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Post by McCherry on Jul 10, 2021 11:02:19 GMT -5
Our run game will be determined by the performance of our O line.
We ran for more yards last year without Saquan than we did in either of the two previous seasons with him.
Yeah... because of Daniel Jones. Not the RBs. I think DJ was pretty close to the leading rusher on the team and it wasnt because of a running back by committee thing. The runningbacks were terrible last year.Plus, Shurmur called the plays during SB's first two years. How many times did we ask ourselves "why are they not running the ball with saquon?" Shurmur was great at the pass game...didnt do Jack for the run. That was all SB. None of this is correct. Gallman had more than twice the carries than anyone on the roster and matched Barkley's career YPC last year. |
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 10, 2021 11:54:35 GMT -5
Hmmm we've never had this discussion before.
I wish we took Josh Rosen. He was the right pick at the time.
Oh boy, after the Cardinals, Miami, TB practice squad now in SF he may be relegated to a back up role for the rest of his career. I agree. Sadly that is who many people here wanted. My #2 behind Saquon was Nelson but so many people said "you don't take a guard at #2". Oh well. Saquon is super talented and if he can stay healthy will be worth the pick IMO. Let's see if he can stay healthy. |
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 10, 2021 11:57:09 GMT -5
Yeah... because of Daniel Jones. Not the RBs. I think DJ was pretty close to the leading rusher on the team and it wasnt because of a running back by committee thing. The runningbacks were terrible last year.Plus, Shurmur called the plays during SB's first two years. How many times did we ask ourselves "why are they not running the ball with saquon?" Shurmur was great at the pass game...didnt do Jack for the run. That was all SB. None of this is correct. Gallman had more than twice the carries than anyone on the roster and matched Barkley's career YPC last year. To be fair our run blocking last year was on point. They opened holes way bigger than anything they did for Barkley. For two years Barkley was almost dead last in the league in yards before first contact. He was getting hit 1-2 yards behind the LOS. Gallman had huge holes (not a knock on Gallman). Lemiuex was a very good run blocker, Hernandez always did better run blocking, Thomas coming out of college was a much better run blocker than pass blocker. If Barkley gets the holes Gallman got and plays 17 games he will lead the league in rushing. |
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 10, 2021 12:06:37 GMT -5
That's not unusual at all at 8 months.
It's playing NFL football that's the trick with ACL recovery.
It's been a successful rehab by every report. I don't see him missing any games at this point. The biggest concern with Barkley is he's shown to be injury prone, and you wonder what the next injury will be. You may or may not be right. But I wouldn't base anything on a video he released. I'm sure his recovery is going as expected.
Whether or not he'll be 100% for game 1 is still very much up in the air. Nothing we know now can inform us at all regarding that.
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Post by moecoastie on Jul 10, 2021 12:17:14 GMT -5
Yeah... because of Daniel Jones. Not the RBs. I think DJ was pretty close to the leading rusher on the team and it wasnt because of a running back by committee thing. The runningbacks were terrible last year.Plus, Shurmur called the plays during SB's first two years. How many times did we ask ourselves "why are they not running the ball with saquon?" Shurmur was great at the pass game...didnt do Jack for the run. That was all SB. None of this is correct. Gallman had more than twice the carries than anyone on the roster and matched Barkley's career YPC last year. Daniel jonea lead the team in rushing half way through yhe season. I noticed you cited attempts...how bout you look at the yards. Gallman gained under 800 yards the entire season, DJ had almost 500 and was injured. Yeah...gallman sucks. |
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Post by McCherry on Jul 10, 2021 12:18:44 GMT -5
It's been a successful rehab by every report. I don't see him missing any games at this point. The biggest concern with Barkley is he's shown to be injury prone, and you wonder what the next injury will be. You may or may not be right. But I wouldn't base anything on a video he released. I'm sure his recovery is going as expected.
Whether or not he'll be 100% for game 1 is still very much up in the air. Nothing we know now can inform us at all regarding that.
