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Post by Providence on Sept 14, 2021 7:50:25 GMT -5
I've seen enough of Mara.
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Post by scoostraw on Sept 14, 2021 7:51:45 GMT -5
The structure of the organization is the problem. You can't have a HC and GM that are basically equals under the owner, with the owner having input on hiring. Whatever you think of DG, do you think he would have hired JJ on his own? I don't. A GM trying to save his job doesn't hire a former st coach with no experience. They need to hire a good GM from outside the organization and give him the power to run everything under him. But they won't. This is the key. They need to stay outside this now toxic organization.
We have an owner who's stuck in the past and obviously he hired a GM who's also stuck in the past.
This league is passing our organization by.
Absolutely 100% correct.
All you have to do is look at just about any other team and it's obvious how the Giants are WAY behind the times.
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Post by keyofgmen on Sept 14, 2021 8:09:23 GMT -5
I recall (way back when) my father screaming in anger at W Mara and saying he had had enough and was tired of paying for season tickets... haha...
I still have them, of course.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 14, 2021 12:32:10 GMT -5
Mara is not the CEO this team needs. Doesn't that suck?
He is a football enthusiast, not a strategic leader in any sense of the word.
As important as personnel is, forget the roster for a moment if that's possible.
Look at his performance with hiring GMs, HCs and coordinators. (yes he has a say in coordinators) No owner would completely delegate that and IF HE DID, that's another example of his incompetence as the CEO.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 14, 2021 12:32:48 GMT -5
What is the longest rebuild in NFL history and how close are we to being that team?
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Post by snyder55 on Sept 14, 2021 15:07:17 GMT -5
Mara is a Monty Burns look alike..
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 14, 2021 15:09:04 GMT -5
Mara is a Monty Burns look alike.. More like the Monty Python of owners. |
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Post by SG88 on Sept 14, 2021 15:09:42 GMT -5
What is the longest rebuild in NFL history and how close are we to being that team? We're currently rebuilding the failed rebuild of the failed rebuild before that. |
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Post by SG88 on Sept 14, 2021 15:10:10 GMT -5
Mara is a Monty Burns look alike.. I think he looks like the Crypt Keeper. |
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Post by SG88 on Sept 14, 2021 15:17:20 GMT -5
Pretty much what i have said in a few threads here: Before too long, however, Lombardi's focus shifted over to the dismal offensive effort, taking Jason Garrett's system to task.
"There's no imagination. And Barkley's not ready to play yet," Lombardi said. "He had 10 carries for 26 yards, he has no juice in his lower body. Did anybody watch him practice?"
"John Mara is one of the nicest human beings on planet earth. Unfortunately, John Mara can't have an honest conversation about his organization or evaluate himself. That's just a problem. It's just a hard thing. He's loyal to people, he likes people. They're stuck in time. They can't get out of it. They won't change, and they think Garrett's a good coach! They think, because he went to Princeton, he's a great offensive mind — no he's not!
"It's one of the worst offenses to watch, and you're not helping the quarterback."
www.audacy.com/sports/nfl/michael-lombardi-rips-giants-theyre-stuck-in-timeThere's really nothing that we can dispute in that article. |
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Post by snyder55 on Sept 14, 2021 16:04:53 GMT -5
The only moves left for Mara if this season tanks. Gettleman resigns due to health reasons and Judge gets fired and hands over the reigns to Jason Garrett. Why do you think he tòok the OC position. You think Mara didnt have a off the record conversation behind close doors. Writing is on the wall, if the team stinks. Judge is gone and the Garrett era begins. not trying to be snarky here but I think Garrett is too much of a wimp to be a good head coach, if our present head coach hits the trail after this season we need to hire someone with a proven track record for knowing how to run a winning team.. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 14, 2021 16:06:52 GMT -5
The only moves left for Mara if this season tanks. Gettleman resigns due to health reasons and Judge gets fired and hands over the reigns to Jason Garrett. Why do you think he tòok the OC position. You think Mara didnt have a off the record conversation behind close doors. Writing is on the wall, if the team stinks. Judge is gone and the Garrett era begins. not trying to be snarky here but I think Garrett is too much of a wimp to be a good head coach, if our present head coach hits the trail after this season we need to hire someone with a proven track record for knowing how to run a winning team.. Like who ? |
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Post by southerner on Sept 14, 2021 17:06:42 GMT -5
The only moves left for Mara if this season tanks. Gettleman resigns due to health reasons and Judge gets fired and hands over the reigns to Jason Garrett. Why do you think he tòok the OC position. You think Mara didnt have a off the record conversation behind close doors. Writing is on the wall, if the team stinks. Judge is gone and the Garrett era begins. not trying to be snarky here but I think Garrett is too much of a wimp to be a good head coach, if our present head coach hits the trail after this season we need to hire someone with a proven track record for knowing how to run a winning team.. I agree….Garrett is a worthless clown. He is a terrible OC, and Judge should be a high school coach. They need to clean house….everything from GM, scouting personnel and ALL of the coaches (unless new coach would like to keep some of them). This will happen after this year. If the Giants lose to Washington this Thursday, which the oddsmakers say they will, I don’t see a game they can win remaining on the schedule. Of course it is nearly impossible to go 0-17, but losing 14 or more would be realistic. Mara can fire Gettleman tomorrow, then find a REAL GM to hire the personnel people, scouting, and begin the paper search for a new coach. Who will the new coach be…..I have no idea but they are out there. The important thing here is the new GM has to have full power to fire, hire and run the show……and must be an outsider. Garrett looks like a high school guidance counselor. |
