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Post by jb456 on Sept 8, 2021 11:29:10 GMT -5
He only played one game. He was credited with a sack and only one pressure. Thomas was giving up constant pressure, I didn't see that from the right side. I didn't think Solder was remarkably better. He was in both games. He struggled against NE. Regardless of this, Judge is going to put the best players he has on the line. Judge's career is based on winning football games and if he thought Peart was a better option than Solder, Peart would be starting. Mike - there is no conspiracy here, unfortunately, Solder beat Peart out.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 8, 2021 11:32:55 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with a meritocracy.
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Post by TEM on Sept 8, 2021 11:36:03 GMT -5
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Post by Jomo on Sept 8, 2021 11:37:05 GMT -5
Look at this the other way:
Coach says that we are going to have real competition for who will start. Solder works his ass off to get back in shape and ready to play. Solder outperforms Peart in camp and pre-season games. (perhaps Peart improved from last year but Solder is still better) Then Judge starts Peart because.......?? How does Solder feel about the HC saying there would be real competition to determine who starts?
It is actually better than OK, so long as Peart is still on the rise as an NFL player.
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Post by TEM on Sept 8, 2021 11:41:24 GMT -5
Look at this the other way: Coach says that we are going to have real competition for who will start. Solder works his ass off to get back in shape and ready to play. Solder outperforms Peart in camp and pre-season games. (perhaps Peart improved from last year but Solder is still better) Then Judge starts Peart because.......?? How does Solder feel about the HC saying there would be real competition to determine who starts? It is actually better than OK, so long as Peart is still on the rise as an NFL player. I think Matt has a lot of untapped potential . He is just not ready yet . Playing an OT in the NFL is not an easy position to play or learn.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 8, 2021 11:49:44 GMT -5
Look at this the other way: Coach says that we are going to have real competition for who will start. Solder works his ass off to get back in shape and ready to play. Solder outperforms Peart in camp and pre-season games. (perhaps Peart improved from last year but Solder is still better) Then Judge starts Peart because.......?? How does Solder feel about the HC saying there would be real competition to determine who starts? It is actually better than OK, so long as Peart is still on the rise as an NFL player. I think Matt has a lot of untapped potential . He is just not ready yet . Playing an OT in the NFL is not an easy position to play or learn. Yeah, this is not a bad development. If Solder has recaptured some of what made him a credible LT and Peart continues to improve, while getting plenty of reps in the OT rotation.......if is without question good for the team short and longer term.
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Post by Martin on Sept 8, 2021 11:58:10 GMT -5
As long as the players on the roster have continued up side for improvement this makes your depth and starters strong. This means you have the upside talent and the coaching that will take the player to the next level. It seems the Giants had problems in both areas for the Oline and other units as well. Going way back. This falls at the feet of John Mara. He did not see this from the outside looking in.
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Post by jb456 on Sept 8, 2021 12:29:32 GMT -5
You just made me throw up in my mouth a little. Regardless of this, I have a feeling that they will be rotating him in during the game like last year. He will never improve unless he is in there, unless they think it won't work out for him....
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Post by jb456 on Sept 8, 2021 12:31:22 GMT -5
I think Matt has a lot of untapped potential . He is just not ready yet . Playing an OT in the NFL is not an easy position to play or learn. Yeah, this is not a bad development. If Solder has recaptured some of what made him a credible LT and Peart continues to improve, while getting plenty of reps in the OT rotation.......if is without question good for the team short and longer term. That's one way to look at it. Another way to look at it could be that the Giants are selecting the lesser of 2 evils. Let's hope your positive take is correct...
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Post by jb456 on Sept 8, 2021 12:39:23 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with a meritocracy. At first glance I thought you typed mediocrity, then I thought, damn, the Giants need to take to get to that mediocre level...
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Post by GameTime on Sept 8, 2021 12:39:39 GMT -5
I was hoping Peart, a 2020 3rd round pick, would have been ready to go. Well he isnt.
He also only has 150 snaps last season which is like 3 games worth of action. I didnt think that was enough. Appears it isnt.
Hopefully he has more to offer going forward.
I guess they dont want him starting off with Miller. Probably a good thing
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Post by TEM on Sept 8, 2021 13:01:09 GMT -5
You just made me throw up in my mouth a little. Regardless of this, I have a feeling that they will be rotating him in during the game like last year. He will never improve unless he is in there, unless they think it won't work out for him.... I agree. He just needs some time to learn and study film .
