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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Dec 11, 2023 18:20:16 GMT -5
Someone explain this deferral shit to me. So for 10 years he’s actually under contract he only counts 2m per season?
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Post by Analyst on Dec 15, 2023 13:44:45 GMT -5
Someone explain this deferral shit to me. So for 10 years he’s actually under contract he only counts 2m per season? From 2024-2033, he gets paid $2M a year and counts $2M against the salary cap (not that it matters since in MLB there is no cap), but it allows the Dodgers to use that other $68M per season to buy other FAs and fill out the roster. Then he gets $68M from 2034-2043 even if he isnt on the team anymore, and counts against the teams cap. Its basically an distorted version of Bobby Bo's contract with the Mets. I beleive this is why he got $700M. Otherwise if it was truly a 10 year contract, it would have been more closer to $500M for the entire thing. So he basically got $200M in interest. And he wants to win bad so he was the one who offered it to the Dodgers. I think Ros was saying there is basically an escrow with this, of about $44M per year, that will be paid to go towards the future cap hits when the money gets insane to make sure it is covered. Thats the complicated part of this. Not sure of the exact details there. Either way, the Dodgers basically Bill Belechick-ed the system. I expect many other high priced FA deals to start doing the same thing, although maybe not as extreme. It could really ruin the game though, and make it even more lopsided as far as top heavy spending teams vs low ballers.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Dec 15, 2023 14:38:09 GMT -5
Someone explain this deferral shit to me. So for 10 years he’s actually under contract he only counts 2m per season? From 2024-2033, he gets paid $2M a year and counts $2M against the salary cap (not that it matters since in MLB there is no cap), but it allows the Dodgers to use that other $68M per season to buy other FAs and fill out the roster. Then he gets $68M from 2034-2043 even if he isnt on the team anymore, and counts against the teams cap. It’s basically a distorted version of Bobby Bo's contract with the Mets. I beleive this is why he got $700M. Otherwise if it was truly a 10 year contract, it would have been more closer to $500M for the entire thing. So he basically got $200M in interest. And he wants to win bad so he was the one who offered it to the Dodgers. I think Ros was saying there is basically an escrow with this, of about $44M per year, that will be paid to go towards the future cap hits when the money gets insane to make sure it is covered. Thats the complicated part of this. Not sure of the exact details there. Either way, the Dodgers basically Bill Belechick-ed the system. I expect many other high priced FA deals to start doing the same thing, although maybe not as extreme. It could really ruin the game though, and make it even more lopsided as far as top heavy spending teams vs low ballers. But aren’t you essentially circumventing the luxury tax penalties which is really the advantage?
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Post by Analyst on Dec 15, 2023 14:43:59 GMT -5
From 2024-2033, he gets paid $2M a year and counts $2M against the salary cap (not that it matters since in MLB there is no cap), but it allows the Dodgers to use that other $68M per season to buy other FAs and fill out the roster. Then he gets $68M from 2034-2043 even if he isnt on the team anymore, and counts against the teams cap. It’s basically a distorted version of Bobby Bo's contract with the Mets. I beleive this is why he got $700M. Otherwise if it was truly a 10 year contract, it would have been more closer to $500M for the entire thing. So he basically got $200M in interest. And he wants to win bad so he was the one who offered it to the Dodgers. I think Ros was saying there is basically an escrow with this, of about $44M per year, that will be paid to go towards the future cap hits when the money gets insane to make sure it is covered. Thats the complicated part of this. Not sure of the exact details there. Either way, the Dodgers basically Bill Belechick-ed the system. I expect many other high priced FA deals to start doing the same thing, although maybe not as extreme. It could really ruin the game though, and make it even more lopsided as far as top heavy spending teams vs low ballers. But aren’t you essentially circumventing the luxury tax penalties which is really the advantage? I think the Dodgers are already past the threshold but Id have to double check. EDIT: Dodgers have as of now, $251M on payroll. "The first threshold for competitive balance tax in 2024 is $237 million. As a team that paid the tax in each of 2021, 2022, and 2023, the Dodgers are subject to the highest tax rates should the exceed any of the four thresholds, which are $20 million apart. The Dodgers would pay 50 percent in tax for the first $20 million, 62 percent for the next $20 million, 95 percent for the next $20 million, and 110 percent of anything over $297 million."Just like the Yankees, the Dodgers do not have to worry at all about the tax penalties.
