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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 20, 2021 20:23:28 GMT -5
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 20, 2021 21:02:00 GMT -5
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Post by Delicreep on Jul 21, 2021 8:53:11 GMT -5
Pretty easy to read into things too much, but...a growing concern about Barkley. |
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 21, 2021 9:09:16 GMT -5
Pretty easy to read into things too much, but...a growing concern about Barkley. Ya think? I’m waiting for them to give Joe Morris a tryout. |
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Post by Jomo on Jul 21, 2021 9:27:52 GMT -5
Pretty easy to read into things too much, but...a growing concern about Barkley. Ya think? I’m waiting for them to give Joe Morris a tryout. I don't know any of these names. If they are high grade FA, I'd be mildly concerned. More likely it is just camp fodder. |
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Post by Martin on Jul 21, 2021 9:39:03 GMT -5
Your always evaluating players when you have a football team. Injuries occur frequently so you need to keep looking for high value at low cost. I don't think this about Barkley but more about the position.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 21, 2021 9:39:05 GMT -5
Pretty easy to read into things too much, but...a growing concern about Barkley.
Gotta hope it's all precautionary leading up to the season. Could be indicative of him not seeing any contact until late in training camp and pre-season.
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Post by Martin on Jul 21, 2021 9:43:47 GMT -5
Pretty easy to read into things too much, but...a growing concern about Barkley. Ya think? I’m waiting for them to give Joe Morris a tryout. He looks to be 300 lbs. Maybe a midget Sumo Wrestler is a better fit. |
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Post by Delicreep on Jul 21, 2021 9:47:04 GMT -5
Ya think? I’m waiting for them to give Joe Morris a tryout. I don't know any of these names. If they are high grade FA, I'd be mildly concerned. More likely it is just camp fodder. OK...making me feel better |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 21, 2021 9:56:12 GMT -5
An extra RB for insurance for Barkley. At least to use for wear and tear in pre season. Barkley is sitting the whole pre season apparently. This would give him an extra month before contact.
He didn't get operated on till after a month when he incurred the injury. If he plays opening game it will be about 10 months since he was hurt.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 21, 2021 10:02:13 GMT -5
An extra RB for insurance for Barkley. At least to use for wear and tear in pre season. Barkley is sitting the whole pre season apparently. This would give him an extra month before contact. He didn't get operated on till after a month when he incurred the injury. If he plays opening game it will be about 10 months since he was hurt. This is all that this is If they were worried they would not have cut Armstead |
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Post by vinnie on Jul 21, 2021 12:17:41 GMT -5
How about we see some FA O linemen trying out? Probably asking too much, we’re happy going into this season with the same personnel, minus Zeitler, that were ranked as the worst O line in the league last year.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 12:23:49 GMT -5
How about we see some FA O linemen trying out? Probably asking too much, we’re happy going into this season with the same personnel, minus Zeitler, that were ranked as the worst O line in the league last year. THIS!!!!!! |
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Post by Jomo on Jul 21, 2021 13:01:15 GMT -5
How about we see some FA O linemen trying out? Probably asking too much, we’re happy going into this season with the same personnel, minus Zeitler, that were ranked as the worst O line in the league last year. I would love that but most likely any help will come late in camp with a minor trade or picked up as a late cut. |
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Post by vinnie on Jul 21, 2021 18:31:49 GMT -5
How about we see some FA O linemen trying out? Probably asking too much, we’re happy going into this season with the same personnel, minus Zeitler, that were ranked as the worst O line in the league last year. I would love that but most likely any help will come late in camp with a minor trade or picked up as a late cut. Prolly right but I’ll take what I can get, I have a feeling some camp cuts will be better than at least one of our starters, if not two, and one or two of our back ups. |
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 21, 2021 18:34:40 GMT -5
How about we see some FA O linemen trying out? Probably asking too much, we’re happy going into this season with the same personnel, minus Zeitler, that were ranked as the worst O line in the league last year. What FA OT do you want to bring in? |
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Post by vinnie on Jul 21, 2021 18:42:06 GMT -5
How about we see some FA O linemen trying out? Probably asking too much, we’re happy going into this season with the same personnel, minus Zeitler, that were ranked as the worst O line in the league last year. What FA OT do you want to bring in? I didn’t say OT, at least I didn’t mean to, I would look at guards first and then tackles. Pick one, they surely can’t be any worse than some of the worst guards in the league. www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/guard/ |
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Post by Martin on Jul 21, 2021 18:51:47 GMT -5
How about we see some FA O linemen trying out? Probably asking too much, we’re happy going into this season with the same personnel, minus Zeitler, that were ranked as the worst O line in the league last year. I am still concerned about the Oline but if management was wrong about their projections it's Fking on them! This means there personnel evaluation sucks which means they can't be trusted to field the team properly, which means they need to fire and hire. Before we pull of pitch forks and torches we need to let it unfold first. I know where your coming from though so we wait.....  |