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Post by imgrate on Sept 8, 2021 13:09:54 GMT -5
I think Matt has a lot of untapped potential . He is just not ready yet . Playing an OT in the NFL is not an easy position to play or learn. Yeah, this is not a bad development. If Solder has recaptured some of what made him a credible LT and Peart continues to improve, while getting plenty of reps in the OT rotation.......if is without question good for the team short and longer term. Exactly. If Solder plays well, then there's nothing to have complained about. If Solder stinks up the joint, then Peart also does, then yea we're screwed and yet again another bad job of putting together an OL. I think some people are operating under the assumption that Solder sucks, which to be fair, odds are he probably will, but its no guarantee.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 8, 2021 13:57:19 GMT -5
Yeah, this is not a bad development. If Solder has recaptured some of what made him a credible LT and Peart continues to improve, while getting plenty of reps in the OT rotation.......if is without question good for the team short and longer term. Exactly. If Solder plays well, then there's nothing to have complained about. If Solder stinks up the joint, then Peart also does, then yea we're screwed and yet again another bad job of putting together an OL. I think some people are operating under the assumption that Solder sucks, which to be fair, odds are he probably will, but its no guarantee. Offensive lineman, especially tackles don’t get better with age. Like a fine wine, they don’t get better with age. If it wasn’t for him taking a massive pay cut. He would be taking his kids to school as we speak. I also don’t find it encouraging when a player who hasn’t played a down of football in 22 months beat out our 3rd round pick.
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Post by imgrate on Sept 8, 2021 14:20:49 GMT -5
Exactly. If Solder plays well, then there's nothing to have complained about. If Solder stinks up the joint, then Peart also does, then yea we're screwed and yet again another bad job of putting together an OL. I think some people are operating under the assumption that Solder sucks, which to be fair, odds are he probably will, but its no guarantee. Offensive lineman, especially tackles don’t get better with age. Like a fine wine, they don’t get better with age. If it wasn’t for him taking a massive pay cut. He would be taking his kids to school as we speak. I also don’t find it encouraging when a player who hasn’t played a down of football in 22 months beat out our 3rd round pick. The odds are slim, as close to none as you can get, dont get me wrong there, but they haven't played yet and anything can happen once they hit the field.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 8, 2021 14:25:54 GMT -5
Offensive lineman, especially tackles don’t get better with age. Like a fine wine, they don’t get better with age. If it wasn’t for him taking a massive pay cut. He would be taking his kids to school as we speak. I also don’t find it encouraging when a player who hasn’t played a down of football in 22 months beat out our 3rd round pick. The odds are slim, as close to none as you can get, dont get me wrong there, but they haven't played yet and anything can happen once they hit the field. I wouldn’t bet against those odds with your money. If you need a reminder of Solders play, go to your local subway. He’s the turnstile that the kids jump over.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 14:43:45 GMT -5
eh, solder apparently had a pretty 'good' camp, and the dude has a ton more experience - trying to look at the bright side. peart doesnt have many real game reps still, right? i know solders been pretty bad with us, but maybe hes a little refreshed after last year.
ill leave, but first let me pickup the straws im grasping at....
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Post by keyofgmen on Sept 8, 2021 16:49:04 GMT -5
I have an idea....
Let's just see who starts and what the heck happens Sunday!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 19:34:03 GMT -5
I really don’t care if it’s Peart or Solder starting, that’s like choosing between the electric chair or the gas chamber.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 8, 2021 19:48:27 GMT -5
Exactly. If Solder plays well, then there's nothing to have complained about. If Solder stinks up the joint, then Peart also does, then yea we're screwed and yet again another bad job of putting together an OL. I think some people are operating under the assumption that Solder sucks, which to be fair, odds are he probably will, but its no guarantee. Offensive lineman, especially tackles don’t get better with age. Like a fine wine, they don’t get better with age. If it wasn’t for him taking a massive pay cut. He would be taking his kids to school as we speak. I also don’t find it encouraging when a player who hasn’t played a down of football in 22 months beat out our 3rd round pick. Can't argue with you and I might take that position on a different day. Mine is a hopeful position, yours is a clinical position. We will have our answer in 4 weeks Krunch.
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Post by Nite on Sept 9, 2021 20:07:22 GMT -5
Gotta wait till the fay lady sings... Speaking of which my ex-mother flew into town the other day, needed special FAA clearance... The ex is also getting up there in poundage my yenta brother-in-law so informs.. His intelligence network is better than the gvmts
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Post by redeyejedi on Sept 10, 2021 4:54:11 GMT -5
Oh please stop with the dramatics. No one is being marched to their death. You knew the players on this team, now they announce the depth chart made up of the players you knew we had for 5 months and "OMG we are doomed, this is out death". Who did you expect they would announce was starting? The NY Giants did not draft a single offensive linemen in last years draft. We heard Gettleman wants to play the rookies/young players, as he was quoted, and Nate Solder, whom is gone after this year, has just outplayed Peart enough to garner a starting job. This is unsettling ....because it's crap Solder and Peart was thought to have become the starting RT...as said by Gettleman...the GM whom also failed to not only draft Slater, but ignore the entire line for the entire draft. I heard the M&M's declare loudly after we passed on any OL....the NY Giants are happy with what they have. Now we realize, that happiness was again...wrong. Thomas, Solder and the worst pass pro guard last year....this should be a fun year....a death march for Jones as aptly said by TCOF. You have to take one in the first 4 rounds in every draft. You need starters and at least 2 quality back-ups. With Free Agency and injuries you have to have young talent waiting in the wings
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