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Post by OrangeGiant on Sept 12, 2021 18:26:18 GMT -5
I think everyone wants to believe that DJ is the guy, but I've never believed he was. He doesn't have "it". He's is who we thought he was. I don't want to sound like a "hot take", because it really isn't. I've watched him in college and now into his third year here. Hes the same guy, it isn't changing. Turnover prone QBs are typically always turnover prone. How many times did he lock into a receiver and allow the defensive player to make a play on the ball? Even stink Schlereth pointed it out. Come on, you don't have to be an "expert" to see these things. the turnovers won't change much. He lives for the moment and his brain shuts off. He thought he was Mark Bavaro on that run trying to bust through 2 dudes after positive yardage, most crucial part of the game deep in other team's territory where points essential etc etc etc, a 10 yr old knows this and so does he. But to no avail, so he makes an astoundingly dumb decision. but he is improving quite rapidly. Enough? Most likely not enough to placate fans here. And being fair, could very well be deservedly so. to my eyes, much better pocket presence though still aways to go he is throwing the ball well above avg- he has made some phenomenal throws in excruciatingly tight windows. Very pleased with the zip and accuracy he has shown for the most part. he is a football player. He never backs down, he is tough as nails and he don't act like a typical QB in that sense. Jones' play was very solid and: his dumb play cost them the game, though giants aren't as good as Denver, at least not yet my prediction: this is Jones last year here and he will go somewhere else and have a good career, possibly quite a bit more. one thing to the fans who thinks he doesn't have it, and I don't blame you for that- turn the page on him. Don't keep griping and piling on, as hard as it is to not be pissed at what we're seeing. Look forward to DG & him being gone, a better young QB in here, and be disgusted at the never-ending management incompetence requiring another regime change and more suck for the foreseeable future I honestly try not to pile on, it is what it is unfortunately. At times, you are correct, he makes some really good throws. But in the biggest moments, like you said, he just doesn't make the right decision. And as a QB, if you can't control turnovers, you are doomed. I think at best, he ends up a career back-up in this league.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 12, 2021 18:26:26 GMT -5
Joe Judge is going to mix in dips with the push-ups and running laps. We may not win many games, but we’ll have the biggest triceps in the league. Judge , will coddle the players as usual. We “ Have confidence in Daniel Jones “ He is our QB. You think with CY. and Sweat Thursday it will be any easier ? I’m sure all the players will have their choice of ice cream after this game.
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Post by allnygin on Sept 12, 2021 18:27:22 GMT -5
trade the picks for watson and call it day... easy haha He needs to clear his name first and close that chapter before anything happens. yeah most def.
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Post by bigbluebrazil on Sept 12, 2021 18:27:42 GMT -5
The Giants stink all the way from ownership down...Gettleman is a bad GM and he f***** the franchise by picking Daniel Jones 6th. This kid is terrible and that is it; no way the Giants do anything with him under center.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 12, 2021 18:28:51 GMT -5
One of the worst opening day performances I've ever seen. It's what id expect out of the 2nd string first game of preseason. out coached and out played. Eerily similar to week 1 2017...
