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Post by rbe40 on Feb 4, 2022 11:59:36 GMT -5
Strong has a metal rod and pins in his leg. Reason , he was not recruited by colleges. He is a high risk , a traditional pocket passer. He hasn't really stood out in Senior Bowl practices either. Atleast the sources I have read the last 3 days. Game tape >>> Senior Bowl practices His tape is OUTSTANDING. I see next to no flaws.
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Post by fifthavephil on Feb 4, 2022 12:36:39 GMT -5
Strong has a metal rod and pins in his leg. Reason , he was not recruited by colleges. He is a high risk , a traditional pocket passer. He hasn't really stood out in Senior Bowl practices either. Atleast the sources I have read the last 3 days. If, it wasn’t for his leg problem. Strong , would definitely be drafted somewhere in the first round.
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Post by bluebuddha on Feb 4, 2022 12:51:37 GMT -5
He hasn't really stood out in Senior Bowl practices either. Atleast the sources I have read the last 3 days. Game tape >>> Senior Bowl practices His tape is OUTSTANDING. I see next to no flaws. I haven't seem enough of him but the fact he is not standing out among peers with NFL coaching has me thinking can he pick up a NFL offense. I like him but day 2 or later.
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Post by knixknation on Feb 4, 2022 13:04:21 GMT -5
I've scouted every QB from Pickett to Zappe. While you cannot guarantee that any prospect doesn't have an magical awakening when he goes to the NFL, there is nothing that I've seen from any of this year's class that would be worth anything higher than a 5th round flyer. Strong has a very good arm, and put up quality numbers at Nevada in an offense that had him throw a ton... but he's statuesque. He may be in the same conference as Allen, but Allen has a better arm, is bigger (broader), and can run significantly more. This best we can expect from any QB in this class is as a back up.
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Post by rbe40 on Feb 4, 2022 13:22:37 GMT -5
Game tape >>> Senior Bowl practices His tape is OUTSTANDING. I see next to no flaws. I haven't seem enough of him but the fact he is not standing out among peers with NFL coaching has me thinking can he pick up a NFL offense. I like him but day 2 or later.
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Post by rbe40 on Feb 4, 2022 13:33:44 GMT -5
Game 1 22/39 312 yards 2 TD's and 1 INT The problem for me is that I need to see him face a team that can pressure him in the pocket. Pressure right up the middle, he stands tall, takes the hit, and still delivers a strike downfield I've seen him make a ton of NFL throws under duress. His awareness and pocket manipulation is outstanding.
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Post by rbe40 on Feb 4, 2022 13:35:24 GMT -5
Game 1 22/39 312 yards 2 TD's and 1 INT The problem for me is that I need to see him face a team that can pressure him in the pocket. Problem is ,is he facing a team that can pressure the pocket this year Pressure right up the middle, he stands tall, takes the hit, and delivers a 45 yard pass on the money
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Post by allnygin on Feb 4, 2022 13:39:49 GMT -5
I guess one thing to keep in mind is that QBs like Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes qbs that the new coaching staff have worked with were really not considered slam dunk QBs either coming out of the draft...
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Post by bluebuddha on Feb 4, 2022 14:05:55 GMT -5
I guess one thing to keep in mind is that QBs like Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes qbs that the new coaching staff have worked with were really not considered slam dunk QBs either coming out of the draft... Trubisky and Bortles were in this group too. It's a crap shoot at the end of the day because the QB has so many intangibles that are quantified differently and even change depending on the team they end up on.
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Post by rbe40 on Feb 4, 2022 15:54:13 GMT -5
I guess one thing to keep in mind is that QBs like Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes qbs that the new coaching staff have worked with were really not considered slam dunk QBs either coming out of the draft... Trubisky and Bortles were in this group too. It's a crap shoot at the end of the day because the QB has so many intangibles that are quantified differently and even change depending on the team they end up on. "Intangibles", huh? Exactly. Guess who has the best intangibles among all the QBs? (Best Tangibles as well) Carson Strong.
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Post by Sarcasman on Feb 4, 2022 16:39:20 GMT -5
I've scouted every QB from Pickett to Zappe. While you cannot guarantee that any prospect doesn't have an magical awakening when he goes to the NFL, there is nothing that I've seen from any of this year's class that would be worth anything higher than a 5th round flyer. Strong has a very good arm, and put up quality numbers at Nevada in an offense that had him throw a ton... but he's statuesque. He may be in the same conference as Allen, but Allen has a better arm, is bigger (broader), and can run significantly more. This best we can expect from any QB in this class is as a back up. That doesn't exist in the NFL. A crap QB class just means that least crappy gets hyped into the top 10 of the first round. You can't sustain months of 24/7 draft drivel without talking about QBs.
