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Post by Nite on Jun 24, 2021 17:28:45 GMT -5
Uhh Oh...
j/k
But it does beg the question; Did Getty and co have a plan in case our first choice (D Smith) was not available? I don't think they did as the choices available for WR were better (Moore, Bateman). Beyond the other stuff it appears that his route running skills may need some polishing. He is being describe as a gadget type player...Ok pick for your 3rd or even a late rd 2 but for your 1st you have to have a nearly finished product that is ready to roll day 1 IMO
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jun 24, 2021 17:58:13 GMT -5
Let's see him play a down first.
I'm pulling for him....
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Post by Nick6475 on Jun 24, 2021 18:04:32 GMT -5
The fact that this guy is more of a project than a standard WR like Moore or Bateman is way more of a concern to me than the rap career. But this was not some secret before the draft so I have to imagine the Giants drafted him with a purpose in mind and hopefully it works out. Maybe he is the JPP of WRs.
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Post by GameTime on Jun 24, 2021 19:07:34 GMT -5
he's not a project player at all. He is bonafide play maker period.
he has started off like a dope with his bling and BS but his talent on the field is obvious.
Way more than a gadget player.
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Post by 3days on Jun 24, 2021 19:18:08 GMT -5
He is quick, great hands, with good top end speed and very tough. Needs refinement and no reason to assume he won’t live up to the place he was picked.
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Post by jb456 on Jun 24, 2021 19:19:02 GMT -5
he's not a project player at all. He is bonafide play maker period. he has started off like a dope with his bling and BS but his talent on the field is obvious. Way more than a gadget player. I've never heard that Toney was a project. People are going off the rails now. Toney had a rough start to his career based on his perceived lack of dedication and poor communication on social media. Let's see what the kid can do on the field before we call bust.
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Post by GameTime on Jun 24, 2021 19:25:34 GMT -5
he's not a project player at all. He is bonafide play maker period. he has started off like a dope with his bling and BS but his talent on the field is obvious. Way more than a gadget player. I've never heard that Toney was a project. People are going off the rails now. Toney had a rough start to his career based on his perceived lack of dedication and poor communication on social media. Let's see what the kid can do on the field before we call bust. I didnt read that either prior. As a matter of fact the Giants were praised up and down for the trade back AND getting Toney. Now he's a project, potential bust, poor route runner and only a gadget player.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jun 24, 2021 19:50:58 GMT -5
he's not a project player at all. He is bonafide play maker period. he has started off like a dope with his bling and BS but his talent on the field is obvious. Way more than a gadget player. I've never heard that Toney was a project. People are going off the rails now. Toney had a rough start to his career based on his perceived lack of dedication and poor communication on social media. Let's see what the kid can do on the field before we call bust. He isn't a project, but he isn't a typical outside WR. He will be lined up all over the field to try to get his hands on the ball in open space, a lot of times on Jet Sweeps, WR Screens or something behind the LOS. Play maker, but limited capability. He will be fun to watch if his head is on straight.
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Post by Kruunch on Jun 24, 2021 20:30:05 GMT -5
This author should win the wet blanket award. I don’t know about anyone else. But, I’m tired of talking about the kid. If it’s not his Milli Vanilli impersonation, or his lack of understanding the English language. It’s time we see what he can do on the football field.
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Post by McCherry on Jun 24, 2021 20:37:03 GMT -5
He’s is definitely a project, the guy played one full season in college.. Raw, unpolished, a weak route runner. Far behind the other receivers in the first round. This is not a day one starter in the NFL. Anyone who thought different didn’t read the bio.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 24, 2021 20:52:08 GMT -5
Uhh Oh...
j/k
But it does beg the question; Did Getty and co have a plan in case our first choice (D Smith) was not available? I don't think they did as the choices available for WR were better (Moore, Bateman). Beyond the other stuff it appears that his route running skills may need some polishing. He is being describe as a gadget type player...Ok pick for your 3rd or even a late rd 2 but for your 1st you have to have a nearly finished product that is ready to roll day 1 IMO
Dude really they got 1st and 4 th next year and a 5th this year, when someone credible has something to say we should listen Jim Naggy believes big time in this kid none him since high school, He might be a knuckle head but he is talented .
