had years 10 years of bad drafts lousy cap management goes away. contrary to what people think the longer you screw the pooch the longer it takes to recover. The team didn't become bottom 3 in 2013 because of what they did in 2012 draft that happened because of what they did from 2009 on and ended in end of 2017 mercifully. NFL didn't figure Jones out they figured out the Giants had 1 dependable pass catcher in Sheperdand could single cover all of them including EE.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 25, 2021 10:00:41 GMT -5
I didn't watch him in college as I usually avoid Florida games but I am also reluctant to make a conclusion based on a highlight video on youtube. While the extra curricular activities may be warning signs it is too early to tell. The dude raps, so what? I honestly think that once the Eagles jumped ahead to grab Smith, the Giants were caught flatfooted and didn't have sufficient scouting on the next level of WRs. Before the draft they were a lock to get Waddle or Smith. I love the trade to move down to pick up the extra 1 next year. What they did with this pick though is questionable. This guy was at Florida 4 years and only had one impactful year. There were other more polished receivers available not to mention impact players who could improve the line potentially right away vs a WR 3 or WR4. Disagree that the Giants were caught flat-footed. They immediately pivoted to a trade-back and picked up extra draft capital. One of the best moves made by Gettleman as GM. Exactly right they had a plan the rumor was out there Philly might try to even get higher then that. This is the best move this GM has ever made here or Carolina hope if he is here he gets used to it.
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Post by devilsadvocate on Jun 25, 2021 10:01:49 GMT -5
I didn't watch him in college as I usually avoid Florida games but I am also reluctant to make a conclusion based on a highlight video on youtube. While the extra curricular activities may be warning signs it is too early to tell. The dude raps, so what? I honestly think that once the Eagles jumped ahead to grab Smith, the Giants were caught flatfooted and didn't have sufficient scouting on the next level of WRs. Before the draft they were a lock to get Waddle or Smith. I love the trade to move down to pick up the extra 1 next year. What they did with this pick though is questionable. This guy was at Florida 4 years and only had one impactful year. There were other more polished receivers available not to mention impact players who could improve the line potentially right away vs a WR 3 or WR4. Disagree that the Giants were caught flat-footed. They immediately pivoted to a trade-back and picked up extra draft capital. One of the best moves made by Gettleman as GM. Read my post. Flat footed or not, my post has three main points: (1) I don't think the giants had sufficient scouting on the next tier of WRs, (2) I loved the trade down and (3) I thought the pick they did use could have been used in a different area. Time will tell who is correct on my point #1 and if the Bateman or Moore (s) are more successful but there are a lot of factors that influence that judgment including system, opportunity, quality of the qb etc. I have no inside info just a hunch based on who they picked. On #2 we agree On #3 I still to this day feel that at that range of the first round would Darrisaw or Paye for example provide more of an impact on the field than Toney? We'll never know the answer to this one as it is firmly in the fantasy land of what ifs.
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Post by Nite on Jun 25, 2021 10:06:21 GMT -5
I wouldn't characterize the first rd picks in his tenure as solid. We have
Barkley - Great first year, 2nd year the NFL figured him out he became average then got injured. Date of return is unknown
Jones - Good 1st year for a rookie, 2nd year NFL figured him out and his play fell off a cliff. His issues has been discussed elsewhere..
Toney - R U kidding me? He just won the lottery in life and getting paid millions to play football and his focus is on your music career? Plus gun issues and other issues which will bubble up..
You can screw up later rounds on 'projects' and gadgetry and the like...but ya gotta hit on your first couple to field a decent team...
Umm remind me again, what his record as GM?