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Post by bluebuddha on Feb 4, 2022 19:44:24 GMT -5
Trubisky and Bortles were in this group too. It's a crap shoot at the end of the day because the QB has so many intangibles that are quantified differently and even change depending on the team they end up on. "Intangibles", huh? Exactly. Guess who has the best intangibles among all the QBs? (Best Tangibles as well) Carson Strong. I get. Before the season was over I was targeting Carson in the 3rd or 4th rd for the Giants. I still have Carson but Wills and Ridder have moved ahead because I am hoping with Schoen the DG measurements criteria might not be as strict. Also our oline still sucks Ridder and Willis are far more mobile and compatible evading the rush. For some reason I think Schoen is looking for a modern QB that can run also to put more pressure on Defenses and open up a new section of the playbook for the offense.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Mar 1, 2022 12:23:46 GMT -5
I see someone just jumped on the Strong Wagon....
I never get credit for my ideas on here...lol
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 1, 2022 13:10:22 GMT -5
I see someone just jumped on the Strong Wagon.... I never get credit for my ideas on here...lol This guy is borderline troll He thinks we need to take this guy at 5,and anyone who disagrees with him he throws insults at This is the same guy who created the Gettlemagic thread amongst other things
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Post by imgrate on Mar 1, 2022 13:22:04 GMT -5
I see someone just jumped on the Strong Wagon.... I never get credit for my ideas on here...lol This guy is borderline troll He thinks we need to take this guy at 5,and anyone who disagrees with him he throws insults at This is the same guy who created the Gettlemagic thread amongst other things I think I'm in the minority, but I like that rbe has a different take and confidence in it. Do I agree with his takes? Not often, but I do believe that he believes in those takes and isn't purposefully making up a take to get a rise out of people (aka he's not a troll or a skip Bayless) I think we need more posters like that on the forums, especially in the draft section, it makes it alot more fun. Also, just looked through the first two pages of the Carson Strong thread and while people did think his take was outlandish, rbe didn't throw any insults, atleast not initially from what I saw. Basically what I'm saying is, GL you need to stop trying to cancel rbe40
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Post by Blue Hulk on Mar 1, 2022 14:26:14 GMT -5
I see someone just jumped on the Strong Wagon.... I never get credit for my ideas on here...lol This guy is borderline troll He thinks we need to take this guy at 5,and anyone who disagrees with him he throws insults at This is the same guy who created the Gettlemagic thread amongst other things If he feels that strongly, why did he not post in my thread...hahaha What's funny is strong stunk up the Senior Bowl and most people are down on him that have never seen him play. I watched his entire season and he will be OK. His floor is Drew Locke. His ceiling is Josh Allen,,,lol...no trolling.
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 1, 2022 19:05:18 GMT -5
This guy is borderline troll He thinks we need to take this guy at 5,and anyone who disagrees with him he throws insults at This is the same guy who created the Gettlemagic thread amongst other things I think I'm in the minority, but I like that rbe has a different take and confidence in it. Do I agree with his takes? Not often, but I do believe that he believes in those takes and isn't purposefully making up a take to get a rise out of people (aka he's not a troll or a skip Bayless) I think we need more posters like that on the forums, especially in the draft section, it makes it alot more fun. Also, just looked through the first two pages of the Carson Strong thread and while people did think his take was outlandish, rbe didn't throw any insults, atleast not initially from what I saw. Basically what I'm saying is, GL you need to stop trying to cancel rbe40 Honestly if you read his responses to everyone that doesn't agree with him (most of them ending "you don't know a thing about football "when overwhelming evidence from his posts will say he is the one like this....(like he just did to Blue Hulk in the other thread )...he is basically canceling himself ...
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Post by rbe40 on Mar 1, 2022 19:26:22 GMT -5
I see someone just jumped on the Strong Wagon.... I never get credit for my ideas on here...lol This guy is borderline troll He thinks we need to take this guy at 5,and anyone who disagrees with him he throws insults at This is the same guy who created the Gettlemagic thread amongst other things Because after all, everyone knows that taking a red-chip Right Tackle, or taking a pass-rusher in a Pass Offense-driven NFL that devalues defense, with the #5 overall pick - will move the needle for the NY Giants franchise more than drafting a legit Franchise QB who is a cross between Big Ben and Carson Palmer.
