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Post by IrishMike on Aug 11, 2021 9:50:17 GMT -5
On the OL "Can we please get in pads and play a game? Can we try that on for size?”
And attack DG in 3...2...1...
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Post by Roswell on Aug 11, 2021 10:00:33 GMT -5
To be fair, right now they have no depth. DG has to bring in at least two guys that can actually play and don't mind running sprints every once in a while.
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 11, 2021 10:02:54 GMT -5
He must be feeling his oats as of late. He’s back to his cliches.
Can we win more than we lose? How do you like them apples?
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Post by vinnie on Aug 11, 2021 10:16:16 GMT -5
On the OL "Can we please get in pads and play a game? Can we try that on for size?”
And attack DG in 3...2...1...
He deserves every bit of criticism for this mess of an O line. Maybe I should start posting articles discussing how bad the O line was last year as a reminder as to why DG gets criticized as often as he does. |
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Post by Jomo on Aug 11, 2021 10:18:17 GMT -5
To be fair, right now they have no depth. DG has to bring in at least two guys that can actually play and don't mind running sprints every once in a while. We should wait for some live bullets to fly, I agree with him on that....as respects the starters. However, the frightening non existence of capable depth on the OL belongs to him as does the assessment in the off-season/draft that our OL was in good enough shape. He owns it lock stock and barrel just as JR owned it when he proclaimed that "the talent is there on the OL, it's up to the coaches to bring it out." Most of us can smell BS at 110 yards. I admit to now having a knot in my stomach regarding the OL. I have moved from mild concern to flat out worry. |
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Post by vinnie on Aug 11, 2021 10:21:55 GMT -5
To be fair, right now they have no depth. DG has to bring in at least two guys that can actually play and don't mind running sprints every once in a while. We should wait for some live bullets to fly, I agree with him on that....as respects the starters. However, the frightening non existence of capable depth on the OL belongs to him as does the assessment in the off-season/draft that our OL was in good enough shape. He owns it lock stock and barrel just as JR owned it when he proclaimed that "the talent is there on the OL, it's up to the coaches to bring it out." Most of us can smell BS at 110 yards. I admit to now having a knot in my stomach regarding the OL. I have moved from mild concern to flat out worry. Welcome aboard  |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Aug 11, 2021 10:22:11 GMT -5
To me DG just said what we all know. Were all waiting to see what we look like. We need to judge the OL in games. Were going to have to wait for Barkley to see how he is.
To me DG gives a pretty honest interview.
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Post by bluebuddha on Aug 11, 2021 10:27:33 GMT -5
On the OL "Can we please get in pads and play a game? Can we try that on for size?”
And attack DG in 3...2...1...
He deserves every bit of criticism for this mess of an O line. Maybe I should start posting articles discussing how bad the O line was last year as a reminder as to why DG gets criticized as often as he does. Why aren't the coaches responsible also? I think the lack of a good OL coach has been our issue more than anything else. We should have hit on 1 good olineman by this point between Reese and Getty. Also some of the guys we let go have actually started for other teams. |
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Post by McCherry on Aug 11, 2021 10:44:48 GMT -5
On the OL "Can we please get in pads and play a game? Can we try that on for size?” He's absolutely right. And without trying to be redundant.... Can we play one game, or even an exhibition, before we declare the OL a failure? |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 11, 2021 10:55:15 GMT -5
On the OL "Can we please get in pads and play a game? Can we try that on for size?”
And attack DG in 3...2...1...