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Post by IrishMike on Jun 24, 2021 20:55:25 GMT -5
He isn't a project, but he isn't a typical outside WR. He will be lined up all over the field to try to get his hands on the ball in open space, a lot of times on Jet Sweeps, WR Screens or something behind the LOS. Play maker, but limited capability. He will be fun to watch if his head is on straight. It's funny. For years people, especially on here, have complained about the Giants being way too old school and not with the modern times. What you just described is the picture perfect modern WR. The guy that lines up all over, gets the ball on jet sweeps and screens and hand offs ect. A guy our coaches can get creative with. Now people complain lmao.
I agree with everyone saying the kid isn't a project. He is inexperienced for sure. This is for me what gets me excited. He has not even scratched the surface of what he can be with proper coaching and time.
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Post by IrishMike on Jun 24, 2021 20:57:37 GMT -5
He’s is definitely a project, the guy played one full season in college.. Raw, unpolished, a weak route runner. Far behind the other receivers in the first round. This is not a day one starter in the NFL. Anyone who thought different didn’t read his draft bio. Being a project and being inexperienced are very different things. You can run this kid out there right now and he will find success. You can't do that day one with a project.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 24, 2021 20:57:37 GMT -5
This author should win the wet blanket award. I don’t know about anyone else. But, I’m tired of talking about the kid. If it’s not his Milli Vanilli impersonation, or his lack of understanding the English language. It’s time we see what he can do on the football field. Some credible folks believe in him, some guys that never scouted or played have a lot to say negative. I will see what he does on the field He was a QB first and can chuck it supposedly 70 in the air. from what I read when he had the right cleats he was impossible to cover from the slot we will see there is talent too and he is tough.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 24, 2021 20:59:24 GMT -5
He isn't a project, but he isn't a typical outside WR. He will be lined up all over the field to try to get his hands on the ball in open space, a lot of times on Jet Sweeps, WR Screens or something behind the LOS. Play maker, but limited capability. He will be fun to watch if his head is on straight. It's funny. For years people, especially on here, have complained about the Giants being way too old school and not with the modern times. What you just described is the picture perfect modern WR. The guy that lines up all over, gets the ball on jet sweeps and screens and hand offs ect. A guy our coaches can get creative with. Now people complain lmao.
I agree with everyone saying the kid isn't a project. He is inexperienced for sure. This is for me what gets me excited. He has not even scratched the surface of what he can be with proper coaching and time.
Don't forget he can throw it to, he has a pretty good WR coach in Tolbert.
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Post by DJones19 on Jun 24, 2021 21:30:48 GMT -5
He’s is definitely a project, the guy played one full season in college.. Raw, unpolished, a weak route runner. Far behind the other receivers in the first round. This is not a day one starter in the NFL. Anyone who thought different didn’t read his draft bio. I was surprised that we picked him over Bateman. I see the upside, just hope it works out because I ran out of patience years ago
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Post by Kruunch on Jun 24, 2021 21:31:40 GMT -5
This author should win the wet blanket award. I don’t know about anyone else. But, I’m tired of talking about the kid. If it’s not his Milli Vanilli impersonation, or his lack of understanding the English language. It’s time we see what he can do on the football field. Some credible folks believe in him, some guys that never scouted or played have a lot to say negative. I will see what he does on the field He was a QB first and can chuck it supposedly 70 in the air. from what I read when he had the right cleats he was impossible to cover from the slot we will see there is talent too and he is tough. He reminds me of Antwaan Randle El. An elusive player who also played quarterback in College. I’m sure the Giants will use Toney like the Steelers used Randle El. Put him in motion, use him in the slot, and have him in the backfield as well. The goal for Garrett and the Giants is to put him on a mismatch. His route running is not up to speed, so to negate that, use his speed to his advantage.