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 16, 2023 7:44:03 GMT -5
From 2024-2033, he gets paid $2M a year and counts $2M against the salary cap (not that it matters since in MLB there is no cap), but it allows the Dodgers to use that other $68M per season to buy other FAs and fill out the roster. Then he gets $68M from 2034-2043 even if he isnt on the team anymore, and counts against the teams cap. It’s basically a distorted version of Bobby Bo's contract with the Mets. I beleive this is why he got $700M. Otherwise if it was truly a 10 year contract, it would have been more closer to $500M for the entire thing. So he basically got $200M in interest. And he wants to win bad so he was the one who offered it to the Dodgers. I think Ros was saying there is basically an escrow with this, of about $44M per year, that will be paid to go towards the future cap hits when the money gets insane to make sure it is covered. Thats the complicated part of this. Not sure of the exact details there. Either way, the Dodgers basically Bill Belechick-ed the system. I expect many other high priced FA deals to start doing the same thing, although maybe not as extreme. It could really ruin the game though, and make it even more lopsided as far as top heavy spending teams vs low ballers. But aren’t you essentially circumventing the luxury tax penalties which is really the advantage? its not outside the rules, so just creative manipulation...
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Post by Analyst on Mar 21, 2024 8:54:03 GMT -5
So, on top of the manipulation on the $700M deal, Ohtani now could be involved in a big time illegal gambling operation. This story is so weird. His interpreter has now changed his story saying Ohtani didnt pay off his debts... Juicy story. Lots of questions to be answered. MLB will do ANYTHING to make this one go away. All speculation at this point, but why would someone he says is his best friend steal $4.5M+ from him? Is this really Ohtani's debt he is covering for? And apparently it was all done illegally by a bookie. Illegal in California. I wonder how hard MLB will investigate. sports.yahoo.com/shohei-ohtani-interpreter-scandal-piecing-together-the-confusing-timeline-based-on-what-weve-been-told-so-far-014454049.html
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Mar 21, 2024 12:25:37 GMT -5
They will be desperate to cover this up.
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Post by Fletch842 on Mar 21, 2024 14:49:54 GMT -5
They will be desperate to cover this up. unlike the A-Rod HTG fiasco, where they turned over every stone to get him, they are currently not investigating this one. So much for integrity...
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Mar 22, 2024 17:29:33 GMT -5
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Post by Analyst on Mar 22, 2024 18:47:06 GMT -5
They have to make sure on this one. If he is guilty, this is the new age Babe Ruth, no exaggeration, getting busted for gambling. Even if it wasnt on baseball, which would be really shocking it wasnt if this is true, it was still through an illegal bookie in California. Crazy....
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Mar 22, 2024 18:58:45 GMT -5
They have to make sure on this one. If he is guilty, this is the new age Babe Ruth, no exaggeration, getting busted for gambling. Even if it wasnt on baseball, which would be really shocking it wasnt if this is true, it was still through an illegal bookie in California. Crazy.... Could you imagine him being suspended for life? Imagine that combined with Yammamoto being fully pedestrian. I would heartily enjoy that at the Dodgers expense. Can’t lie.
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Post by DandyDon on Mar 22, 2024 19:09:25 GMT -5
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Post by Dezzr on Mar 25, 2024 14:40:15 GMT -5
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Mar 25, 2024 15:28:28 GMT -5
Not a press conference a prepared statement and no questions. And that my friends is called 100% defense mode.
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Post by Fletch842 on Mar 25, 2024 16:37:46 GMT -5
I bet this is pretty close to reality...
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Post by Analyst on Mar 25, 2024 19:28:50 GMT -5
Not a press conference a prepared statement and no questions. And that my friends is called 100% defense mode. I missed it, did he have an interpreter? lol
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Mar 25, 2024 20:25:30 GMT -5
Not a press conference a prepared statement and no questions. And that my friends is called 100% defense mode. I missed it, did he have an interpreter? lol I didn’t watch it. That was stated before it happened. He’s a victim that had. zero idea. Imagine that. How much are they paying that guy to take the fall?
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