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Post by Jomo on Jul 11, 2021 11:36:27 GMT -5
Each situation stands on its own. It was a article written to fill space.....like most are. Every one of those QBs had a different OL, WR, RB, HC, OC, offensive scheme, veteran QB mentorship, strength of schedule, injury issues etc. Way, way way too complicated to generalize. Nothing magical about year 2 or 3. Let's simplify it and simply say that if we don't see a real move forward by DJ this year, we need to be in the market for a QB when the season is over.This year is amazingly important for our beloved Giants...winning year or big changes It has been a very rough stretch. I was with a friend yesterday who I haven't seen since COVID. He said that last year his son just turned off the TV at half time of most Giants games and went about his life. This was a guy who would punch walls after a loss in previous years. Our spirits are low and we are starved for wins.......and NONE of us have a "be patient" attitude at this point.
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 11, 2021 12:36:55 GMT -5
How many of the other QBs had their second year in a pandemic with no preseason and with an entirely new coaching staff and scheme? I agree this is the year DJ needs to shine, but there is no comparison that can be made between his second year and anyone else. I can give you a couple rookies who faced that. Justin Herbert and Joe Borrow.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 11, 2021 13:28:03 GMT -5
How many of the other QBs had their second year in a pandemic with no preseason and with an entirely new coaching staff and scheme? I agree this is the year DJ needs to shine, but there is no comparison that can be made between his second year and anyone else. I can give you a couple rookies who faced that. Justin Herbert and Joe Borrow. It will be interesting to see if there's any sophomore slump.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 11, 2021 13:31:33 GMT -5
How many of the other QBs had their second year in a pandemic with no preseason and with an entirely new coaching staff and scheme? I agree this is the year DJ needs to shine, but there is no comparison that can be made between his second year and anyone else. I can give you a couple rookies who faced that. Justin Herbert and Joe Borrow. And both had far superior playmakers around him than Jones did as well.
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 11, 2021 13:33:10 GMT -5
I can give you a couple rookies who faced that. Justin Herbert and Joe Borrow. It will be interesting to see if there's any sophomore slump. Let's hope there's a "junior surge" for our guy.
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 11, 2021 13:33:58 GMT -5
I can give you a couple rookies who faced that. Justin Herbert and Joe Borrow. And both had far superior playmakers around him than Jones did as well. Nothing explains his poor pocket awareness other than his own abilities and tendencies.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jul 11, 2021 13:58:32 GMT -5
How many of the other QBs had their second year in a pandemic with no preseason and with an entirely new coaching staff and scheme? I agree this is the year DJ needs to shine, but there is no comparison that can be made between his second year and anyone else. if only he was a rookie like Herbert.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 11, 2021 14:22:41 GMT -5
I'd say he earned the benefit of doubt based on the circumstances.
Now had he missed a final snap of a game because was off doing seifies with fans, there would be no discussion.
This kid deserves a mulligan as much as anyone.
Well I'm not talking about what anyone deserves. I'm just talking about what we can expect.
I certainly don't dismiss the chance that he will break out this year. My concern is that his problems seem to be about his pocket awareness. In my view that is the root of all his difficulties.
Not sure that is something that can magically fix itself. I'm sure experience can bring some improvement, but it seems that it's something you either have or you don't.
No doubt he needs to show better awareness, but we don't want him to become gun shy like Eli became as well.
I'm hopeful with an improved Oline, run game, and some new weapons to throw to, Daniel will settle in this year.
We have the talent on paper to be a dangerous offense with Jones, Saquon, Booker, Engram, Rudolph, Golladay, Shep, Slayton, Toney, and hopefully Ross.
Ready for year 2.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jul 11, 2021 14:28:53 GMT -5
We need Daniel Jones to win the Division and get this team to the playoffs.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 11, 2021 14:37:17 GMT -5
The biggest thing that is being overlooked about DJ is his durability. We talked about his strengths and weaknesses relentlessly, but his ability to stay healthy and play is also a huge concern/ question.
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Post by Jomo on Jul 11, 2021 14:37:45 GMT -5
Well I'm not talking about what anyone deserves. I'm just talking about what we can expect.
I certainly don't dismiss the chance that he will break out this year. My concern is that his problems seem to be about his pocket awareness. In my view that is the root of all his difficulties.