You can guarantee he won't. He'll be limited in camp, probably won't play at all in preseason. But I'm sure he'll get some snaps in week 1 to shake some rust off. |
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 10, 2021 12:23:44 GMT -5
You may or may not be right. But I wouldn't base anything on a video he released. I'm sure his recovery is going as expected.
Whether or not he'll be 100% for game 1 is still very much up in the air. Nothing we know now can inform us at all regarding that.
You can guarantee he won't. He'll be limited in camp, probably won't play at all in preseason. But I'm sure he'll get some snaps in week 1 to shake some rust off. You certainly could be right. But I just saying that video is irrelevant. We have no idea if he's ahead, behind or on schedule right now. |
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 10, 2021 13:32:42 GMT -5
I wasn’t aware of all the surgeons we have here. Wish I knew about this years ago, I have a bad shoulder that needs fixing. What could go wrong asking a fellow board member to fix an important body part?
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Post by ocgiant on Jul 10, 2021 14:31:46 GMT -5
I wasn’t aware of all the surgeons we have here. Wish I knew about this years ago, I have a bad shoulder that needs fixing. What could go wrong asking a fellow board member to fix an important body part? I'll post all the waiver forms you'll need to fill out & sign, before assigning one of the many specialists from the MB, LOL |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 10, 2021 15:40:13 GMT -5
I fear you might be correct. SQB himself just said today on Dan Patrick that he hasn't even discussed when he'll be able to play or even his training table. I was hoping to platoon him maybe the first month or so and let him go as the season went on. but I'm not even sure if this idea of mine is gonna happen. Our run game without SQB is below average at best and non existent at worse. Below average for sure imo. This timetable is very worrisome. Week 1 is one thing but week 8 is devastating. I don't know what this timeline is based on, but I don't see it taking until week 8. His rehab is going better than expected and I would guess that by week 4 at the Saints, Barkley will be back to his usual 87% snaps. Oh Boy , Do I hope your right MC. |
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Post by McCherry on Jul 10, 2021 15:42:30 GMT -5
I don't know what this timeline is based on, but I don't see it taking until week 8. His rehab is going better than expected and I would guess that by week 4 at the Saints, Barkley will be back to his usual 87% snaps. Oh Boy , Do I hope your right MC. I mean, missing half the season would be a worst case scenario that probably included several setbacks. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 10, 2021 15:43:39 GMT -5
This is a make or break year for Jones, Barkley, hell....the entire Giants team. He should be suited up and ready to go Game one. That's what we want. The question as of today is that realistic ? |
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Post by McCherry on Jul 10, 2021 16:17:53 GMT -5
I wasn’t aware of all the surgeons we have here. Wish I knew about this years ago, I have a bad shoulder that needs fixing. What could go wrong asking a fellow board member to fix an important body part? Weren't you grumbling last week on the DeCastro thread about the fans right to make an opinion? |
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Post by bluebuddha on Jul 10, 2021 18:51:31 GMT -5
Our run game will be determined by the performance of our O line.
We ran for more yards last year without Saquan than we did in either of the two previous seasons with him.