1400 yards 6 TDs in 13 games 2nd year dead wrong on that one Barkely came back 5 weeks early from a 8week injury his second year was something 29 or 30 other teams would sign up for . Toney we don't know even if he busted which no one thinks he will they got another pick next year. I didn't know you were one of the magic wand guys just wave it and in 3 and had years 10 years of bad drafts lousy cap management goes away. contrary to what people think the longer you screw the pooch the longer it takes to recover. The team didn't become bottom 3 in 2013 because of what they did in 2012 draft that happened because of what they did from 2009 on and ended in end of 2017 mercifully. NFL didn't figure Jones out they figured out the Giants had 1 dependable pass catcher in Sheperdand could single cover all of them including EE. Averaging 5 wins in the last 3 years tells me that Getty stinks as a GM. The first few rounds are critical because those are the guys that usually form the foundation of your team. Other teams come from a similar place and are in the playoffs now.. Like Cleveland and Buffalo You are not addressing what I am saying
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 25, 2021 10:06:36 GMT -5
Gotta love it when players are written off in the middle of June. I agree he isn't used to being under the magnifying glass of the NY media, Judge will mentor him about it I'm sure. If he is used right he can hurt a defense in a lot of different ways even with his arm it is reported he has a canon. Think before criticizing give the kid a chance Shep is still a really good slot he can learn and grow behind him to start. he isn't a top 10 or 15 pick he will have some growing to do but they can scheme him up to his strengths.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 25, 2021 10:10:50 GMT -5
1400 yards 6 TDs in 13 games 2nd year dead wrong on that one Barkely came back 5 weeks early from a 8week injury his second year was something 29 or 30 other teams would sign up for . Toney we don't know even if he busted which no one thinks he will they got another pick next year. I didn't know you were one of the magic wand guys just wave it and in 3 and had years 10 years of bad drafts lousy cap management goes away. contrary to what people think the longer you screw the pooch the longer it takes to recover. The team didn't become bottom 3 in 2013 because of what they did in 2012 draft that happened because of what they did from 2009 on and ended in end of 2017 mercifully. NFL didn't figure Jones out they figured out the Giants had 1 dependable pass catcher in Sheperdand could single cover all of them including EE. Averaging 5 wins in the last 3 years tells me that Getty stinks as a GM. The first few rounds are critical because those are the guys that usually form the foundation of your team. Other teams come from a similar place and are in the playoffs now.. Like Cleveland and Buffalo You are not addressing what I am saying Buffalo and Cleveland have been building for years to get to this point at least 20 for Cleveland and 10 or more for Buffalo they are entering year 4 of this front office. there is no magic wand sorry you get 7 picks like everyone else unless you make some trades and or as they have done work the comp pics.
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Post by Nite on Jun 25, 2021 10:16:28 GMT -5
Averaging 5 wins in the last 3 years tells me that Getty stinks as a GM. The first few rounds are critical because those are the guys that usually form the foundation of your team. Other teams come from a similar place and are in the playoffs now.. Like Cleveland and Buffalo You are not addressing what I am saying Buffalo and Cleveland have been building for years to get to this point at least 20 for Cleveland and 10 or more for Buffalo they are entering year 4 of this front office. there is no magic wand sorry you get 7 picks like everyone else unless you make some trades and or as they have done work the comp pics. Does the Giants scouting department have magic wands? Apparently theirs is malfunctioning
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 25, 2021 10:25:32 GMT -5
Buffalo and Cleveland have been building for years to get to this point at least 20 for Cleveland and 10 or more for Buffalo they are entering year 4 of this front office. there is no magic wand sorry you get 7 picks like everyone else unless you make some trades and or as they have done work the comp pics. Does the Giants scouting department have magic wands? Apparently theirs is malfunctioning I think they are fine they have drafted a lot of talent and the Franchise and team are much better then it was in 2017. If they don't win this year then all bets are off but on paper they are better even last year they were sans a couple EE drops they are 7-9 or 8-8
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Post by Kruunch on Jun 25, 2021 10:26:16 GMT -5
Gotta love it when players are written off in the middle of June. The author said no such thing. Did you actually read the article? And for the record.. No one has written off the kid. His intelligence is in question for good reason. Everything else is at a wait and see approach.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2021 10:28:08 GMT -5
Averaging 5 wins in the last 3 years tells me that Getty stinks as a GM. The first few rounds are critical because those are the guys that usually form the foundation of your team. Other teams come from a similar place and are in the playoffs now.. Like Cleveland and Buffalo You are not addressing what I am saying Buffalo and Cleveland have been building for years to get to this point at least 20 for Cleveland and 10 or more for Buffalo they are entering year 4 of this front office. there is no magic wand sorry you get 7 picks like everyone else unless you make some trades and or as they have done work the comp pics. The Giants have been REAL bad for over 10 years minus one outlier bought season so why can't it also be claimed the Giants have been selecting near the top of the draft and rebuilding just as long as these other teams you are making this claim for??