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 12, 2021 18:28:53 GMT -5
Aaron Rodgers, DeShawn Watson, and Cam Newton are available Maybe Miami would be involved in a 3 way deal with us and Houston where we get Tua, Miami gets Watson, and Houston gets DJ and picks Newton is useless and Watson might be in Jail for years I think we should revisit this around mid season it is 1 game maybe they will pull together
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Post by leonperry on Sept 12, 2021 18:28:57 GMT -5
the turnovers won't change much. He lives for the moment and his brain shuts off. He thought he was Mark Bavaro on that run trying to bust through 2 dudes after positive yardage, most crucial part of the game deep in other team's territory where points essential etc etc etc, a 10 yr old knows this and so does he. But to no avail, so he makes an astoundingly dumb decision. but he is improving quite rapidly. Enough? Most likely not enough to placate fans here. And being fair, could very well be deservedly so. to my eyes, much better pocket presence though still aways to go he is throwing the ball well above avg- he has made some phenomenal throws in excruciatingly tight windows. Very pleased with the zip and accuracy he has shown for the most part. he is a football player. He never backs down, he is tough as nails and he don't act like a typical QB in that sense. Jones' play was very solid and: his dumb play cost them the game, though giants aren't as good as Denver, at least not yet my prediction: this is Jones last year here and he will go somewhere else and have a good career, possibly quite a bit more. one thing to the fans who thinks he doesn't have it, and I don't blame you for that- turn the page on him. Don't keep griping and piling on, as hard as it is to not be pissed at what we're seeing. Look forward to DG & him being gone, a better young QB in here, and be disgusted at the never-ending management incompetence requiring another regime change and more suck for the foreseeable future Very well said .... I'm not totally turning the page on him yet ... Giving him 8 games...... I can see him having a really good career in a Shurmer/Stepnoski type system while we make a grasp at a 2nd rate qb next draft that is even worse .. thanks, and you know what, GL? you summarized it in a few lines better than I could... **** it, suck ass or know I'm not gonna stress about it and I'm going to sit back, be chill and enjoy the season know matter what, even if planning for next season begins before halloween
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Post by fifthavephil on Sept 12, 2021 18:29:03 GMT -5
Judge , will coddle the players as usual. We “ Have confidence in Daniel Jones “ He is our QB. You think with CY. and Sweat Thursday it will be any easier ? I’m sure all the players will have their choice of ice cream after this game. Most likely vanilla !
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Post by southerner on Sept 12, 2021 18:29:11 GMT -5
Giants should trade for Deshaun Watson…do something because they have no chance with DJ.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 12, 2021 18:31:39 GMT -5
I’m sure all the players will have their choice of ice cream after this game. Most likely vanilla ! I was thinking more of pickled mango.
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Post by nyg2 on Sept 12, 2021 18:31:41 GMT -5
Joe Judge is going to mix in dips with the push-ups and running laps. We may not win many games, but we’ll have the biggest triceps in the league. Judge , will coddle the players as usual. We “ Have confidence in Daniel Jones “ He is our QB. You think with CY. and Sweat Thursday it will be any easier ? He’s undefeated against Washington, it’s the only team he seems to bring his a-game in. 😂😂😂
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 12, 2021 18:32:06 GMT -5
The Giants stink all the way from ownership down...Gettleman is a bad GM and he f***** the franchise by picking Daniel Jones 6th. This kid is terrible and that is it; no way the Giants do anything with him under center. He ****ed the franchise with how he handled the 2018 and 2019 Jones might be a symptom but he had no shot witb how he completely neglected getting playmakers around him after trading Odell,only one pick on the O line for 2 years and throwing bad money at bad players... If you take a qb you surround him with talent early And also getting rid of the coach that hand picked him didn't help... Gettleman running the team like it's 1979 is what ruined this team
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 12, 2021 18:34:54 GMT -5
the turnovers won't change much. He lives for the moment and his brain shuts off. He thought he was Mark Bavaro on that run trying to bust through 2 dudes after positive yardage, most crucial part of the game deep in other team's territory where points essential etc etc etc, a 10 yr old knows this and so does he. But to no avail, so he makes an astoundingly dumb decision. but he is improving quite rapidly. Enough? Most likely not enough to placate fans here. And being fair, could very well be deservedly so. to my eyes, much better pocket presence though still aways to go he is throwing the ball well above avg- he has made some phenomenal throws in excruciatingly tight windows. Very pleased with the zip and accuracy he has shown for the most part. he is a football player. He never backs down, he is tough as nails and he don't act like a typical QB in that sense. Jones' play was very solid and: his dumb play cost them the game, though giants aren't as good as Denver, at least not yet my prediction: this is Jones last year here and he will go somewhere else and have a good career, possibly quite a bit more. one thing to the fans who thinks he doesn't have it, and I don't blame you for that- turn the page on him. Don't keep griping and piling on, as hard as it is to not be pissed at what we're seeing. Look forward to DG & him being gone, a better young QB in here, and be disgusted at the never-ending management incompetence requiring another regime change and more suck for the foreseeable future Very well said .... I'm not totally turning the page on him yet ... Giving him 8 games...... I can see him having a really good career in a Shurmer/Stepnoski type system while we make a grasp at a 2nd rate qb next draft that is even worse .. I was just thinking I wonder where Jones would be if Shurmur were his coach still I know they felt they had to move on but he is really good OC and QB whisperer. really good offensive mind carved up Grahams boys today
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Post by southerner on Sept 12, 2021 18:36:00 GMT -5
Time to dump…..fire Gettleman, then appoint somebody to over sea the Giant fire sale and make it clear everyone on the team is available…..make an offer and a trade can be made. Start looking for new HC candidates……fire Judge around week 12 and then start interviews in earnest. Let Bill Polian help to pick new GM.