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Post by rbe40 on Mar 1, 2022 19:30:31 GMT -5
This guy is borderline troll He thinks we need to take this guy at 5,and anyone who disagrees with him he throws insults at This is the same guy who created the Gettlemagic thread amongst other things If he feels that strongly, why did he not post in my thread...hahaha What's funny is strong stunk up the Senior Bowl and most people are down on him that have never seen him play. I watched his entire season and he will be OK. His floor is Drew Locke. His ceiling is Josh Allen,,,lol...no trolling. Strong's "ceiling" is Big Ben with higher football IQ. The mobility and outside-the-pocket playmaking isn't close to Josh Allen, so that's a ridiculous comparison. Nobody on this planet has ever had a ceiling higher than Josh "Unicorn" Allen. Highest ceiling in NFL history.
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Post by TEM on Mar 2, 2022 7:29:52 GMT -5
They are hyping a mediocre QB in a sub-par QB class. This is a penny stock class being touted as the next get rich quick scheme.
QBs are the most over hyped players in the draft. This class is way way over hyped.
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Post by imgrate on Mar 2, 2022 8:58:00 GMT -5
I think I'm in the minority, but I like that rbe has a different take and confidence in it. Do I agree with his takes? Not often, but I do believe that he believes in those takes and isn't purposefully making up a take to get a rise out of people (aka he's not a troll or a skip Bayless) I think we need more posters like that on the forums, especially in the draft section, it makes it alot more fun. Also, just looked through the first two pages of the Carson Strong thread and while people did think his take was outlandish, rbe didn't throw any insults, atleast not initially from what I saw. Basically what I'm saying is, GL you need to stop trying to cancel rbe40 Honestly if you read his responses to everyone that doesn't agree with him (most of them ending "you don't know a thing about football "when overwhelming evidence from his posts will say he is the one like this....(like he just did to Blue Hulk in the other thread )...he is basically canceling himself ... I can see that. Mostly dismissive instead of constructive conversations for whatever reason. I guess consider this as me trying to bridge the gap. I enjoy the different opinions, maybe rbe will see this and respond and change it up a little bit in future discussions. Hope you will too, GL, because it could get even more interesting here!
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 2, 2022 10:24:40 GMT -5
I've scouted every QB from Pickett to Zappe. While you cannot guarantee that any prospect doesn't have an magical awakening when he goes to the NFL, there is nothing that I've seen from any of this year's class that would be worth anything higher than a 5th round flyer. Strong has a very good arm, and put up quality numbers at Nevada in an offense that had him throw a ton... but he's statuesque. He may be in the same conference as Allen, but Allen has a better arm, is bigger (broader), and can run significantly more. This best we can expect from any QB in this class is as a back up. I think you will see a starter shake out of this bunch. I think if Pickett goes to Pittsburgh or Indy he would have a good shot at succeeding. Corral has some talent just not enough to wow. Willis has the insane athletic ability and strong arm, but lacks fundamentals. Strong, I haven't seen enough of I guess to make a stance, but from what I did see is typical 1990 style QB. Big tall strong arm statue. Not sure it will play in todays game.
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Post by rbe40 on Mar 3, 2022 14:11:16 GMT -5
I've scouted every QB from Pickett to Zappe. While you cannot guarantee that any prospect doesn't have an magical awakening when he goes to the NFL, there is nothing that I've seen from any of this year's class that would be worth anything higher than a 5th round flyer. Strong has a very good arm, and put up quality numbers at Nevada in an offense that had him throw a ton... but he's statuesque. He may be in the same conference as Allen, but Allen has a better arm, is bigger (broader), and can run significantly more. This best we can expect from any QB in this class is as a back up. I think you will see a starter shake out of this bunch. I think if Pickett goes to Pittsburgh or Indy he would have a good shot at succeeding. Corral has some talent just not enough to wow. Willis has the insane athletic ability and strong arm, but lacks fundamentals. Strong, I haven't seen enough of I guess to make a stance, but from what I did see is typical 1990 style QB. Big tall strong arm statue. Not sure it will play in todays game. Best pocket movement skills / pocket manipulation in the entire draft class. Number One. The latest Super Bowl was between Stafford and Burrow....2 guys with the same level of mobility as Strong. Your opinions are consistently the worst on this forum and it's not even close.
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Post by rbe40 on Mar 3, 2022 14:21:08 GMT -5
bucsreport.com/2022/02/11/2022-draft-profile-carson-strong/
"The first thing that was easily recognizable is his rare ability to hit a backside out route. It felt like every time the opposite side corner was playing off, he would have his receiver run an out for an easy reception. This is an area of the field that defenses are not used to defending, even in the NFL only a few guys have mastered this ability. This will force defenses to play the whole field and could open up more passing lanes.