LOL perfect he tells the truth, they want to know what they have thats not changing, this is it no one is coming to the rescue them could be his job but he knows you can't just quit on a young OL, these guys are growing together maybe Hernandez gets replaced next year who knows. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 11, 2021 11:02:37 GMT -5
To me DG just said what we all know. Were all waiting to see what we look like. We need to judge the OL in games. Were going to have to wait for Barkley to see how he is. To me DG gives a pretty honest interview. The other part is this where they screwed it up the most OLs depend on stability coaching and in personnel and scheme. this has been nothing close to stable especially from the coaching and scheme angles Thomas Lemieux Gates and Peart are going to have every opportunity to succeed. |
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 11, 2021 11:20:27 GMT -5
To me DG just said what we all know. Were all waiting to see what we look like. We need to judge the OL in games. Were going to have to wait for Barkley to see how he is. To me DG gives a pretty honest interview. He said what most of us know. |
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 11, 2021 11:21:21 GMT -5
To be fair, right now they have no depth. DG has to bring in at least two guys that can actually play and don't mind running sprints every once in a while. That is the plan. He has said as much. Never stop trying to add more/better pieces. They will add more I'm sure of it. Also we have to see what our undrafted guys can do. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 11, 2021 11:23:45 GMT -5
He must be feeling his oats as of late. He’s back to his cliches. Can we win more than we lose? How do you like them apples? I'd like to try that on for size. |
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 11, 2021 11:24:53 GMT -5
He deserves every bit of criticism for this mess of an O line. Maybe I should start posting articles discussing how bad the O line was last year as a reminder as to why DG gets criticized as often as he does. You can post anything you want. I try to post articles as they pop up and ones that aren't already posted.
My comment was not about DG getting criticized for his failure to produce a good OL, it was about how every time he opens his mouth people are like "this dude sounds stupid with his accent, why did he say that, he's a liar, back to using cliches". You can criticize, I can counter (or attempt to) you critique, and we can talk football. If the comment (just in general not you) is "what a dumb accent" I can't really discuss that in a football sense.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 11, 2021 11:32:28 GMT -5
He deserves every bit of criticism for this mess of an O line. Maybe I should start posting articles discussing how bad the O line was last year as a reminder as to why DG gets criticized as often as he does. You can post anything you want. I try to post articles as they pop up and ones that aren't already posted.
My comment was not about DG getting criticized for his failure to produce a good OL, it was about how every time he opens his mouth people are like "this dude sounds stupid with his accent, why did he say that, he's a liar, back to using cliches". You can criticize, I can counter (or attempt to) you critique, and we can talk football. If the comment (just in general not you) is "what a dumb accent" I can't really discuss that in a football sense.
I thought the standard turn around time for the rebuilding of the OL for the Giants was 8 years? |
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 11, 2021 11:36:59 GMT -5
To be fair, right now they have no depth. DG has to bring in at least two guys that can actually play and don't mind running sprints every once in a while. We should wait for some live bullets to fly, I agree with him on that....as respects the starters. However, the frightening non existence of capable depth on the OL belongs to him as does the assessment in the off-season/draft that our OL was in good enough shape. He owns it lock stock and barrel just as JR owned it when he proclaimed that "the talent is there on the OL, it's up to the coaches to bring it out." Most of us can smell BS at 110 yards. I admit to now having a knot in my stomach regarding the OL. I have moved from mild concern to flat out worry. I am no Gettleman fan, but in his defense the depth was looking fine until Looney and Fulton retired. |
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Post by Roswell on Aug 11, 2021 11:42:37 GMT -5
He must be feeling his oats as of late. He’s back to his cliches. Can we win more than we lose? How do you like them apples? I'd like to try that on for size. I'll buy that for a dollar. |
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Post by McCherry on Aug 11, 2021 11:52:31 GMT -5
We should wait for some live bullets to fly, I agree with him on that....as respects the starters. However, the frightening non existence of capable depth on the OL belongs to him as does the assessment in the off-season/draft that our OL was in good enough shape. He owns it lock stock and barrel just as JR owned it when he proclaimed that "the talent is there on the OL, it's up to the coaches to bring it out." Most of us can smell BS at 110 yards. I admit to now having a knot in my stomach regarding the OL. I have moved from mild concern to flat out worry. I am no Gettleman fan, but in his defense the depth was looking fine until Looney and Fulton retired. Players are retiring all around the league. The Raiders had 3 retirements their first week of camp, the Titans have had 2 free agents retire. Patrick Robinson just announced his retirement. As Dave said, Covid is still a prominent risk through the league, veteran players who have made a lot of money in their careers are weighing the risks and deciding it’s not worth it. |
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Post by thetruth on Aug 11, 2021 12:00:26 GMT -5
He must be feeling his oats as of late. He’s back to his cliches. Can we win more than we lose? How do you like them apples? DG hasnt eaten oats since the summer of 67' |
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Post by Jomo on Aug 11, 2021 12:07:08 GMT -5
I couldn't care less about DGs excuses. lol, I am more or less a fan of his.