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Post by GameTime on Jul 21, 2021 19:02:11 GMT -5
How about we see some FA O linemen trying out? Probably asking too much, we’re happy going into this season with the same personnel, minus Zeitler, that were ranked as the worst O line in the league last year. 15 OLs on the roster currently. How many more do want t start camp? They didnt draft any and thats may be an issue going forward. What FA OLs are the hidden gems? |
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Post by McCherry on Jul 21, 2021 19:42:41 GMT -5
What FA OT do you want to bring in? I didn’t say OT, at least I didn’t mean to, I would look at guards first and then tackles. Pick one, they surely can’t be any worse than some of the worst guards in the league. www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/guard/If they're still unemployed less than a week before camp, they are the worst in the league. |
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Post by vinnie on Jul 21, 2021 19:49:26 GMT -5
How about we see some FA O linemen trying out? Probably asking too much, we’re happy going into this season with the same personnel, minus Zeitler, that were ranked as the worst O line in the league last year. 15 OLs on the roster currently. How many more do want t start camp? They didnt draft any and thats may be an issue going forward. What FA OLs are the hidden gems? Who said we need hidden gems, we have lumps of coal, I’ll take a dull stone over what we have. I couldn’t care less about how many O linemen we have on the roster, how many did we have last year when we were the worst in the league? I really don’t buy into that reasoning just like I don’t buy into “we already spent X amount of draft picks on xyz position, how many more do you want them to spend”? The correct answer is as many as it takes until it’s fixed or someone is fired. GM’s shouldn’t get brownie points for trying, we can all do that. IMOF, having that many linemen on the roster and still being one of the worst in the league is a testament to how bad of a GM or coach or FO (pick one or all three) they really are. 15 O linemen and they not only missed but whiffed on that many? Disgraceful. I know this year is still up in the air but nothing about DG’s history with the Giants and the O line gives me any confidence nor does “improving” during the season from the worst in the league to one of the worst. And a new O line coach with no NFL history? Eh, not as excited about that as some of you, hopefully it’s not just a case of “putting lipstick on a pig”, we’ll see. |
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Post by vinnie on Jul 21, 2021 19:51:59 GMT -5
I didn’t say OT, at least I didn’t mean to, I would look at guards first and then tackles. Pick one, they surely can’t be any worse than some of the worst guards in the league. www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/guard/If they're still unemployed less than a week before camp, they are the worst in the league. So you’re telling me not one of those guards can beat out Lemieux (the worst guard in the league last year) or Hernandez (the guy who was benched for the worst guard in the league)? That’s a very naive and arrogant thought IMO (no disrespect, seriously). I find that hard to believe and more likely a case of someone being stubborn and not willing to admit they could have been wrong. |
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Post by GameTime on Jul 21, 2021 19:53:57 GMT -5
15 OLs on the roster currently. How many more do want t start camp? They didnt draft any and thats may be an issue going forward. What FA OLs are the hidden gems? Who said we need hidden gems, we have lumps of coal, I’ll take a dull stone over what we have. so anything will do for you? They have 15 and will rotate more in as camp moves on. Beyond drafting any OLs this is all they can do. You are asking for tings they cant do. Lip stick on a pig goes for manyof the the FAs that are available too |
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Post by vinnie on Jul 21, 2021 20:01:00 GMT -5
Who said we need hidden gems, we have lumps of coal, I’ll take a dull stone over what we have. so anything will do for you? They have 15 and will rotate more in as camp moves on. Beyond drafting any OLs this is all they can do. You are asking for tings they cant do. Lip stick on a pig goes for manyof the the FAs that are available too Based on not drafting a single O lineman this year, letting Zeitler go and only bringing in Fulton and Harrison to help out the worst O line in the league last year? Yeah, anything would be better than nothing. How is letting some of them go and bringing in more FA’s to compete something they can’t do? How bad are the other 9-10 O linemen that they couldn’t even play over guys who were some of the worst at their position? |
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 21, 2021 20:13:11 GMT -5
How about we see some FA O linemen trying out? Probably asking too much, we’re happy going into this season with the same personnel, minus Zeitler, that were ranked as the worst O line in the league last year. Ranked worst by who?
Certainly not by this team. Say what you want about DG he has no issue shipping your ass out of town mid season if you are deemed as being terrible. I get that the media and some fans don't like the OL but it is clear as day at this point how the front office and coaching staff feels about them. Their issue last year (all of them) was in pass protection. A big part of that was WRs that could not get open and an injured QB. They certainly were not great in pass pro though and some of that is their youth. There was a drastic improvement after the first 4 games.