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Post by piddy283 on Jun 24, 2021 21:44:51 GMT -5
Uhh Oh...
j/k
But it does beg the question; Did Getty and co have a plan in case our first choice (D Smith) was not available? I don't think they did as the choices available for WR were better (Moore, Bateman). Beyond the other stuff it appears that his route running skills may need some polishing. He is being describe as a gadget type player...Ok pick for your 3rd or even a late rd 2 but for your 1st you have to have a nearly finished product that is ready to roll day 1 IMO
We traded 9 spots and got a 1st and 4th next year. If that was off the cuff, "Getty" made a hell of a move.
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Post by Nite on Jun 24, 2021 22:12:13 GMT -5
Uhh Oh...
j/k
But it does beg the question; Did Getty and co have a plan in case our first choice (D Smith) was not available? I don't think they did as the choices available for WR were better (Moore, Bateman). Beyond the other stuff it appears that his route running skills may need some polishing. He is being describe as a gadget type player...Ok pick for your 3rd or even a late rd 2 but for your 1st you have to have a nearly finished product that is ready to roll day 1 IMO
Dude really they got 1st and 4 th next year and a 5th this year, when someone credible has something to say we should listen Jim Naggy believes big time in this kid none him since high school, He might be a knuckle head but he is talented . Dude....thats cute
Well the picks we got with the trade was good, but I really don't know if he is serious about being a NFL player..The knucklehead quotient is high with this one..I'm just worried that Getty has blown ANOTHER 1rd rd pick KNucklehead + a potential project....ugh
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Post by Nite on Jun 24, 2021 22:17:04 GMT -5
Uhh Oh...
j/k
But it does beg the question; Did Getty and co have a plan in case our first choice (D Smith) was not available? I don't think they did as the choices available for WR were better (Moore, Bateman). Beyond the other stuff it appears that his route running skills may need some polishing. He is being describe as a gadget type player...Ok pick for your 3rd or even a late rd 2 but for your 1st you have to have a nearly finished product that is ready to roll day 1 IMO
We traded 9 spots and got a 1st and 4th next year. If that was off the cuff, "Getty" made a hell of a move. I like the trade but we still need someone who can pick collegians who can be pros in the NFL. Don't have faith that Getty can
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Post by McCherry on Jun 24, 2021 22:33:24 GMT -5
He’s is definitely a project, the guy played one full season in college.. Raw, unpolished, a weak route runner. Far behind the other receivers in the first round. This is not a day one starter in the NFL. Anyone who thought different didn’t read his draft bio. Being a project and being inexperienced are very different things. You can run this kid out there right now and he will find success. You can't do that day one with a project. What is success? A gadget player is a project, especially for a guy taken in the first round. The other WR's taken in the first will be starting week 1. Toney will Most likely be the 4th receiver.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jun 25, 2021 4:34:01 GMT -5
Being a project and being inexperienced are very different things. You can run this kid out there right now and he will find success. You can't do that day one with a project. What is success? A gadget player is a project, especially for a guy taken in the first round. The other WR's taken in the first will be starting week 1. Toney will Most likely be the 4th receiver. A gadget player is not a project automatically. Being a gadget player had nothing to do with being a project. Being a project is trying to force a square peg in a round hole, like lining Evan Engram inside to be a traditional TE. Something he didn't do in college and isn't good at. If they use Toney they way I described, that's not being a project. That's where he will excel. If they try using him like a Kenny Golladay type WR, which I hope they wont and doubt they will, then that is a project.
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Post by IrishMike on Jun 25, 2021 5:07:17 GMT -5
Being a project and being inexperienced are very different things. You can run this kid out there right now and he will find success. You can't do that day one with a project. What is success? A gadget player is a project, especially for a guy taken in the first round. The other WR's taken in the first will be starting week 1. Toney will Most likely be the 4th receiver. Do I really have to define success? Someplace between ODB and Slayton.
Gadget players are guys that are only used in unique ways. He isn't Taysom Hill. This kid can line up as a WR and be successful. His route running isn't great, it's also not horrible. His ability for YAC is incredible though. He can have success doing simple things while they refine his game/technique.
You're acting like he can't play WR, which is wrong.
