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Post by Kruunch on Jul 18, 2021 14:26:37 GMT -5
does that mean we will go for a QB with one of our 2 picks in round 1, I know its too early to say yet but the possibility exists... What it means is that we would be in the market for a QB. Whether that is via trade, FA signing or a package of picks to move up the draft order who knows? As an aside, if the guy didn't flop on his face in year 1 and year 2 with those supporting casts, it is hard to envision that happening this year.The MUCH tougher question is: What do we do if he makes a modest step forward and we go 9-7? (which is a much more likely scenario than a flat out flop this year.) How in the world did he not flop his second year? He pretty much played dead for 14 games.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 15:01:09 GMT -5
does that mean we will go for a QB with one of our 2 picks in round 1, I know its too early to say yet but the possibility exists... What it means is that we would be in the market for a QB. Whether that is via trade, FA signing or a package of picks to move up the draft order who knows? As an aside, if the guy didn't flop on his face in year 1 and year 2 with those supporting casts, it is hard to envision that happening this year. The MUCH tougher question is: What do we do if he makes a modest step forward and we go 9-7? (which is a much more likely scenario than a flat out flop this year.) Not delving into stats and all that other fine tuning area of concern...strictly on wins, if we get 9, I am picking up year 5
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 18, 2021 17:32:09 GMT -5
What it means is that we would be in the market for a QB. Whether that is via trade, FA signing or a package of picks to move up the draft order who knows? As an aside, if the guy didn't flop on his face in year 1 and year 2 with those supporting casts, it is hard to envision that happening this year. The MUCH tougher question is: What do we do if he makes a modest step forward and we go 9-7? (which is a much more likely scenario than a flat out flop this year.) Not delving into stats and all that other fine tuning area of concern...strictly on wins, if we get 9, I am picking up year 5 This means he showed some improvement to high end game manager type with some upside But also dangerously close to greyscale status (Dalton,Carr )where you might be stuck in that vague area of great team that doesn't get past the first round every year for 5 years in a row
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 17:50:33 GMT -5
Not delving into stats and all that other fine tuning area of concern...strictly on wins, if we get 9, I am picking up year 5 This means he showed some improvement to high end game manager type with some upside But also dangerously close to greyscale status (Dalton,Carr )where you might be stuck in that vague area of great team that doesn't get past the first round every year for 5 years in a row Truth, but we can then possibly afford to give him those 2 years while building the OL, defense, and keep the flow of weapons to catch the ball... If he stalls in years 4 and 5, we can then work on a method for acquiring a QB to replace his game manager arse... According to Brandt...some positive vibes via NFL.com Pocket awareness is such a tough almost impossible aspect to "learn"...you could say you are born with it, or without... As of now, Jones looks like first out in any horror/slasher movie..."not the closet Daniel...ugh"
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 18, 2021 18:12:18 GMT -5
This means he showed some improvement to high end game manager type with some upside But also dangerously close to greyscale status (Dalton,Carr )where you might be stuck in that vague area of great team that doesn't get past the first round every year for 5 years in a row Truth, but we can then possibly afford to give him those 2 years while building the OL, defense, and keep the flow of weapons to catch the ball... If he stalls in years 4 and 5, we can then work on a method for acquiring a QB to replace his game manager arse... According to Brandt...some positive vibes via NFL.com Pocket awareness is such a tough almost impossible aspect to "learn"...you could say you are born with it, or without... As of now, Jones looks like first out in any horror/slasher movie..."not the closet Daniel...ugh" Brandt loved him coming out of Duke... He compared him to Peyton with mobility.... I would hope more than 20 TD passes though
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Post by Nite on Jul 18, 2021 19:04:07 GMT -5
Not a stellar draft in 2022 for QB's. Top prospects like Rattler are smurfs. This is truth according to the scouts who evaluate talent for the coaches and management...but even when a season starts with say Darnold and Rosen types getting the franchise hype, other QB's do sometimes emerge during the college year...Mayfield and Allen for that years example Myself and Irish Mike shall be scouting the college season and QB's especially close this year, in case Jones continues to struggle....I'm sure we'll at least find a top running back and linebacker for this team. Don't forget FBs and long snappers. high priority item for Getty
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Post by Nite on Jul 18, 2021 19:08:14 GMT -5
There's 2...possibly 3...by the tape right now Figure 5 by college year over and done....college QB's still have to play a year for the ups ...and downs. I see only 2 IMO Ratler is my favorite...reminds me of Mayfield Howell actually reminds me a bit of Jones if he had a better cast around him but Ratler has more an it factor Howell has Mack Brown coaching him and NFL calibur RBs (well last year). That is significant. He forgo-ed the draft for another year at college. He could develop nicely ala Justin Herbert
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Post by Delicreep on Jul 18, 2021 19:19:29 GMT -5
Feels like the FO has done enough in terms of picking up weapons to give him the or the thumbs down after this season. I would say if he bombs, we are drafting his replacement.