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Post by Bigjeep on Sept 12, 2021 18:36:42 GMT -5
If anyone here watched the Eagles game and their first year QB and the play of Jones, its obvious that Jones is not the guy! Hurts in his first season looked like a seasoned 10 year pro! Jones looked like crap in his third year! What else is there to know!
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Post by bigbluebrazil on Sept 12, 2021 18:37:41 GMT -5
Shurmur is awful...that's why he only got HC jobs with the Browns and the Giants. Anyway, that's another indicative of the Giants sucking all the way.
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Post by southerner on Sept 12, 2021 18:38:34 GMT -5
If anyone here watched the Eagles game and their first year QB and the play of Jones, its obvious that Jones is not the guy! Hurts in his first season looked like a seasoned 10 year pro! Jones looked like shit in his third year! What ejse is there to know! Actually it is his second season…..and he does have coaching which doesn’t exist on the Giants. But I agree that Hurts is much better than Jones.
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 12, 2021 18:39:01 GMT -5
It sucks when this type of shit doesnt even bother me / shock me anymore. Oh well, another shitty season. Hopefully Mara wakes up next offseason and fires the GM. That's why I said it's almost funny. I know it's just one game but EVERY single problem we've had over the past few years were displayed today. DJ staring down a single receiver. ✔️ DJ fumbling. ✔️ Can't run inside/ RBs getting hit at or behind the ol. ✔️ Opposing wrs being open, especially underneath with no defender within 10 yards virtually every play. ✔️ Offense can't keep defense off the field. ✔️ Just bad coaching and play calling in general. ✔️ Embarrassing start to the season that basically mirrored the preseason . ✔️ It's actually amazing to me that with all the turnover in the roster it is possible to have all the exact same issues. It's mind boggling.
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Post by JoeyCush on Sept 12, 2021 18:41:00 GMT -5
The good news is we wont be feeling this way next Sunday because we'll all have killed ourselves Thursday
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 12, 2021 18:41:04 GMT -5
Even Strahan looks embarrassed and lost on the Fox post game.
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Post by Bigjeep on Sept 12, 2021 18:44:06 GMT -5
It sucks when this type of shit doesnt even bother me / shock me anymore. Oh well, another shitty season. Hopefully Mara wakes up next offseason and fires the GM. That's why I said it's almost funny. I know it's just one game but EVERY single problem we've had over the past few years were displayed today. DJ staring down a single receiver. ✔️ DJ fumbling. ✔️ Can't run inside/ RBs getting hit at or behind the ol. ✔️ Opposing wrs being open, especially underneath with no defender within 10 yards virtually every play. ✔️ Offense can't keep defense off the field. ✔️ Just bad coaching and play calling in general. ✔️ Embarrassing start to the season that basically mirrored the preseason . ✔️ It's actually amazing to me that with all the turnover in the roster it is possible to have all the exact same issues. It's mind boggling. Turning over players doesn't always mean an upgrade if the GM doesn't know talent!
