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Post by southerner on Sept 12, 2021 19:14:53 GMT -5
It is pretty clear now whether this “rebuild” has or will be successful under Gettleman and Judge…..it will not. Mara should and will not act too quickly, but there will be a house cleaning before Halloween as this team has no chance to succeed, and it is hard to see which team they might beat on their schedule this season. They have no QB, no Offensive line, no running game, no pass rush and no coaching……hmmmmmm…..what should Mara do…..
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 12, 2021 19:17:18 GMT -5
Mara already did a house cleaning with Reese and McAdoo. And like any stubborn slob, he will continue letting the house become a mess before he starts to hire a cleaning staff. John Mara needs to stay the hell out of the football operations, and take his goofy brother Chris with him. The league has past us by, that we’re still using a map when everyone has a GPS.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Sept 12, 2021 19:19:09 GMT -5
Mara is too worried about the perception as a flagship franchise. Too much of a pussy for widesweeping change. It’s always a piece at a time. We have been ass for the better part of a decade and he’s a big part of it.
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Post by smitty on Sept 12, 2021 19:22:58 GMT -5
This franchise is an absolute dumpster fire and has been for quite some time now. If Mara had any class, he’d apologize personally to the entire fan base.
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Post by bigbluebrazil on Sept 12, 2021 19:23:54 GMT -5
Mara has no idea of what he's doing, really. The good years in his tenure have come from decisions made before his time as the all powerful.
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Post by southerner on Sept 12, 2021 19:23:54 GMT -5
Mara is too worried about the perception as a flagship franchise. Too much of a pussy for widesweeping change. It’s always a piece at a time. We have been ass for the better part of a decade and he’s a big part of it. True, but this team looks worse this year, than they did in Judge’s first year…..that means he can’t coach….last year with Covid they basically had to play with what they has from Shurmur……Judge had a full off season and mande them into a dumpster fire.
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Post by SG88 on Sept 12, 2021 19:25:40 GMT -5
Yeah right. Mara doesn't care as much as you think because fans are still dumb enough to spend a lot of money on this crappy product. They're the 4th most valuable team in the league despite providing bottom of the barrel results.
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Post by SG88 on Sept 12, 2021 19:27:29 GMT -5
Mara already did a house cleaning with Reese and McAdoo. And like any stubborn slob, he will continue letting the house become a mess before he starts to hire a cleaning staff. John Mara needs to stay the hell out of the football operations, and take his goofy brother Chris with him. The league has past us by, that we’re still using a map when everyone has a GPS. Your analogies are on point. The Giants are still stuck in 2011 while the rest of the league evolved and moved on.
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Post by Eazy E on Sept 12, 2021 19:29:03 GMT -5
The only moves left for Mara if this season tanks. Gettleman resigns due to health reasons and Judge gets fired and hands over the reigns to Jason Garrett. Why do you think he tòok the OC position. You think Mara didnt have a off the record conversation behind close doors. Writing is on the wall, if the team stinks. Judge is gone and the Garrett era begins.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 12, 2021 19:30:14 GMT -5
Mara already did a house cleaning with Reese and McAdoo. And like any stubborn slob, he will continue letting the house become a mess before he starts to hire a cleaning staff. John Mara needs to stay the hell out of the football operations, and take his goofy brother Chris with him. The league has past us by, that we’re still using a map when everyone has a GPS. Your analogies are on point. The Giants are still stuck in 2011 while the rest of the league evolved and moved on. The league adapted and went with the times. While we, hired four computer folks so our WiFi is up to speed in the office.
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Post by southerner on Sept 12, 2021 19:33:03 GMT -5
Boy, that Kadarius Toney pick worked out in the first round…..he can’t practice and doesn’t play in games….great first pick!
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Post by southerner on Sept 12, 2021 19:33:52 GMT -5
Your analogies are on point. The Giants are still stuck in 2011 while the rest of the league evolved and moved on. The league adapted and went with the times. While we, hired four computer folks so our WiFi is up to speed in the office. I think the Giants still use “Word Processors”.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2021 19:52:53 GMT -5
Boy, that Kadarius Toney pick worked out in the first round…..he can’t practice and doesn’t play in games….great first pick! All fairness…why they try to run that bullshit reverse play with him?
