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Post by redeyejedi on Sept 8, 2021 6:04:12 GMT -5
More Gettleman malpractice ... passes on Slater in the draft and finds out a few months later that Peart isn't the answer. Cue the excuse-makers in 3...2...1... Why would you want a scheme diverse and positional flexible Offensive Lineman? Come on man, that would be a waste of a pick.
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Post by TEM on Sept 8, 2021 6:09:32 GMT -5
Oh please stop with the dramatics. No one is being marched to their death. You knew the players on this team, now they announce the depth chart made up of the players you knew we had for 5 months and "OMG we are doomed, this is out death". Who did you expect they would announce was starting? Umm … the guy they handed the job to and based their draft strategy on their evaluation of his readiness to start at RT? Solder has played RT before, So yeah I would think that was part of the conversation. The way Pert played in the preseason . He has no business being on the field. Pert is still in the development stage. (pick 99) The Cardinals are using Josh Jones as a swing OT (pick 72) The Chiefs may have a big problem with their RT Lucas Niang ( pick 96) . Who has yet to take an NFL snap. The 3rd round OTs from the 2020 draft.
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Post by TEM on Sept 8, 2021 6:11:57 GMT -5
Pert is unplayable and he appeared that way in the preseason. He could not block a mosquito with a screen. Solder is the only choice they have. Peart gave up as many sacks as Solder in preseason. One. His guy was in the QBs face every play . What games were you watching? The right side of that line was a train wreck with Peart in there. Shane Lemieux may be a problem . He did not take one snap in a preseason game. He was turnstile last year. We may have cut better players. Did he improve in the off-season at o-line camp. No one knows. Not even the coaches According to the staff Wiggins was good in practice. They kept him in with the # 1s throughout camp. Real game speed was a completely different story.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 6:26:12 GMT -5
Picking Slater is looking more and more like the correct draft choice.. Really would like to see Toney be a force and next years 1st round pick also but if this oline still sucks then does it really matter..
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Post by OrangeGiant on Sept 8, 2021 6:44:38 GMT -5
Maybe Solder has just outplayed him and earned the spot. Maybe it's more of Solder playing well than Peart not. Maybe that's wishful thinking... Peart was viewed more of as a player who needed more development coming out of the draft so obviously he's just not there yet. 16 or 17 months since he was drafted. How much seasoning does a real player need? Nothing against Peart just trying to remember an OT who emerged in a meaningful way in year 3 or 4. Yeah, honestly I don't know. In today's NFL if you are not starting and contributing almost immediately, you are labeled a bust. There seems to be little patience for a player to develop anymore. A lot of that is probably because so many more players come into the NFL ready to start and play, more than in the past it seems.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 7:17:21 GMT -5
Sorry, it's not a victory dance to watch a buffoon lead my team into the ground. More like a death march. Oh please stop with the dramatics. No one is being marched to their death. You knew the players on this team, now they announce the depth chart made up of the players you knew we had for 5 months and "OMG we are doomed, this is out death". Who did you expect they would announce was starting? The NY Giants did not draft a single offensive linemen in last years draft. We heard Gettleman wants to play the rookies/young players, as he was quoted, and Nate Solder, whom is gone after this year, has just outplayed Peart enough to garner a starting job. This is unsettling ....because it's crap Solder and Peart was thought to have become the starting RT...as said by Gettleman...the GM whom also failed to not only draft Slater, but ignore the entire line for the entire draft. I heard the M&M's declare loudly after we passed on any OL....the NY Giants are happy with what they have. Now we realize, that happiness was again...wrong. Thomas, Solder and the worst pass pro guard last year....this should be a fun year....a death march for Jones as aptly said by TCOF.