Not sure that is something that can magically fix itself. I'm sure experience can bring some improvement, but it seems that it's something you either have or you don't.
No doubt he needs to show better awareness, but we don't want him to become gun shy like Eli became as well.
I'm hopeful with an improved Oline, run game, and some new weapons to throw to, Daniel will settle in this year.
We have the talent on paper to be a dangerous offense with Jones, Saquon, Booker, Engram, Rudolph, Golladay, Shep, Slayton, Toney, and hopefully Ross.
Ready for year 2.
Ready!!
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 11, 2021 15:49:34 GMT -5
The biggest thing that is being overlooked about DJ is his durability. We talked about his strengths and weaknesses relentlessly, but his ability to stay healthy and play is also a huge concern/ question.
Part of that has to do with pocket awareness and the other is he needs to protects himself better when he's running with it.
Simms made that comment last year. His body will not hold up to the punishment he allows himself to take.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 11, 2021 17:10:45 GMT -5
The biggest thing that is being overlooked about DJ is his durability. We talked about his strengths and weaknesses relentlessly, but his ability to stay healthy and play is also a huge concern/ question. No one is overlooking anything. Giant fans were spoiled by Ely Manning and his Ironman abilities pertaining to his health. Ely Mannning huh...
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 11, 2021 17:11:17 GMT -5
The biggest thing that is being overlooked about DJ is his durability. We talked about his strengths and weaknesses relentlessly, but his ability to stay healthy and play is also a huge concern/ question.
Part of that has to do with pocket awareness and the other is he needs to protects himself better when he's running with it.
Simms made that comment last year. His body will not hold up to the punishment he allows himself to take.
Agree.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 7:12:50 GMT -5
Here we are again with the Giants and their 1st round QB. I've seen it with Sims and again with Eli when they both didn't take the league by storm their fist few years. No different with Jones and while it's the cool thing to do out here and claim this has to be his year or he's gone I'll believe it when I see it..
GO GIANTS!!
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Post by nyg2 on Jul 12, 2021 10:28:46 GMT -5
He'll be fine . He is going to have his 1st 3500+ yard 25+TD season. This isn't an achievement and you're really not going out an a limb with these projections...lol Your projection:206 yards per game 1.47 TD per game Daniel Jones 2020 Stats
210 yards per game 0.78 TD per game
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Post by McCherry on Jul 12, 2021 10:49:03 GMT -5
The biggest thing that is being overlooked about DJ is his durability. We talked about his strengths and weaknesses relentlessly, but his ability to stay healthy and play is also a huge concern/ question.
Part of that has to do with pocket awareness and the other is he needs to protects himself better when he's running with it.
Simms made that comment last year. His body will not hold up to the punishment he allows himself to take.
83 sacks in 2 seasons hasn't helped.
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Post by jmike on Jul 12, 2021 15:45:37 GMT -5
I think Jones the riddle will be solved in about 8 months they will have a true idea of what he is as a player and what flaws he has and wether they are fixable and if they want to spend the time fixing him. I believe he has what it takes . The most likely result is that he continues to be essentially what he's been. Usually after two years there isn't much of a riddle left. We fans are defying history and extending him an usual benefit of the doubt.
Maybe, deep down, we DO know what he is but don't want to admit it yet.
After 2 years. Simms 25 Games. 24 Starts, 9-15 Record, 327 Comp, 667 att, 49.0% comp, 4064 yards, 28 TD, 33 INT, Rating 66.0 year 1, 58.9 ear 2; sacked 75 times, 15 fumbles. Jones 27 games. 26 Starts, 8-18 Record, 564 comp, 907 att, 62.2% comp, 5970 yards, 35 TD, 22 INT, Rating 87.7 year 1, 80.4 year 2, sacked 83 times, 29 fumbles Eli 25 Games, 23 starts, 12-11 record, 389 comp, 754 Att, 51.6% comp, 4805 yards, 30 TD, 26 INT, Rating 55.4 year 1, 75.9 year 2, sacked 41 times, 12 fumbles
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Post by jmike on Jul 12, 2021 15:46:27 GMT -5
How many of the other QBs had their second year in a pandemic with no preseason and with an entirely new coaching staff and scheme? I agree this is the year DJ needs to shine, but there is no comparison that can be made between his second year and anyone else. I can give you a couple rookies who faced that. Justin Herbert and Joe Borrow. How would rookies face a 2nd year?