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Post by vinnie on Sept 14, 2021 17:34:40 GMT -5
not trying to be snarky here but I think Garrett is too much of a wimp to be a good head coach, if our present head coach hits the trail after this season we need to hire someone with a proven track record for knowing how to run a winning team.. I agree….Garrett is a worthless clown. He is a terrible OC, and Judge should be a high school coach. They need to clean house….everything from GM, scouting personnel and ALL of the coaches (unless new coach would like to keep some of them). This will happen after this year. If the Giants lose to Washington this Thursday, which the oddsmakers say they will, I don’t see a game they can win remaining on the schedule. Of course it is nearly impossible to go 0-17, but losing 14 or more would be realistic. Mara can fire Gettleman tomorrow, then find a REAL GM to hire the personnel people, scouting, and begin the paper search for a new coach. Who will the new coach be…..I have no idea but they are out there. The important thing here is the new GM has to have full power to fire, hire and run the show……and must be an outsider. Garrett looks like a high school guidance counselor. What will really make me go full tilt is if/when Gettleman “retires” and Mara brings in different GM candidates as part of his dog and pony show only to hire Abrams. I will absolute lose my shit, may fandom at that point may be rightfully questioned because I’m not sure I could sit around and watch the results. |
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 14, 2021 17:46:54 GMT -5
not trying to be snarky here but I think Garrett is too much of a wimp to be a good head coach, if our present head coach hits the trail after this season we need to hire someone with a proven track record for knowing how to run a winning team.. I agree….Garrett is a worthless clown. He is a terrible OC, and Judge should be a high school coach. They need to clean house….everything from GM, scouting personnel and ALL of the coaches (unless new coach would like to keep some of them). This will happen after this year. If the Giants lose to Washington this Thursday, which the oddsmakers say they will, I don’t see a game they can win remaining on the schedule. Of course it is nearly impossible to go 0-17, but losing 14 or more would be realistic. Mara can fire Gettleman tomorrow, then find a REAL GM to hire the personnel people, scouting, and begin the paper search for a new coach. Who will the new coach be…..I have no idea but they are out there. The important thing here is the new GM has to have full power to fire, hire and run the show……and must be an outsider. Garrett looks like a high school guidance counselor. I agree they need to hire an outside GM who has full control. I also know Mara will not do that. He thinks he and his family are football people and will never give up the control they have. |
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Post by Jomo on Sept 14, 2021 18:26:40 GMT -5
John Mara should watch more Seinfeld.
Jerry Seinfeld:
If every instinct you have is wrong, then the opposite would have to be right.
George (John Mara) Costanza:
Yes, I will do the opposite. I used to sit here and do nothing, and regret it for the rest of the day, so now I will do the opposite, and I will do something!
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Post by Blue Hulk on Sept 14, 2021 19:28:05 GMT -5
I think Rooney Mara has seen enough.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Sept 14, 2021 19:33:36 GMT -5
Now you guys know why he got rid of the messages boards.....  He hired mods like he hired coaches |
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Post by Jomo on Sept 14, 2021 20:16:31 GMT -5
What is the longest rebuild in NFL history and how close are we to being that team? We're currently rebuilding the failed rebuild of the failed rebuild before that. So are you saying we have a chance to set the record or are we just extending the record? |
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 14, 2021 20:41:21 GMT -5
We're currently rebuilding the failed rebuild of the failed rebuild before that. So are you saying we have a chance to set the record or are we just extending the record? Have to go a long time before you hit these benchmarks Jets since 1969 Lions since 1957 Cardinals since the great depression and 3 cities |
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Post by Martin on Sept 14, 2021 22:40:05 GMT -5
John Mara should watch more Seinfeld. Jerry Seinfeld: If every instinct you have is wrong, then the opposite would have to be right. George (John Mara) Costanza: Yes, I will do the opposite. I used to sit here and do nothing, and regret it for the rest of the day, so now I will do the opposite, and I will do something! The only way we can get through this is comedy, drugs or booze. Maybe a combination of all 3.  Possibly old Star Trek re-runs. |
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Post by Eazy E on Sept 15, 2021 10:22:29 GMT -5
In no way shape or form do I back Garrett as being our next coach. What I have learned in recent past of this Giants organizational debacle is that this is Maras world and we are all living in it. It would be a Maraesque move for him to slide in Garrett. The handling of a Giants legendary coach Coughlin, the ineptitude in dealing with breaking your team legend QBs Cal Ripken like streak and for what , just to put him back in. Was probably the only positive thing this organization had since 2017 playoffs, and this fool couldn't choose to do that right. Could have just put his foot down and said nope his streak stays until at least end of season, maybe at that point. Inform Eli look we are going in another direction , please feel free to retire or look for another team option while keeping it intact. Instead they embarrassed their legend in public.
Then the guy goes and hires his bud Gettleman which we are feeling right now. How about the coaches Ben and Shurmer not showing spine to back them and leading them out the door in a year. Im not saying the coaches were good but for once can you grow some damn balls either keep your path or stay the hell out of the way. Ask yourself what great coach would want to touch this toxic merry go round much less maybe it has an impact on FA's or it will soon. The NFLs new laughing stock, Good riddance, so frustrating being a fan.
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