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Post by bluebuddha on Sept 8, 2021 7:17:31 GMT -5
I am not sure I'd put and NFL inexperienced dumbass back there at the moment. A guy who can't get the right size shoe on his feet should not be entrusted with the decision of what to do with a ball 6 yards deep in the end zone. We have enough catastrophic turnovers without that. Peppers versus a rook in the first game of the season doesn’t see like a tough call - go with the safe pick. It's a risk also as there are only 3 safeties on the active roster minus Ebner.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 8, 2021 7:19:10 GMT -5
Peppers versus a rook in the first game of the season doesn’t see like a tough call - go with the safe pick. It's a risk also as there are only 3 safeties on the active roster minus Ebner. Love is number 4
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 8, 2021 7:25:29 GMT -5
16 or 17 months since he was drafted. How much seasoning does a real player need? Nothing against Peart just trying to remember an OT who emerged in a meaningful way in year 3 or 4. Yeah, honestly I don't know. In today's NFL if you are not starting and contributing almost immediately, you are labeled a bust. There seems to be little patience for a player to develop anymore. A lot of that is probably because so many more players come into the NFL ready to start and play, more than in the past it seems. It has to do with the CBA since 2011 Even the non 1st round picks had 5 years and then they were RFAs ..so you had time to develop players Now of tvey aren't good starters by the end of year 2 teams are looking to replace them No coincidence that O line play league wide has gone down yet again since 2011 (this and tbe fact so many teams don't develop linemen they way they used to in college anymore) Hell we right now are running the risk of doing all tbe dirty work developing Hernandez for his next team if he does indeed play like many of us hope and we inexplicably let him walk
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 8, 2021 7:29:52 GMT -5
Oh please stop with the dramatics. No one is being marched to their death. You knew the players on this team, now they announce the depth chart made up of the players you knew we had for 5 months and "OMG we are doomed, this is out death". Who did you expect they would announce was starting? The NY Giants did not draft a single offensive linemen in last years draft. We heard Gettleman wants to play the rookies/young players, as he was quoted, and Nate Solder, whom is gone after this year, has just outplayed Peart enough to garner a starting job. This is unsettling ....because it's crap Solder and Peart was thought to have become the starting RT...as said by Gettleman...the GM whom also failed to not only draft Slater, but ignore the entire line for the entire draft. I heard the M&M's declare loudly after we passed on any OL....the NY Giants are happy with what they have. Now we realize, that happiness was again...wrong. Thomas, Solder and the worst pass pro guard last year....this should be a fun year....a death march for Jones as aptly said by TCOF. Count me in as you know for someone uncomfortable that we did pass on a lineman this past draft (unfortunately I have to state this because we have a holes in here rooting for failure and looking to go back to mock anyone they feel is too polyana for their (word mods have forbidden me to use because it offenses certain delicate flowers around here that are their pets)liking FWIW I'm not sure that the past 2 weeks is panic like some see or that maybe player were just beaten out ...I do think we actually upgraded our depth witb younger better players so there is that
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 7:46:53 GMT -5
The NY Giants did not draft a single offensive linemen in last years draft. We heard Gettleman wants to play the rookies/young players, as he was quoted, and Nate Solder, whom is gone after this year, has just outplayed Peart enough to garner a starting job. This is unsettling ....because it's crap Solder and Peart was thought to have become the starting RT...as said by Gettleman...the GM whom also failed to not only draft Slater, but ignore the entire line for the entire draft. I heard the M&M's declare loudly after we passed on any OL....the NY Giants are happy with what they have. Now we realize, that happiness was again...wrong. Thomas, Solder and the worst pass pro guard last year....this should be a fun year....a death march for Jones as aptly said by TCOF. Count me in as you know for someone uncomfortable that we did pass on a lineman this past draft (unfortunately I have to state this because we have a holes in here rooting for failure and looking to go back to mock anyone they feel is too polyana for their (word mods have forbidden me to use because it offenses certain delicate flowers around here that are their pets)liking FWIW I'm not sure that the past 2 weeks is panic like some see or that maybe player were just beaten out ...I do think we actually upgraded our depth witb younger better players so there is that Andrew Thomas can NOT play like that first half, or this entire season is a fail. I have seen Solder many a time, and his pass pro is not good. Any interior pressure, and Jones will be a fumbling bumbling QB that will have to have better pocket awareness than Tom Brady...and being his weakness is happy feet...this could be a long season. I'm just amazed at Gettleman....says we need to play the rookies, ignores the draft...then we play the worse free agent signing in Giants history...after a year off. I'm all happy and positive in the draft section...then I emerge from the happy hole, and face reality...and this team's offensive line is looking more like failure once again. Peart I can sort of understand...guy was a late 3rd comp pick...could say early 4th rounder...he's a project. But Thomas...do we ruin these tackles?