However, the OL has been a disaster since Seubert, Snee, O'hara etal.
They have been a disaster through 2 GMs.
DG promised to fix that once and for all 3 years ago, not six months ago.
All we have to show for it is one promising LT but nothing certain.
Interesting LG, C nothing certain with either of them.
RG who has not fulfilled his promise as pro big question mark.
RT who is a project from a small (football) school that turned out the likes of Beatty backed up by a mediocre veteran who has performed poorly since arriving.
That is a pretty shitty body of work for a guy who said it was the first order of business 3 years ago.
So hearing about how "guys are retiring everywhere in the aftermath of COVID" bounces off me.
Where was he before COVID and what is his response now. That is all I care about.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 11, 2021 12:11:42 GMT -5
He deserves every bit of criticism for this mess of an O line. Maybe I should start posting articles discussing how bad the O line was last year as a reminder as to why DG gets criticized as often as he does. You can post anything you want. I try to post articles as they pop up and ones that aren't already posted.
My comment was not about DG getting criticized for his failure to produce a good OL, it was about how every time he opens his mouth people are like "this dude sounds stupid with his accent, why did he say that, he's a liar, back to using cliches". You can criticize, I can counter (or attempt to) you critique, and we can talk football. If the comment (just in general not you) is "what a dumb accent" I can't really discuss that in a football sense.
LOL I could care less about his accent or what he says to fans, I did appreciate in one of his pre draft pressers he said we are not always right. They are not pulling the plug on this youth movement, as I said the problem seems to be more in the stability in the coaching ranks including changing system to changing OL coaches that is not conducive to OL play period, this includes both staffs Hal Hunter please man can't get a job next we had the merry go round of coaches, these kid deserve and are gonna get a chance to be the line of the future, and the Giants are gonna give this OL coaching crew from Flats to Sale a chance to stabilize what has been a mess since they fired Flats to quell Ereck Flowers concerns. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 11, 2021 12:17:50 GMT -5
I couldn't care less about DGs excuses. lol, I am more or less a fan of his. However, the OL has been a disaster since Seubert, Snee, O'hara etal. They have been a disaster through 2 GMs. DG promised to fix that once and for all 3 years ago, not six months ago. All we have to show for it is one promising LT but nothing certain. Interesting LG, C nothing certain with either of them. RG who has not fulfilled his promise as pro big question mark. RT who is a project from a small (football) school that turned out the likes of Beatty backed up by a mediocre veteran who has performed poorly since arriving. That is a pretty shitty body of work for a guy who said it was the first order of business 3 years ago. So hearing about how "guys are retiring everywhere in the aftermath of COVID" bounces off me. Where was he before COVID and what is his response now. That is all I care about. Exactly I don't care what he says at this point his job lives or dies by this OL, I'm all for keeping it young if the other 4 build a solid year and grow I can live with replacing Hernandez and getting some young comp in here next draft, but they have to show they can be a solid NFL OL might take a few games maybe it won't but it better happen, you can't win with a subpar OL. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 11, 2021 12:39:48 GMT -5
On the OL "Can we please get in pads and play a game? Can we try that on for size?”
And attack DG in 3...2...1...
He deserves every bit of criticism for this mess of an O line. Maybe I should start posting articles discussing how bad the O line was last year as a reminder as to why DG gets criticized as often as he does. Interesting that our young Oline improved as the year progressed last year and you see it as mess without them even taking a snap. Losing Looney and Fulton is on Dave for sure but let’s see who he picks up before we write the book on this season. |
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 11, 2021 12:43:29 GMT -5
I thought the standard turn around time for the rebuilding of the OL for the Giants was 8 years? Seems we win a SB when ever we have a good OL and we win a SB once per decade so I'd say the standard is 10 years +/- 2 years. So we are in the sweet spot. |
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 11, 2021 12:45:55 GMT -5
Interesting that our young Oline improved as the year progressed last year and you see it as mess without them even taking a snap. Losing Looney and Fulton is on Dave for sure but let’s see who he picks up before we write the book on this season. No, PFF had us ranked worst in the league. It does not matter that they played obviously better the second half of the year. Also not mattering are 3 rookies, first time C, new HC, new OC, new system, no offseason, no preseason. Those are just excuses, PFF has us as the worst. |
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Post by giantsmets on Aug 11, 2021 12:53:16 GMT -5
Definition of insanity: cut the best player by far on a terrible offensive line and make no additions....