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Post by McCherry on Jun 25, 2021 10:37:20 GMT -5
What is success? A gadget player is a project, especially for a guy taken in the first round. The other WR's taken in the first will be starting week 1. Toney will Most likely be the 4th receiver. Do I really have to define success? Someplace between ODB and Slayton.
Gadget players are guys that are only used in unique ways. He isn't Taysom Hill. This kid can line up as a WR and be successful. His route running isn't great, it's also not horrible. His ability for YAC is incredible though. He can have success doing simple things while they refine his game/technique.
You're acting like he can't play WR, which is wrong.
I was excited about the pick. But I don’t disagree with anything in the article, besides it being a little sensationalized. Kid’s got a load of talent, but he’s raw. If you’re not a sharp route runner, you’re a project. I’m ok with that. He’ll make plays this year, but I don’t think he’ll be hugely productive, I’m ok with that too. A player doesn’t have to be all-pro in their rookie season.
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Post by Kruunch on Jun 25, 2021 10:45:47 GMT -5
Do I really have to define success? Someplace between ODB and Slayton.
Gadget players are guys that are only used in unique ways. He isn't Taysom Hill. This kid can line up as a WR and be successful. His route running isn't great, it's also not horrible. His ability for YAC is incredible though. He can have success doing simple things while they refine his game/technique.
You're acting like he can't play WR, which is wrong.
I was excited about the pick. But I don’t disagree with anything in the article, besides it being a little sensationalized. Kid’s got a load of talent, but he’s raw. If you’re not a sharp route runner, you’re a project. I’m ok with that. He’ll make plays this year, but I don’t think he’ll be hugely productive, I’m ok with that too. A player doesn’t have to be all-pro in their rookie season. Route running at this level is pivotal for all receivers. He’s not DeSean Jackson who is the fastest player on the field on a weekly basis. The Giants can use him in bubble screens, and slants. At some point he will have to get better at his route running. Anyone who thinks he can get by on athleticism alone has no idea about this game. Those guys who play across him, get paid a lot of money and they’re just as fast as he is. Toney’s success will be in part to how the Giants utilize him. And how he adjusts to the speed and physicality of the NFL.
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Post by McCherry on Jun 25, 2021 10:53:51 GMT -5
Uhh Oh... j/k But it does beg the question; Did Getty and co have a plan in case our first choice (D Smith) was not available? I don't think they did as the choices available for WR were better (Moore, Bateman). Beyond the other stuff it appears that his route running skills may need some polishing. He is being describe as a gadget type player...Ok pick for your 3rd or even a late rd 2 but for your 1st you have to have a nearly finished product that is ready to roll day 1 IMO
I have read 2 stories recently about how impressed the Texans brass and players are with Nico Collins. They are overjoyed. His speed - size - hands - route tree combination has turned heads. His character is also first class. He’ll be game ready day 1. Of course we passed on him for a huge ? at the WR position. I definitely preferred Marshall or Collins instead. We could’ve gotten our receiver and another impact player in round 1. Toney might have a higher upside, but he also has a higher risk factor. I have no doubt those other guys will have great careers, Toney is like a 50/50 shot in my mind.
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Post by imgrate on Jun 25, 2021 10:58:48 GMT -5
Disagree that the Giants were caught flat-footed. They immediately pivoted to a trade-back and picked up extra draft capital. One of the best moves made by Gettleman as GM. Read my post. Flat footed or not, my post has three main points: (1) I don't think the giants had sufficient scouting on the next tier of WRs, (2) I loved the trade down and (3) I thought the pick they did use could have been used in a different area. Time will tell who is correct on my point #1 and if the Bateman or Moore (s) are more successful but there are a lot of factors that influence that judgment including system, opportunity, quality of the qb etc. I have no inside info just a hunch based on who they picked. On #2 we agree On #3 I still to this day feel that at that range of the first round would Darrisaw or Paye for example provide more of an impact on the field than Toney? We'll never know the answer to this one as it is firmly in the fantasy land of what ifs. Two other teams, Packers and Jags, publicly mentioned they were hoping for Toney, and teams pretty much never divulge information like that. So we couldn't have been that bad at scouting.