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 8, 2021 7:51:39 GMT -5
Count me in as you know for someone uncomfortable that we did pass on a lineman this past draft (unfortunately I have to state this because we have a holes in here rooting for failure and looking to go back to mock anyone they feel is too polyana for their (word mods have forbidden me to use because it offenses certain delicate flowers around here that are their pets)liking FWIW I'm not sure that the past 2 weeks is panic like some see or that maybe player were just beaten out ...I do think we actually upgraded our depth witb younger better players so there is that Andrew Thomas can NOT play like that first half, or this entire season is a fail. I have seen Solder many a time, and his pass pro is not good. Any interior pressure, and Jones will be a fumbling bumbling QB that will have to have better pocket awareness than Tom Brady...and being his weakness is happy feet...this could be a long season. I'm just amazed at Gettleman....says we need to play the rookies, ignores the draft...then we play the worse free agent signing in Giants history...after a year off. I'm all happy and positive in the draft section...then I emerge from the happy hole, and face reality...and this team's offensive line is looking more like failure once again. Peart I can sort of understand...guy was a late 3rd comp pick...could say early 4th rounder...he's a project. But Thomas...do we ruin these tackles? Thing is that by all reports out of canp,the combined practices and tbe 1wt preseason game that Thomas looked fine,then the 1st quarter of the last game happened and he looked uncomfortable from tbe 1st snap onwards All we have now is hope and prayers that the team was right about our line and we have someone competent and healthy at LG this week and going forward
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 8:03:18 GMT -5
Andrew Thomas can NOT play like that first half, or this entire season is a fail. I have seen Solder many a time, and his pass pro is not good. Any interior pressure, and Jones will be a fumbling bumbling QB that will have to have better pocket awareness than Tom Brady...and being his weakness is happy feet...this could be a long season. I'm just amazed at Gettleman....says we need to play the rookies, ignores the draft...then we play the worse free agent signing in Giants history...after a year off. I'm all happy and positive in the draft section...then I emerge from the happy hole, and face reality...and this team's offensive line is looking more like failure once again. Peart I can sort of understand...guy was a late 3rd comp pick...could say early 4th rounder...he's a project. But Thomas...do we ruin these tackles? Thing is that by all reports out of canp,the combined practices and tbe 1wt preseason game that Thomas looked fine,then the 1st quarter of the last game happened and he looked uncomfortable from tbe 1st snap onwards All we have now is hope and prayers that the team was right about our line and we have someone competent and healthy at LG this week and going forward I need to rewatch Andrew back at Georgia in his senior year for some confidence building in myself...I KNOW what he can do....just has to do it. Maybe we come out heavy this year in running the ball...short passes, screen, slug's...the strength of the OL the way is stands is run the ball. Once we establish that...a few play action calls to turn the field vertical....keep that safety honest. We need to avoid the 3rd and pass to have success on offense....at least until we gain some reps for these youngsters.
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Post by Nite on Sept 8, 2021 8:03:57 GMT -5
Oh please stop with the dramatics. No one is being marched to their death. You knew the players on this team, now they announce the depth chart made up of the players you knew we had for 5 months and "OMG we are doomed, this is out death". Who did you expect they would announce was starting? The NY Giants did not draft a single offensive linemen in last years draft. We heard Gettleman wants to play the rookies/young players, as he was quoted, and Nate Solder, whom is gone after this year, has just outplayed Peart enough to garner a starting job. This is unsettling ....because it's crap Solder and Peart was thought to have become the starting RT...as said by Gettleman...the GM whom also failed to not only draft Slater, but ignore the entire line for the entire draft. I heard the M&M's declare loudly after we passed on any OL....the NY Giants are happy with what they have. Now we realize, that happiness was again...wrong. Thomas, Solder and the worst pass pro guard last year....this should be a fun year....a death march for Jones as aptly said by TCOF. That is hysterical thanks Aris
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Post by Nite on Sept 8, 2021 8:08:34 GMT -5
Picking Slater is looking more and more like the correct draft choice.. Really would like to see Toney be a force and next years 1st round pick also but if this oline still sucks then does it really matter.. Given that we backed up the brinks truck for (injured) FA Wrs this pick is curious at the least. The logical choice would have been Slater
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Post by vinnie on Sept 8, 2021 8:22:57 GMT -5
Count me in as you know for someone uncomfortable that we did pass on a lineman this past draft (unfortunately I have to state this because we have a holes in here rooting for failure and looking to go back to mock anyone they feel is too polyana for their (word mods have forbidden me to use because it offenses certain delicate flowers around here that are their pets)liking FWIW I'm not sure that the past 2 weeks is panic like some see or that maybe player were just beaten out ...I do think we actually upgraded our depth witb younger better players so there is that Andrew Thomas can NOT play like that first half, or this entire season is a fail. I have seen Solder many a time, and his pass pro is not good. Any interior pressure, and Jones will be a fumbling bumbling QB that will have to have better pocket awareness than Tom Brady...and being his weakness is happy feet...this could be a long season. I'm just amazed at Gettleman....says we need to play the rookies, ignores the draft...then we play the worse free agent signing in Giants history...after a year off. I'm all happy and positive in the draft section...then I emerge from the happy hole, and face reality...and this team's offensive line is looking more like failure once again. Peart I can sort of understand...guy was a late 3rd comp pick...could say early 4th rounder...he's a project. But Thomas...do we ruin these tackles? I want to know where all the people are who declared Peart was a project but would be the starter this year with the new OL coach and proper off season? They claimed we kept Solder only to back up Peart and for these young guys to get any better they need more real game experience and just need to take their lumps. Now those same people are making more excuses and telling us to wait even longer, it literally never ends with some fans. If the O line sucks again (more like when) Jones will get another pass, they’ll say DG will really fix the O line with the two first round draft picks next year and then when they suck they’ll tell us their just rookies and need more time. Then Jones will be under pressure again and maybe, just maybe, it will all come together the following year in his 5th year and we’ll be SB bound!