Yeah...because of Daniel Jones. Not the RBs. I think DJ was pretty close to the leading rusher on the team and it wasnt because of a running back by committee thing. The runningbacks were terrible last year. Plus, Shurmur called the plays during SB's first two years. How many times did we ask ourselves "why are they not running the ball with saquon?" Shurmur was great at the pass game...didnt do Jack for the run. That was all SB. Correct if you take out Jones rushing stats. The Rbs put together in 2020 ran for 1207 yds and caught for 300 yards. Saquon the previous year ran for 1007 yds and caught for 438 yds . Add in the other 2019 rbs and you are at 1270 yards 550 yards recieving. Still missing about 400 yards of offense with Barkley out. |
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 10, 2021 18:51:52 GMT -5
None of this is correct. Gallman had more than twice the carries than anyone on the roster and matched Barkley's career YPC last year. To be fair our run blocking last year was on point. They opened holes way bigger than anything they did for Barkley. For two years Barkley was almost dead last in the league in yards before first contact. He was getting hit 1-2 yards behind the LOS. Gallman had huge holes (not a knock on Gallman). Lemiuex was a very good run blocker, Hernandez always did better run blocking, Thomas coming out of college was a much better run blocker than pass blocker. If Barkley gets the holes Gallman got and plays 17 games he will lead the league in rushing. +100 |
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 10, 2021 18:56:32 GMT -5
I wasn’t aware of all the surgeons we have here. Wish I knew about this years ago, I have a bad shoulder that needs fixing. What could go wrong asking a fellow board member to fix an important body part? There's probably not many NFL professionals here, but we discuss and opine about football. And politics, and a dozen other topics where none of us are known experts.. Why cant we talk about injury recovery times? |
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Post by Fletch842 on Jul 10, 2021 19:25:14 GMT -5
I wasn’t aware of all the surgeons we have here. Wish I knew about this years ago, I have a bad shoulder that needs fixing. What could go wrong asking a fellow board member to fix an important body part? There's probably not many NFL professionals here, but we discuss and opine about football. And politics, and a dozen other topics where none of us are known experts.. Why cant we talk about injury recovery times? it's only allowed if you slept at a holliday inn express last night...  |
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 10, 2021 19:33:02 GMT -5
I wasn’t aware of all the surgeons we have here. Wish I knew about this years ago, I have a bad shoulder that needs fixing. What could go wrong asking a fellow board member to fix an important body part? Weren't you grumbling last week on the DeCastro thread about the fans right to make an opinion? Two completely different things. The DeCastro thread became a pissing contest of who read the article and who did not. It was so ridiculous, that someone had to call it out. This thread is opinions that are stated as facts. Unless you and anyone else has an expertise in the study of the human anatomy. It’s all guessing. |
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 10, 2021 19:38:12 GMT -5
I wasn’t aware of all the surgeons we have here. Wish I knew about this years ago, I have a bad shoulder that needs fixing. What could go wrong asking a fellow board member to fix an important body part? There's probably not many NFL professionals here, but we discuss and opine about football. And politics, and a dozen other topics where none of us are known experts.. Why cant we talk about injury recovery times? Probably because no one knows for certain. Talking about the game, and making opinions about politics is one thing. Stating a players severity of his injury and the time table of his recovery is another. From all accounts, Barkley will be ready to go by week 1. It’s based off nothing. But, then again. What is? |
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 10, 2021 19:46:10 GMT -5
There's probably not many NFL professionals here, but we discuss and opine about football. And politics, and a dozen other topics where none of us are known experts.. Why cant we talk about injury recovery times? it's only allowed if you slept at a holliday inn express last night... I've actually slept there a few times on business. Never felt smarter, it wasn't much cheaper than anything else close, and the free breakfast wasn't good. Great commercials though. |
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 10, 2021 20:00:03 GMT -5
it's only allowed if you slept at a holliday inn express last night... I've actually slept there a few times on business. Never felt smarter, it wasn't much cheaper than anything else close, and the free breakfast wasn't good. Great commercials though. Me too. I wouldn’t feed a stray dog that food. |
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 10, 2021 20:02:17 GMT -5