Strong also was very “clutch” down the stretch and almost seemed to be carrying his team in games (Fresno St, San Diego State, San Jose State). He’s also seems immune to the pressure of the blitz. When he is blitzed, he’s able to light it up. The California Bears seemed to think since Strong is immobile, he wouldn’t be able to face a blitz, and he proved them wrong very quickly. He is able to stand tall in the pocket and is surprisingly patient when working against a blitz. "
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Post by rbe40 on Mar 3, 2022 14:41:24 GMT -5
In a strictly Red-Chip draft with 0 Blue-chip prospects, the Giants must select Carson Strong #5 overall. Bonafide NFL Franchise QB.
No other pick besides Strong makes any sense or moves the needle. A red-chip Right Tackle does absolutely nothing for this franchise. A red-chip edge rusher in a Pass-Offense league that devalues defense, does nothing for this franchise.
Draft this guy at #5. Just do it. Don't overthink this one.
He's either going #5 to the Giants or #6 to the Panthers.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 3, 2022 14:43:58 GMT -5
I think you will see a starter shake out of this bunch. I think if Pickett goes to Pittsburgh or Indy he would have a good shot at succeeding. Corral has some talent just not enough to wow. Willis has the insane athletic ability and strong arm, but lacks fundamentals. Strong, I haven't seen enough of I guess to make a stance, but from what I did see is typical 1990 style QB. Big tall strong arm statue. Not sure it will play in todays game. Best pocket movement skills / pocket manipulation in the entire draft class. Number One. The latest Super Bowl was between Stafford and Burrow....2 guys with the same level of mobility as Strong. Your opinions are consistently the worst on this forum and it's not even close. Wait, aren't you that Gettlemagic moron? How did that work out for you? And the one who said losing Tomlinson wouldn't hurt because we had Danny Shelton plugging the middle? The one who said we don't need pass rushers off the edge last year? The one who said Golladay would be a great endzone threat? I guess not everyone can be as wise as you mighty prophet. Enjoy licking those windows.
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 3, 2022 14:46:18 GMT -5
Best pocket movement skills / pocket manipulation in the entire draft class. Number One. The latest Super Bowl was between Stafford and Burrow....2 guys with the same level of mobility as Strong. Your opinions are consistently the worst on this forum and it's not even close. Wait, aren't you that Gettlemagic moron? How did that work out for you? And the one who said losing Tomlinson wouldn't hurt because we had Danny Shelton plugging the middle? The one who said we don't need pass rushers off the edge last year? The one who said Golladay would be a great endzone threat? I guess not everyone can be as wise as you mighty prophet. Enjoy licking those windows. Baahaaaaaahahaaaaaaa. 10/10
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Post by rbe40 on Mar 3, 2022 14:47:42 GMT -5
Best pocket movement skills / pocket manipulation in the entire draft class. Number One. The latest Super Bowl was between Stafford and Burrow....2 guys with the same level of mobility as Strong. Your opinions are consistently the worst on this forum and it's not even close. Wait, aren't you that Gettlemagic moron? How did that work out for you? And the one who said losing Tomlinson wouldn't hurt because we had Danny Shelton plugging the middle? The one who said we don't need pass rushers off the edge last year? The one who said Golladay would be a great endzone threat? I guess not everyone can be as wise as you mighty prophet. Enjoy licking those windows. "We already have a great Running Back.....Paul Perkins" - The Analyst Tomlinson was invisible on the Minnesota Vikings. Nobody heard his name called this entire year, not one time. He did nothing. A complete waste of a FA signing who made 0 impact on his new team. The Giants edge rushers were not an issue in 2021 whatsoever. Let's see how Golloday does in Brian Daboll's offense first before writing him off.
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Post by rbe40 on Mar 3, 2022 14:52:45 GMT -5
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 3, 2022 17:05:13 GMT -5
Honestly if you read his responses to everyone that doesn't agree with him (most of them ending "you don't know a thing about football "when overwhelming evidence from his posts will say he is the one like this....(like he just did to Blue Hulk in the other thread )...he is basically canceling himself ... I can see that. Mostly dismissive instead of constructive conversations for whatever reason. I guess consider this as me trying to bridge the gap. I enjoy the different opinions, maybe rbe will see this and respond and change it up a little bit in future discussions. Hope you will too, GL, because it could get even more interesting here! Yeah This page of this thread tells you my take about him is correct Respect is meant to be earned So is abuse thegiantsboard.proboards.com/thread/10589/carson-strong-5-pick-nyg?page=6#post-643152This is why useless troll is fitting
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