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Sept 12, 2021 19:54:56 GMT -5
Boy, that Kadarius Toney pick worked out in the first round…..he can’t practice and doesn’t play in games….great first pick! There have been a lot of "human joy sticks" in the NFL. They never amount to much. Especially when they are playing 5 yards behind the LOS on every play.
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Post by fifthavephil on Sept 12, 2021 19:59:29 GMT -5
This team needs to-be PURGED !
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Post by SG88 on Sept 12, 2021 20:08:14 GMT -5
This team needs to-be PURGED ! Again? Lol
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2021 20:18:46 GMT -5
Only one solution to all this shit…It starts with the coaching. Like the old days, you get someone like Belichick in here. Someone who knows talent and football. He picks his staff. After that it all falls into place. We keep getting these retread coaches and coordinators from other positions instead of hiring true head coaches! Shit, I wouldn’t care if we hired a head coach from college! But it’s gotta be someone who knows what they’re into. Not some jackass special teams guy who you just say “ you know what, you got 2 arms and legs…you’re qualified.” Bullshit! It shouldn’t be going on and that’s what Mara does! He’s full of shit and I can’t take him anymore. Next season, the very first ****ing dollar spent should be on a high profile REAL head coach.
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Sept 12, 2021 20:23:44 GMT -5
Only one solution to all this shit…It starts with the coaching. Like the old days, you get someone like Belichick in here. Someone who knows talent and football. He picks his staff. After that it all falls into place. We keep getting these retread coaches and coordinators from other positions instead of hiring true head coaches! Shit, I wouldn’t care if we hired a head coach from college! But it’s gotta be someone who knows what they’re into. Not some jackass special teams guy who you just say “ you know what, you got 2 arms and legs…you’re qualified.” Bullshit! It shouldn’t be going on and that’s what Mara does! He’s full of shit and I can’t take him anymore. Next season, the very first ****ing dollar spent should be on a high profile REAL head coach. Coughlin should have never been fired. The Giants line turned to trash and they scapegoated him. We haven't been able to replace him ever since. Judge looks and acts like the "bad" version of Coughlin, and that almost ended up being a disaster until Coughlin pivoted.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2021 20:27:48 GMT -5
Only one solution to all this shit…It starts with the coaching. Like the old days, you get someone like Belichick in here. Someone who knows talent and football. He picks his staff. After that it all falls into place. We keep getting these retread coaches and coordinators from other positions instead of hiring true head coaches! Shit, I wouldn’t care if we hired a head coach from college! But it’s gotta be someone who knows what they’re into. Not some jackass special teams guy who you just say “ you know what, you got 2 arms and legs…you’re qualified.” Bullshit! It shouldn’t be going on and that’s what Mara does! He’s full of shit and I can’t take him anymore. Next season, the very first ****ing dollar spent should be on a high profile REAL head coach. Coughlin should have never been fired. The Giants line turned to trash and they scapegoated him. We haven't been able to replace him ever since. Judge looks and acts like the "bad" version of Coughlin, and that almost ended up being a disaster until Coughlin pivoted. I’ll always remember the day he walked right by John Mara and didn’t shake his hand when he left. Now I know and understand everything. I’m ashamed. Especially after what he is now experiencing with his wife. For what it’s worth, I’m sorry coach. I apologize on behalf of our asshole ownership. I’ll always love Coach Coughlin.
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 12, 2021 20:30:45 GMT -5
Mara wouldn’t know what he was seeing on a football field if it kicked him in the nuts.
Who do you think hired Gettleman and kept him around this long?