The GOOD thing about our OL is that each and every one of them did well last year run blocking. Matt Peart doesn't get talked about much but he received very high praise for his run blocking. They opened up some huge holes for Gallman. This will be very good with Barkley back in.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 21, 2021 20:22:59 GMT -5
so anything will do for you? They have 15 and will rotate more in as camp moves on. Beyond drafting any OLs this is all they can do. You are asking for tings they cant do. Lip stick on a pig goes for manyof the the FAs that are available too Based on not drafting a single O lineman this year, letting Zeitler go and only bringing in Fulton and Harrison to help out the worst O line in the league last year? Yeah, anything would be better than nothing. How is letting some of them go and bringing in more FA’s to compete something they can’t do? How bad are the other 9-10 O linemen that they couldn’t even play over guys who were some of the worst at their position? They dont have "nothing". Last year's group was a few rookies and other young players. They all have more reps under their belt. Why cant the players in this group develop and improve? That's kinda how the NFL is supposed to work right? Get players, develop players and see what happens. I get the frustration but we have to see how it turns out. |
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Post by McCherry on Jul 21, 2021 20:29:11 GMT -5
If they're still unemployed less than a week before camp, they are the worst in the league. (the guy who was benched for the worst guard in the league)? That’s a very naive and arrogant thought IMO (no disrespect, seriously). I find that hard to believe and more likely a case of someone being stubborn and not willing to admit they could have been wrong. They couldn't even beat out the Fultons, Wiggins's or Slades... If they could, they wouldn't be on the street. |
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Post by vinnie on Jul 21, 2021 20:33:36 GMT -5
How about we see some FA O linemen trying out? Probably asking too much, we’re happy going into this season with the same personnel, minus Zeitler, that were ranked as the worst O line in the league last year. Ranked worst by who?
Certainly not by this team. Say what you want about DG he has no issue shipping your ass out of town mid season if you are deemed as being terrible. I get that the media and some fans don't like the OL but it is clear as day at this point how the front office and coaching staff feels about them. Their issue last year (all of them) was in pass protection. A big part of that was WRs that could not get open and an injured QB. They certainly were not great in pass pro though and some of that is their youth. There was a drastic improvement after the first 4 games.
The GOOD thing about our OL is that each and every one of them did well last year run blocking. Matt Peart doesn't get talked about much but he received very high praise for his run blocking. They opened up some huge holes for Gallman. This will be very good with Barkley back in.
Of course not by this team, that means they would have to admit they failed miserably at their jobs. C’mon Mike, do you really want me to dig up the several articles that quote stats and analysts that had this O line ranked last or close to it last year? Valid or not, I’m not interested in excuses. This year they could suck again and I’ll hear “they had a new O line coach, they looked better as the year went on” or “so and so sucked, so it made everyone around him look worse then they really are” or “Lemieux sucked, the O line is only as strong as it’s weakest link, they should have replaced him last year but we had to see if he was the answer or not”. The excuses will never stop if people don’t want them too and personally, after DG’s 3rd year and still being as bad as they were last year, I’ve already heard enough excuses. |
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Post by vinnie on Jul 21, 2021 20:40:21 GMT -5
So you’re telling me not one of those guards can beat out Lemieux (the worst guard in the league last year) or Hernandez (the guy who was benched for the worst guard in the league)? That’s a very naive and arrogant thought IMO (no disrespect, seriously). I find that hard to believe and more likely a case of someone being stubborn and not willing to admit they could have been wrong. They couldn't even beat out the Fultons, Wiggins's or Slades... If they could, they wouldn't be on the street. Incorrect. That’s funny, because minus DeCastro, I looked at the first 4 FA guards available and they all played as many or more snaps than Lemieux and Hernandez and they all had better to significantly better PFF grades than Lemieux and all but one had similar or better grades than Hernandez. I got sick of looking after that. So apparently they are on the street and they are better than our two starting guards yet we’re content with what we have. I’m tempted to keep going down the list to see how many more are better as well. This also obviously doesn’t include the FA’s that have already been signed by other teams. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 21, 2021 20:49:06 GMT -5
Based on not drafting a single O lineman this year, letting Zeitler go and only bringing in Fulton and Harrison to help out the worst O line in the league last year? Yeah, anything would be better than nothing. How is letting some of them go and bringing in more FA’s to compete something they can’t do? How bad are the other 9-10 O linemen that they couldn’t even play over guys who were some of the worst at their position? They dont have "nothing". Last year's group was a few rookies and other young players. They all have more reps under their belt. Why cant the players in this group develop and improve? That's kinda how the NFL is supposed to work right? Get players, develop players and see what happens. I get the frustration but we have to see how it turns out. Don't bother with any kind of logic or reasoning here .. I am sick of losing like everyone else but you don't replace rookies with more rookies every year if they aren't an all pro in their first year with no preseason or offseason programs ... And I say this as someone who wanted at least one more player taken in the draft somewhere even just for young death Shit happened and it didn't work out |
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