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Post by Jomo on Aug 11, 2021 12:59:06 GMT -5
I couldn't care less about DGs excuses. lol, I am more or less a fan of his. However, the OL has been a disaster since Seubert, Snee, O'hara etal. They have been a disaster through 2 GMs. DG promised to fix that once and for all 3 years ago, not six months ago. All we have to show for it is one promising LT but nothing certain. Interesting LG, C nothing certain with either of them. RG who has not fulfilled his promise as pro big question mark. RT who is a project from a small (football) school that turned out the likes of Beatty backed up by a mediocre veteran who has performed poorly since arriving. That is a pretty shitty body of work for a guy who said it was the first order of business 3 years ago. So hearing about how "guys are retiring everywhere in the aftermath of COVID" bounces off me. Where was he before COVID and what is his response now. That is all I care about. Exactly I don't care what he says at this point his job lives or dies by this OL, I'm all for keeping it young if the other 4 build a solid year and grow I can live with replacing Hernandez and getting some young comp in here next draft, but they have to show they can be a solid NFL OL might take a few games maybe it won't but it better happen, you can't win with a subpar OL. All of this is spot on. The youth on the OL comes with considerable risk. Not a single person in that starting 5 can be considered a slam dunk top NFL OL. To think that 5 out of 5 will emerge as real pros seems unrealistic but he owns them all and should know how likely that is. The depth is at a stage where we can't even have an opinion because it doesn't exist. That is a very thin line to walk down but at least we know at this stage of DGs return. He owns it. All accolades to him if this turns out great (which I away hope for) and his dismissal after the season if it implodes which is not out of the realm of possibility. Let's hope for the best. |
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Post by McCherry on Aug 11, 2021 13:02:23 GMT -5
Interesting that our young Oline improved as the year progressed last year and you see it as mess without them even taking a snap. Losing Looney and Fulton is on Dave for sure but let’s see who he picks up before we write the book on this season. No, PFF had us ranked worst in the league. It does not matter that they played obviously better the second half of the year. Also not mattering are 3 rookies, first time C, new HC, new OC, new system, no offseason, no preseason. Those are just excuses, PFF has us as the worst. I would fully expect that an offensive line with 3 rookies and a first year starter at a new position would rank at the bottom, or even last. Improvement is the only thing I'm looking for. Not an overall grade skewed by the first part of the season. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 11, 2021 13:09:04 GMT -5
Exactly I don't care what he says at this point his job lives or dies by this OL, I'm all for keeping it young if the other 4 build a solid year and grow I can live with replacing Hernandez and getting some young comp in here next draft, but they have to show they can be a solid NFL OL might take a few games maybe it won't but it better happen, you can't win with a subpar OL. All of this is spot on. The youth on the OL comes with considerable risk. Not a single person in that starting 5 can be considered a slam dunk top NFL OL. To think that 5 out of 5 will emerge as real pros seems unrealistic but he owns them all and should know how likely that is. The depth is at a stage where we can't even have an opinion because it doesn't exist. That is a very thin line to walk down but at least we know at this stage of DGs return. He owns it. All accolades to him if this turns out great (which I away hope for) and his dismissal after the season if it implodes which is not out of the realm of possibility. Let's hope for the best. My Hope is for 3 to be pretty good players hopefully the 2 tackles and Gates, hoping for Lemieux to be serviceable at worst same with Hernandez they can bring in comp for Lemieux next year and replace Hernandez if necessary or keep him as depth at the right price. 3 solid guys will get you where you need to go for now very few OLs are solid across the board. |
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