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Post by bigbluebrazil on Sept 12, 2021 18:45:33 GMT -5
Is all begins with the brass. John Mara has no understing of football. So he hires Gettleman, who drafts the "touched by the hand of god" Saquon Barkley and Daniel Jones. So there it is, especially with this QB. We suck big time.
I guess God forgot to touch the Giants OL after he touched Saquon...
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Post by PennState1 on Sept 12, 2021 18:46:50 GMT -5
It sucks when this type of shit doesnt even bother me / shock me anymore. Oh well, another shitty season. Hopefully Mara wakes up next offseason and fires the GM. That's why I said it's almost funny. I know it's just one game but EVERY single problem we've had over the past few years were displayed today. DJ staring down a single receiver. ✔️ DJ fumbling. ✔️ Can't run inside/ RBs getting hit at or behind the ol. ✔️ Opposing wrs being open, especially underneath with no defender within 10 yards virtually every play. ✔️ Offense can't keep defense off the field. ✔️ Just bad coaching and play calling in general. ✔️ Embarrassing start to the season that basically mirrored the preseason . ✔️ It's actually amazing to me that with all the turnover in the roster it is possible to have all the exact same issues. It's mind boggling. You forgot can’t cover a TE
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Post by southerner on Sept 12, 2021 18:51:11 GMT -5
Shurmur is awful...that's why he only got HC jobs with the Browns and the Giants. Anyway, that's another indicative of the Giants sucking all the way. Shurmur wasn’t good, but he is better than Juadge.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2021 18:55:26 GMT -5
The thing that actually bothers me the most is down by two scores in the 4th quarter, our offense freakin stood around inbetween every play and seriously burned like 4 minutes off the clock doing nothing. There was ZERO urgency. None
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Post by southerner on Sept 12, 2021 18:55:45 GMT -5
If there is a silver lining to this disaster, is that the Giants now know definitively that DJ is NOT the franchise QB. It is time to look at college QBs that could be available in the draft…
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2021 18:56:34 GMT -5
The Toronto Blue Jays scored 22 points today btw....
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Post by bigbluebrazil on Sept 12, 2021 18:56:35 GMT -5
Shurmur is awful...that's why he only got HC jobs with the Browns and the Giants. Anyway, that's another indicative of the Giants sucking all the way. Shurmur wasn’t good, but he is better than Juadge. Is he? Maybe he is, but I have the feeling that even Belichick, Payton, Andy Reid would suck here. Bad players play worse here, good players play bad. 2012 was the last decent team/roster; 2016 was all a rent.
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Post by jb456 on Sept 12, 2021 19:00:12 GMT -5
Very frustrated but numb. Giants been trash for years and not even angry, just disappointed.
The only good thing now is that the Giants have a bunch of extra draft picks in 2022. High probability that DG, Garrett, Jones and Judge may even be on the chopping block.
Lol, maybe the Giants will be able to get 2 top 10 picks....
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 12, 2021 19:02:37 GMT -5
That's why I said it's almost funny. I know it's just one game but EVERY single problem we've had over the past few years were displayed today. DJ staring down a single receiver. ✔️ DJ fumbling. ✔️ Can't run inside/ RBs getting hit at or behind the ol. ✔️ Opposing wrs being open, especially underneath with no defender within 10 yards virtually every play. ✔️ Offense can't keep defense off the field. ✔️ Just bad coaching and play calling in general. ✔️ Embarrassing start to the season that basically mirrored the preseason . ✔️ It's actually amazing to me that with all the turnover in the roster it is possible to have all the exact same issues. It's mind boggling. You forgot can’t cover a TE Well, I thought that was covered by my 4th point, but yes, that too.
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