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 18, 2021 19:51:57 GMT -5
Feels like the FO has done enough in terms of picking up weapons to give him the or the thumbs down after this season. I would say if he bombs, we are drafting his replacement. My guess is that he doesn’t bomb and that he also doesn’t erase all doubt that he is a bona-fide franchise QB. He’ll erase some doubts, but not all. It won’t be a clean decision — it will still require a leap up faith to commit to him long term. Just my guess ….
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Post by Delicreep on Jul 18, 2021 19:59:31 GMT -5
Feels like the FO has done enough in terms of picking up weapons to give him the or the thumbs down after this season. I would say if he bombs, we are drafting his replacement. My guess is that he doesn’t bomb and that he also doesn’t erase all doubt that he is a bona-fide franchise QB. He’ll erase some doubts, but not all. It won’t be a clean decision — it will still require a leap up faith to commit to him long term. Just my guess …. Nice post.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 19, 2021 0:54:29 GMT -5
Feels like the FO has done enough in terms of picking up weapons to give him the or the thumbs down after this season. I would say if he bombs, we are drafting his replacement. My guess is that he doesn’t bomb and that he also doesn’t erase all doubt that he is a bona-fide franchise QB. He’ll erase some doubts, but not all. It won’t be a clean decision — it will still require a leap up faith to commit to him long term. Just my guess …. In other words greyscale
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 19, 2021 5:16:30 GMT -5
I put my ass on tbe line in the sub thread about this guy I think he takes a step foward to being at least functional I bet that Lemieux is the PFF most improved OL this year. They rated him very poorly last year, even in areas he seemed to do well. I don't care about PFF grades, but I do think he will be a pretty good OL.
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Post by snyder55 on Jul 19, 2021 7:49:16 GMT -5
going 9 and 7 would just make the decision that much harder...
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Post by snyder55 on Jul 19, 2021 7:52:19 GMT -5
does that mean we will go for a QB with one of our 2 picks in round 1, I know its too early to say yet but the possibility exists... If Jones flops I imagine QB would be on our radar. One of the hidden beauties behind our Rd1 trade this year is the fact we now have two picks to leverage in a trade up if need be. I would imagine that having those 2 round 1 picks puts us in a position to get whoever we want..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 8:19:54 GMT -5
I put my ass on tbe line in the sub thread about this guy I think he takes a step foward to being at least functional I bet that Lemieux is the PFF most improved OL this year. They rated him very poorly last year, even in areas he seemed to do well. I don't care about PFF grades, but I do think he will be a pretty good OL. Being Lemieux is PFF dead last, I would think any improvement would be a major shake...being I do care about PFF grades when they are for my guys I am hoping for middle of the spectrum grades and as you mention...the most improved PFF grade award. I'm hoping the entire OL PFF grades improve so much, folksongs are written, a made for Netflix series is created.... and the playoffs are expected each and every year for the next 15. It all starts and ends with PFF .
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jul 19, 2021 9:28:40 GMT -5
Every Qb in the draft is a bust waiting to happen.
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Post by piddy283 on Jul 19, 2021 9:47:38 GMT -5
If Jones flops I imagine QB would be on our radar. One of the hidden beauties behind our Rd1 trade this year is the fact we now have two picks to leverage in a trade up if need be. I would imagine that having those 2 round 1 picks puts us in a position to get whoever we want.. It definitely can't hurt. Some have said the QB class is weak next year, which may be true. In recent years there seems to have been an increase in "one-year wonder" type QB's who come out of nowhere only to be drafted in the first round. So, who knows? If we need a QB next season, and if there's one we really like, we should have a solid chance to get him.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 19, 2021 10:00:18 GMT -5
Every Qb in the draft is a bust waiting to happen. or you can say... every QB in the draft is a success waiting to happen. Thats what those kids have in their mind. Of course the bust factor is the much higher outcome hostorically
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Post by nygiantfanalways on Jul 19, 2021 11:01:29 GMT -5
does that mean we will go for a QB with one of our 2 picks in round 1, I know its too early to say yet but the possibility exists... If Jones truly does flop this season. The Giants have the ammo with the extra draft picks to package up a deal and move up and get the best QB they think is on the board. If Jones does happen to flop, I wouldn't mind seeing Sam Howell in NY Giants blue for the next decade and a half.
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Post by ocgiant on Jul 21, 2021 22:12:05 GMT -5
A lot of football between now and then
Thankfully, they are in the position to have draft capital to get a QB
If necessary...
I am excited to see DJ, Engram and the OL succeed at this point in the preseason
Not ready at this point for this Giant's Manifest Destiny
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