There's probably not many NFL professionals here, but we discuss and opine about football. And politics, and a dozen other topics where none of us are known experts.. Why cant we talk about injury recovery times? Probably because no one knows for certain. Talking about the game, and making opinions about politics is one thing. Stating a players severity of his injury and the time table of his recovery is another. From all accounts, Barkley will be ready to go by week 1. It’s based off nothing. But, then again. What is? No one knows for certain? Bro, everything we discuss here no one knows for certain. And few or none of us are experts or professionals about any of it. Just saying discussing the recovery time of NFL RB's is not so different. |
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 10, 2021 20:13:12 GMT -5
Probably because no one knows for certain. Talking about the game, and making opinions about politics is one thing. Stating a players severity of his injury and the time table of his recovery is another. From all accounts, Barkley will be ready to go by week 1. It’s based off nothing. But, then again. What is? No one knows for certain? Bro, everything we discuss here no one knows for certain. And few or none of us are experts or professionals about any of it. Just saying discussing the recovery time of NFL RB's is not so different. So, there should be no problem with me questioning their opinions. |
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 10, 2021 20:24:15 GMT -5
No one knows for certain? Bro, everything we discuss here no one knows for certain. And few or none of us are experts or professionals about any of it. Just saying discussing the recovery time of NFL RB's is not so different. So, there should be no problem with me questioning their opinions. Seemed like you were criticizing any opinion because no one here is an Orthopaedic Surgeon. Maybe I missed your point. |
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 10, 2021 20:27:02 GMT -5
So, there should be no problem with me questioning their opinions. Seemed like you were criticizing any opinion because no one here is an Orthopaedic Surgeon. Maybe I missed your point. I merely was questioning the validity of the statements that he most certainly will play week 1. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 10, 2021 21:44:38 GMT -5
I wasn’t aware of all the surgeons we have here. Wish I knew about this years ago, I have a bad shoulder that needs fixing. What could go wrong asking a fellow board member to fix an important body part? I wish I knew I could 've helped you years ago. I have a saw and a hot glue gun in the garage. I built models as a kid I'm sure I could figure it out. Tell me exactly where it hurts. |
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 10, 2021 21:52:51 GMT -5
I wasn’t aware of all the surgeons we have here. Wish I knew about this years ago, I have a bad shoulder that needs fixing. What could go wrong asking a fellow board member to fix an important body part? I wish I knew I could 've helped you years ago. I have a saw and a hot glue gun in the garage. I built models as a kid I'm sure I could figure it out. Tell me exactly where it hurts. With those credentials you could be the Yankees physician. |
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Post by McCherry on Jul 10, 2021 22:08:42 GMT -5
Seemed like you were criticizing any opinion because no one here is an Orthopaedic Surgeon. Maybe I missed your point. I merely was questioning the validity of the statements that he most certainly will play week 1. You don't have to be a surgeon, but you can reference the recovery success of other players with knee injuries. Cruz came back for opening day after his second knee surgery. Terrell Thomas was back for opening day after suffering a much worse tear. From everything we're hearing, I don't think it's going out on a limb to predict Barkley will be ready for the start of the season. Whether he'll be used or not and how much, is the real question. |
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Post by moecoastie on Jul 11, 2021 4:07:04 GMT -5
Yeah...because of Daniel Jones. Not the RBs. I think DJ was pretty close to the leading rusher on the team and it wasnt because of a running back by committee thing. The runningbacks were terrible last year. Plus, Shurmur called the plays during SB's first two years. How many times did we ask ourselves "why are they not running the ball with saquon?" Shurmur was great at the pass game...didnt do Jack for the run. That was all SB. Correct if you take out Jones rushing stats. The Rbs put together in 2020 ran for 1207 yds and caught for 300 yards. Saquon the previous year ran for 1007 yds and caught for 438 yds . Add in the other 2019 rbs and you are at 1270 yards 550 yards recieving. Still missing about 400 yards of offense with Barkley out. rush att in 2018 and 2019 were around 350. 2020 was around 400. commitment to the run by the coach. |
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Post by GameTime on Jul 11, 2021 6:31:20 GMT -5
The success of this team should not go through a single RB. If thats the case then something is wrong. Barkley should be a compliment. A healthy productive Barkley would be a great thing and is capable of being a key cog. When that happens it happens.
The only team that really has the RB as "the" focal point is the Titans with Henry. He has earned and maintains it.
With that said having the "run game" be productive is whole other topic. That is definitely a necessity.
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