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Post by Jomo on Sept 8, 2021 8:34:18 GMT -5
I am going to give Solder his due. He won the job.
I saw Peart's miscues and also saw some decent work from him. Solder was more consistent which is what I'd expect from a veteran.
I'll defer judgement until they lay down more tape for us.
And btw, as a swing tackle in this offense, Peart is going to get plenty of live action this year to continue his development.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 8, 2021 8:52:29 GMT -5
the depth chart is NOT the starting line up for the first game.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 8, 2021 8:59:00 GMT -5
the depth chart is NOT the starting line up for the first game. People forget this Mainly because as I stated somewhere earlier if that was the case we would be starting 12 players on offense (a 22 with 2 WRs as well),which is illegal south of the border with Canada
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Post by vinnie on Sept 8, 2021 9:05:20 GMT -5
I really don’t care if it’s Peart or Solder starting, that’s like choosing between the electric chair or the gas chamber.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 8, 2021 9:15:23 GMT -5
Picking Slater is looking more and more like the correct draft choice.. Really would like to see Toney be a force and next years 1st round pick also but if this oline still sucks then does it really matter.. Given that we backed up the brinks truck for (injured) FA Wrs this pick is curious at the least. The logical choice would have been Slater Gettleman couldn’t spell logical, if you spotted him the l and o, and gave him a lifeline.
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Post by giants8493 on Sept 8, 2021 9:16:50 GMT -5
Isn't this unofficial?
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 8, 2021 9:19:07 GMT -5
It’s an unofficial, official depth chart. Joe Judge is waiting for it to get notarized.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 8, 2021 9:51:36 GMT -5
It’s unofficial, Judge is just playing mind games with the Denver D line so they have to prepare for both Peart AND Solder. It’s actually brilliant, they may have to change their entire game plan and personnel depending on who we put out there.
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 8, 2021 9:55:54 GMT -5
It’s unofficial, Judge is just playing mind games with the Denver D line so they have to prepare for both Peart AND Solder. It’s actually brilliant, they may have to change their entire game plan and personnel depending on who we put out there. Idk bro lol, it's not like an Ogden the Giants may run behind or will air it out with an alternative OT. Hopefully the DC won't need caffine to stay awake lol
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 8, 2021 9:57:46 GMT -5
I really don’t care if it’s Peart or Solder starting, that’s like choosing between the electric chair or the gas chamber. The good news is we have Dan Marino, i mean Daniel Jones firing strikes around the field!!!!
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Post by IrishMike on Sept 8, 2021 10:18:54 GMT -5
Oh please stop with the dramatics. No one is being marched to their death. You knew the players on this team, now they announce the depth chart made up of the players you knew we had for 5 months and "OMG we are doomed, this is out death". Who did you expect they would announce was starting? Umm … the guy they handed the job to and based their draft strategy on their evaluation of his readiness to start at RT? What guy did they hand the job to? Maybe the fact they had Peart (to develop) and Soldier (as a vet) lead to that draft strategy.
Me personally, I know this is silly, I want the best player starting. Just my opinion. I know others want the guy they want to start regardless of what the coaches think.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 8, 2021 10:26:24 GMT -5
Peart gave up as many sacks as Solder in preseason. One. His guy was in the QBs face every play . What games were you watching? The right side of that line was a train wreck with Peart in there. Shane Lemieux may be a problem . He did not take one snap in a preseason game. He was turnstile last year. We may have cut better players. Did he improve in the off-season at o-line camp. No one knows. Not even the coaches According to the staff Wiggins was good in practice. They kept him in with the # 1s throughout camp. Real game speed was a completely different story. He only played one game. He was credited with a sack and only one pressure. Thomas was giving up constant pressure, I didn't see that from the right side. I didn't think Solder was remarkably better.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 8, 2021 10:30:01 GMT -5
I hope they're right about Solder too. I think he'll be ok in the short term. I think they still have confidence in Peart. Yeah, they have a ton of confidence in a guy that they benched for a 33 year old who is only on this team because he agreed to a pay cut Peart has one career start, it’s not as if he's earned the job at any point yet. Solder also has a lot more experience, but do you think he’s going to start for 17 weeks?
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Post by TEM on Sept 8, 2021 11:19:10 GMT -5
His guy was in the QBs face every play . What games were you watching? The right side of that line was a train wreck with Peart in there. Shane Lemieux may be a problem . He did not take one snap in a preseason game. He was turnstile last year. We may have cut better players. Did he improve in the off-season at o-line camp. No one knows. Not even the coaches According to the staff Wiggins was good in practice. They kept him in with the # 1s throughout camp. Real game speed was a completely different story. He only played one game. He was credited with a sack and only one pressure. Thomas was giving up constant pressure, I didn't see that from the right side. I didn't think Solder was remarkably better. He was in both games. He struggled against NE.
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