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Post by TEM on Jul 12, 2021 15:49:32 GMT -5
He'll be fine . He is going to have his 1st 3500+ yard 25+TD season. This isn't an achievement and you're really not going out an a limb with these projections...lol Your projection:206 yards per game 1.47 TD per game Daniel Jones 2020 Stats
210 yards per game 0.78 TD per game It would still be his best year to date. It took Phil 5 years to hit 3500+ yards.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 12, 2021 15:57:17 GMT -5
This isn't an achievement and you're really not going out an a limb with these projections...lol Your projection:206 yards per game 1.47 TD per game Daniel Jones 2020 Stats
210 yards per game 0.78 TD per game It would still be his best year to date. It took Phil 5 years to hit 3500+ yards. I don't know in what world those numbers wouldn't indicate a huge achievement for Jones. Unless he threw 30 INT's? But I don't think that's what GL was implying.
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Post by TEM on Jul 12, 2021 16:38:33 GMT -5
It would still be his best year to date. It took Phil 5 years to hit 3500+ yards. I don't know in what world those numbers wouldn't indicate a huge achievement for Jones. Unless he threw 30 INT's? But I don't think that's what GL was implying. They would. Any Qb would want 3500+ and 25+ TDs
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 12, 2021 16:55:15 GMT -5
We need Daniel Jones to win the Division and get this team to the playoffs. I’ll settle for him beating a team above .500.. Which, he has yet to do. Colt 45, was our quarterback in the biggest win in two years.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 12, 2021 17:05:07 GMT -5
We need Daniel Jones to win the Division and get this team to the playoffs. I’ll settle for him beating a team above .500.. Which, he has yet to do. Colt 45, was our quarterback in the biggest win in two years. It's not as if we couldn't have won with Jones. I think Colt threw something like 15 passes for barely 100 yards that day. But staying healthy is key.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jul 12, 2021 17:13:32 GMT -5
We need Daniel Jones to win the Division and get this team to the playoffs. I’ll settle for him beating a team above .500.. Which, he has yet to do. Colt 45, was our quarterback in the biggest win in two years. bar is real low lol. Enough is enough from this organization. It's a league designed for each team to be at least .500 Get it together already.
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 12, 2021 17:29:14 GMT -5
I’ll settle for him beating a team above .500.. Which, he has yet to do. Colt 45, was our quarterback in the biggest win in two years. It's not as if we couldn't have won with Jones. I think Colt threw something like 15 passes for barely 100 yards that day. But staying healthy is key. We don’t know that. He was on the sidelines in his goofy sweatpants. Granted, McCoy didn’t light it up. But, he didn’t commit any miscues and made the plays that were there for him.
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 12, 2021 17:30:35 GMT -5
I’ll settle for him beating a team above .500.. Which, he has yet to do. Colt 45, was our quarterback in the biggest win in two years. bar is real low lol. Enough is enough from this organization. It's a league designed for each team to be at least .500 Get it together already. If they can’t put it together this season, the brain trust of this organization needs to be lobotomized.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 12, 2021 18:06:54 GMT -5
I’ll settle for him beating a team above .500.. Which, he has yet to do. Colt 45, was our quarterback in the biggest win in two years. It's not as if we couldn't have won with Jones. I think Colt threw something like 15 passes for barely 100 yards that day. But staying healthy is key. And yet there is a segment of this fan base that wants to build a team that plays this way every week
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Post by McCherry on Jul 12, 2021 18:19:29 GMT -5
It's not as if we couldn't have won with Jones. I think Colt threw something like 15 passes for barely 100 yards that day. But staying healthy is key. And yet there is a segment of this fan base that wants to build a team that plays this way every week Whatever works. We had 190 rush yards that game, paired with a dominant pass rush. I don't think this philosophy will change just because we have some new receivers.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 12, 2021 22:39:11 GMT -5
And yet there is a segment of this fan base that wants to build a team that plays this way every week Whatever works. We had 190 rush yards that game, paired with a dominant pass rush. I don't think this philosophy will change just because we have some new receivers. We are not going back to a retro goober style of prevent offense no matter what a few relics want They didn't spend 70 plus million on Golladay and a 1st on Toney to make Jones a game manager. If they ar able to establish these weapons ASAP to put a fear factor into opposing defenses then there will be a ton of green to run it at will
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