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Post by Dezzr on Jun 25, 2021 10:59:48 GMT -5
Im not worried about that at all. If what he's saying is true, Toney will learn and his speed will make up for the "rawness" of his route running.
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Post by ocgiant on Jun 25, 2021 11:49:52 GMT -5
KT no doubt is under the microscope especially around here but this is a talent that needs to be on the field, being a first round pick
For me, it's time to sit back and see what he can/cannot do in training camp given his skill set
Then the Coaches will know where to best use him in games
Trusting he is all about football at this point forward of course
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Post by giantlegacy on Jun 25, 2021 12:42:58 GMT -5
He isn't a project, but he isn't a typical outside WR. He will be lined up all over the field to try to get his hands on the ball in open space, a lot of times on Jet Sweeps, WR Screens or something behind the LOS. Play maker, but limited capability. He will be fun to watch if his head is on straight. It's funny. For years people, especially on here, have complained about the Giants being way too old school and not with the modern times. What you just described is the picture perfect modern WR. The guy that lines up all over, gets the ball on jet sweeps and screens and hand offs ect. A guy our coaches can get creative with. Now people complain lmao.
I agree with everyone saying the kid isn't a project. He is inexperienced for sure. This is for me what gets me excited. He has not even scratched the surface of what he can be with proper coaching and time.
Bingo (something as you have seen I've been preaching for years ) It's obvious this was the type of dynamic playmaker we were looking for in the draft and zeroed in on a few (Waddle I think was the target and Smith the smokescreen ) We got our big bodied outside guy in FA..we have a prototypical take the top off guy opposite him Toney fits the modern X factor playmaker hole He doesn't have to be a 100% finished product this year to be part of a highly explosive offense this year especially if the line takes the next stsp,Golladay is pre 2020 Golladay and Slayton his near his ceiling (.a 65- 75 catch 1000 yard type year)and Barkley regains 95% of his form) What we are seeing is again the segment of this fan base that refuses to accept the game has changed and hates the fact we are moving further and further from the goober style of offense that could work back when they fit into their Z Cavarichis,had enough hair for a nice mullet and listened to New Kids on the Block, Looking for any excuse to hate this kid and pick
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Post by giantlegacy on Jun 25, 2021 12:50:33 GMT -5
I didn't watch him in college as I usually avoid Florida games but I am also reluctant to make a conclusion based on a highlight video on youtube. While the extra curricular activities may be warning signs it is too early to tell. The dude raps, so what? I honestly think that once the Eagles jumped ahead to grab Smith, the Giants were caught flatfooted and didn't have sufficient scouting on the next level of WRs. Before the draft they were a lock to get Waddle or Smith. I love the trade to move down to pick up the extra 1 next year. What they did with this pick though is questionable. This guy was at Florida 4 years and only had one impactful year. There were other more polished receivers available not to mention impact players who could improve the line potentially right away vs a WR 3 or WR4. Giants were not caught flatfooted...this was actually quite an easy draft to be ready for. You had 3 WR's, a TE, 2 OL, 2 corners and...QB's. Take off Parsons and the character concerns, and only so many combinations for the password at 11. The Giants had Slater, Vera-Tucker and as we all know, lower graded wide outs, and edge rushers. They were offered picks next year to drop into that range...not only not flat footed, but the best prepared, and executed draft Gettleman had by far. They even continued that in the 2nd round, the value of players left on their board suggested another trade back...prepared and executed. I actually think they were trading back even if Smith fell to us And I'll repeat it seems Waddle was the guy they really wanted and the type of playmaker they were looking for because the one player many compared to Waddle was Toney ... If they were going to just take the best reciever on ths board regardless of type it would have been Bateman,which would have been really redundant with Golladay and Slayton as projected starters As of June 25th 2021 they played the draft as good as you can He'll it looked like one of our drafts we would make with how well they played the board
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