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Post by GameTime on Jun 25, 2021 5:09:26 GMT -5
Being a project and being inexperienced are very different things. You can run this kid out there right now and he will find success. You can't do that day one with a project. What is success? A gadget player is a project, especially for a guy taken in the first round. The other WR's taken in the first will be starting week 1. Toney will Most likely be the 4th receiver. he isnt "just" a gadget player though. You automatically know they other WRs will be starting week 1 except for KT? Wow....whats next lottery numbers? Now the NYGs 1st round pick is a 4th WR? Look I am annoyed at his NFL start so far but the kid will be a great WR if his priorities are straight.
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Post by IrishMike on Jun 25, 2021 5:09:49 GMT -5
What is success? A gadget player is a project, especially for a guy taken in the first round. The other WR's taken in the first will be starting week 1. Toney will Most likely be the 4th receiver. I'd like to add. While I disagree with you, kudos to you for actually talking football about this kid.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2021 6:27:09 GMT -5
Fans don't know he's is raw and needs to learn the route tree?? He wasn't who I was hoping for which makes 3 out of the 1st 4 Getty picks that I didn't like at the spot they were selected..
I do love how he breaks tackles and cuts out of breaks so now it's time to see if he can learn the offense and become a complete weapon..
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Post by Roswell on Jun 25, 2021 6:42:59 GMT -5
The trade brought Toney, who could be their next Meggett, long overdue, a first rounder from a decent team that will eventually be using a rookie QB, and a 4th round pick.
Almost every rookie that comes to the NFL is raw on some level.
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Post by bavarobeast on Jun 25, 2021 6:55:41 GMT -5
Uhh Oh...
j/k
But it does beg the question; Did Getty and co have a plan in case our first choice (D Smith) was not available? I don't think they did as the choices available for WR were better (Moore, Bateman). Beyond the other stuff it appears that his route running skills may need some polishing. He is being describe as a gadget type player...Ok pick for your 3rd or even a late rd 2 but for your 1st you have to have a nearly finished product that is ready to roll day 1 IMO
I have read 2 stories recently about how impressed the Texans brass and players are with Nico Collins. They are overjoyed. His speed - size - hands - route tree combination has turned heads. His character is also first class. He’ll be game ready day 1. Of course we passed on him for a huge ? at the WR position.
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Post by GameTime on Jun 25, 2021 7:17:51 GMT -5
Uhh Oh...
j/k
But it does beg the question; Did Getty and co have a plan in case our first choice (D Smith) was not available? I don't think they did as the choices available for WR were better (Moore, Bateman). Beyond the other stuff it appears that his route running skills may need some polishing. He is being describe as a gadget type player...Ok pick for your 3rd or even a late rd 2 but for your 1st you have to have a nearly finished product that is ready to roll day 1 IMO
I have read 2 stories recently about how impressed the Texans brass and players are with Nico Collins. They are overjoyed. His speed - size - hands - route tree combination has turned heads. His character is also first class. He’ll be game ready day 1. Of course we passed on him for a huge ? at the WR position. June 25th and already other teams WRs are better than Toney..... I get the frustratuon with Toney's BS and it bothers me too but lets all get a grip
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 25, 2021 7:37:34 GMT -5
Dude really they got 1st and 4 th next year and a 5th this year, when someone credible has something to say we should listen Jim Naggy believes big time in this kid none him since high school, He might be a knuckle head but he is talented . Dude....thats cute
Well the picks we got with the trade was good, but I really don't know if he is serious about being a NFL player..The knucklehead quotient is high with this one..I'm just worried that Getty has blown ANOTHER 1rd rd pick KNucklehead + a potential project....ugh
Getty has been pretty solid in the draft his 1 through 3 s are solid he has found guys later in Slayton Crowder Gates maybe Lemieux also. Baker was innocent the Giants were between a rock and a hard place with him and the jury is still out on Jones. Toney probably has been doing his music for years if thats his side gig so be it he has tape that says he can be really good and he passed the Judge/ Pettit test lets give him chance. Don't think he is used to be mugged on social media because he has a life out side of football, thats life for a first rounder in the biggest media market in the world he better learn nothing is above scrutiny.
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