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 12, 2021 20:32:00 GMT -5
Coughlin should have never been fired. The Giants line turned to trash and they scapegoated him. We haven't been able to replace him ever since. Judge looks and acts like the "bad" version of Coughlin, and that almost ended up being a disaster until Coughlin pivoted. I’ll always remember the day he walked right by John Mara and didn’t shake his hand when he left. Now I know and understand everything. I’m ashamed. Especially after what he is now experiencing with his wife. For what it’s worth, I’m sorry coach. I apologize on behalf of our asshole ownership. I’ll always love Coach Coughlin. He should have been fired two years before.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2021 20:35:58 GMT -5
I’ll always remember the day he walked right by John Mara and didn’t shake his hand when he left. Now I know and understand everything. I’m ashamed. Especially after what he is now experiencing with his wife. For what it’s worth, I’m sorry coach. I apologize on behalf of our asshole ownership. I’ll always love Coach Coughlin. He should have been fired two years before. No he shouldn’t have. It was ALL Mara! We are looking at the proof. He’s shit! He’s a piece of trash! Perpetual loser! Coattail riding bum!
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Sept 12, 2021 20:38:43 GMT -5
lol Mara has seen enough? after a decade? Mara will trot out and say it hurts him more than us ect. same thing year after year. He plays it safe ,hires familiar ppl around him.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 12, 2021 20:43:31 GMT -5
He should have been fired two years before. No he shouldn’t have. It was ALL Mara! We are looking at the proof. He’s shit! He’s a piece of trash! Perpetual loser! Coattail riding bum! This team needed to be blown up about 2015. The team was bad. Tom lost the team with his old school BS. Instead they hired McAdoo and kept Eli for "continuity. Then when that didn't work they brought in Gettleman for more "continuity"
So we "continue" to be a crap team. We were crappy the last 3 years under Tom. Then one blip in 2016 and back to the crap.
Yes, John Mara is the center of it all. I agree. but his keeping Tom too long, hiring his OC, keep a QB that was done, hiring an old Giants hand in Gettleman.... all brought us here.
It should have been completely blown up after 2014.
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Post by Martin on Sept 12, 2021 20:48:28 GMT -5
There is so much to talk about but what has happened to this franchise is a disgrace. I blame John Mara for thinking he knows how to run this team. It's the classic owner'son who fks up the business once he takes over.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Sept 12, 2021 20:50:56 GMT -5
No he shouldn’t have. It was ALL Mara! We are looking at the proof. He’s shit! He’s a piece of trash! Perpetual loser! Coattail riding bum! This team needed to be blown up about 2015. The team was bad. Tom lost the team with his old school BS. Instead they hired McAdoo and kept Eli for "continuity. Then when that didn't work they brought in Gettleman for more "continuity"
So we "continue" to be a crap team. We were crappy the last 3 years under Tom. Then one blip in 2016 and back to the crap.
Yes, John Mara is the center of it all. I agree. but his keeping Tom too long, hiring his OC, keep a QB that was done, hiring an old Giants hand in Gettleman.... all brought us here.
It should have been completely blown up after 2014.
I said this before , one statement from Gentleman , held the rebuild back . "Eli has years left" and its about the direction he took the team by drafting barkley signing Tate ect that doomed his tenure as gm here. He tried to rebuild but win now at the same time and that never works.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 12, 2021 21:02:44 GMT -5
This team needed to be blown up about 2015. The team was bad. Tom lost the team with his old school BS. Instead they hired McAdoo and kept Eli for "continuity. Then when that didn't work they brought in Gettleman for more "continuity"
So we "continue" to be a crap team. We were crappy the last 3 years under Tom. Then one blip in 2016 and back to the crap.
Yes, John Mara is the center of it all. I agree. but his keeping Tom too long, hiring his OC, keep a QB that was done, hiring an old Giants hand in Gettleman.... all brought us here.
It should have been completely blown up after 2014.
I said this before , one statement from Gentleman , held the rebuild back . "Eli has years left" and its about the direction he took the team by drafting barkley signing Tate ect that doomed his tenure as gm here. He tried to rebuild but win now at the same time and that never works. The 2018 half ass which included bad FA signings and trades that castrated the cap (Ogletree),the Beal 3rd round sup pick.. Also should have taken Orlwndo Brown 2019 is where he really messed up... They trade Odell,and only replace him witb a bad band and and a 5th round pick knowing they had zeroed in on Jones THIS is what should have happened after that trade Save your $$ Instead of trading up for Baker stay at 37 and take Risner(who is a good guard that can play RT in a pinch )take McClaren with the 3rd we lost with Beal..take Slayton and also take Scotty Miller ..that's 3 recievers that replace Odell and another O linemen
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Sept 12, 2021 21:06:07 GMT -5
I said this before , one statement from Gentleman , held the rebuild back . "Eli has years left" and its about the direction he took the team by drafting barkley signing Tate ect that doomed his tenure as gm here. He tried to rebuild but win now at the same time and that never works. The 2018 half ass which included bad FA signings and trades that castrated the cap (Ogletree),the Beal 3rd round sup pick.. Also should have taken Orlwndo Brown 2019 is where he really messed up... They trade Odell,and only replace him witb a bad band and and a 5th round pick knowing they had zeroed in on Jones THIS is what should have happened after that trade Save your $$ Instead of trading up for Baker stay at 37 and take Risner(who is a good guard that can play RT in a pinch )take McClaren with the 3rd we lost with Beal..take Slayton and also take Scotty Miller ..that's 3 recievers that replace Odell and another O linemen This is a good point, he mismanaged the cap , ok we were rebuilding young QB, we are winning few games, but at least have great cap room for year 3 of the rebuild , but oh no, he botched that one up. smh
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 12, 2021 21:16:54 GMT -5
The 2018 half ass which included bad FA signings and trades that castrated the cap (Ogletree),the Beal 3rd round sup pick.. Also should have taken Orlwndo Brown 2019 is where he really messed up... They trade Odell,and only replace him witb a bad band and and a 5th round pick knowing they had zeroed in on Jones THIS is what should have happened after that trade Save your $$ Instead of trading up for Baker stay at 37 and take Risner(who is a good guard that can play RT in a pinch )take McClaren with the 3rd we lost with Beal..take Slayton and also take Scotty Miller ..that's 3 recievers that replace Odell and another O linemen This is a good point, he mismanaged the cap , ok we were rebuilding young QB, we are winning few games, but at least have great cap room for year 3 of the rebuild , but oh no, he botched that one up. smh And it's ****ing 2019,not 1979 You have to develop this kid in 3,at most 4 years..you don't have 7 plus years like we did with both Simms and even Eli (he took 4 years).. I understand building the lines but you take away their best pass catcher and not bother to make any good attempt So look at what I did and how it translates to 2020 and 2021 2020..you have Brown now at LT,Hernandez,Zeitler still with the Odell trade..Shepard,Slayton,McLauren and Scotty Miller around Jones. So now we take Wirfs for RT and still take Lemieux...the 3rd for Peart ..hmm.. 2021 We don't have Solder,we don't have to pay for Golliday and Ross because Jones has weapons and an o line and maybe we aren't having these questions while still having Barkley and still all tbe defensive players we have taken We resign Tomlinson Hypothetical we still pick at 11 and still trade back.Hell I still take Toney This team now has weapons all over the field and probably a complete O line and we have a lot of cap room this year still
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 12, 2021 21:17:36 GMT -5
This team needed to be blown up about 2015. The team was bad. Tom lost the team with his old school BS. Instead they hired McAdoo and kept Eli for "continuity. Then when that didn't work they brought in Gettleman for more "continuity"
So we "continue" to be a crap team. We were crappy the last 3 years under Tom. Then one blip in 2016 and back to the crap.
Yes, John Mara is the center of it all. I agree. but his keeping Tom too long, hiring his OC, keep a QB that was done, hiring an old Giants hand in Gettleman.... all brought us here.
It should have been completely blown up after 2014.
I said this before , one statement from Gentleman , held the rebuild back . "Eli has years left" and its about the direction he took the team by drafting barkley signing Tate ect that doomed his tenure as gm here. He tried to rebuild but win now at the same time and that never works. When he said "I know Eli got me two rings" in his introduction as our GM...THAT is when I knew we were done.
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