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Post by giantsmets on Oct 22, 2021 7:54:47 GMT -5
Gettleman has made a ton of mistakes since he took over related to the O-Line. Pugh is not one of them.
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Post by Rangers13 on Oct 22, 2021 8:01:02 GMT -5
Gettleman has made a ton of mistakes since he took over related to the O-Line. Pugh is not one of them. agree yet the way the Giants handled the situation was poor. When you don’t even call a player and ignore him, the rest of the roster and agents take notice. It reaffirms this is just a business and imo it is very difficult for a full team to go all in knowing you’re a piece of meat. I never liked Pugh as a player b/c i didn’t think he was that good yet imo the Giants handled it poorly. Just a call, it doesn’t have to be over the top of dramatic but you can’t expect anybody to believe this bs “once a Giant always a Giant” yet handle Pugh like this. Can’t have it both ways imo.
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Post by giantsmets on Oct 22, 2021 8:15:17 GMT -5
Gettleman has made a ton of mistakes since he took over related to the O-Line. Pugh is not one of them. agree yet the way the Giants handled the situation was poor. When you don’t even call a player and ignore him, the rest of the roster and agents take notice. It reaffirms this is just a business and imo it is very difficult for a full team to go all in knowing you’re a piece of meat. I never liked Pugh as a player b/c i didn’t think he was that good yet imo the Giants handled it poorly. Just a call, it doesn’t have to be over the top of dramatic but you can’t expect anybody to believe this bs “once a Giant always a Giant” yet handle Pugh like this. Can’t have it both ways imo. Agree 100%. Never a reason not to treat people with respect and just be a decent human. Gettleman is neither respectful nor decent.
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Post by jb456 on Oct 22, 2021 8:30:52 GMT -5
I liked Justin Pugh and thought he was good when he was healthy and sure that's part of it. But it just seemed and maybe over the Zietler thing too as to how we've handled our OL situation and mainly since Getty got here. He preached the hog mollies and he has just not gotten it quite done. Have you guys seen this article and if so what are your thoughts on how it relates to Gettleman? empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-giants/pugh-success-highlights-gettleman-narcissism/I'm fine with the Giants letting him go. He hasn't even been on the team in what 4 years and he finally making it?
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Post by vinnie on Oct 22, 2021 9:12:13 GMT -5
So Pugh missed roughly 12-13 games over his career here due to injury yet his grades blow any RT or guard we have had, or currently have, since he left. In the meantime we have people calling Galloday and Jackson great signings after coming off missing multiple games just last season due to injury. Yeah, Pugh really sucked and it was time to let him go. 18 sack 19 penalty's lol 0 run blocking where are you gettiing your info from his football card he made. during his and richbergs time here not sure if the Giants as a team rushed for 1000 yards never mind one back doing it, get over it he missed almost his whole first year in AZ and graded bottom 3rd of the league year 2 he graded out at 62 he is in year nine and just figuring it out, just what the Giants needed for 10 mill per lol. Same PFF you use to defend Thomas and Hernandez. 18 sacks over how many years? Remind me how many sacks Thomas gave up just last year…oh that’s right, TEN. That would be 10. ONE ZERO. OMG, Thomas must suck! He gave up half has many sacks in one year as Pugh did with his entire career as a Giant. In 2015, he was ranked as the 8th best guard in the league so I have no idea what the hell you’re talking about that he’s just now figuring it out. Graded out at only 62? Hernandez has only graded out above 62 once and don’t even get me started on Lemieux.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 22, 2021 9:14:05 GMT -5
Lol, if we cut everyone who had a down year the season before we wouldn’t have a roster right now. Literally. Ok, on offense we would have Shep and maybe Engram. Pugh was garbage for multiple years, Richburg too. It was 100% the correct decision to let both of them walk at those price tags. The shambles that is the O-line now has nothing to do with Justin Pugh nor Richburg being colossal Jerry Reese busts. Lol, the guy was rated as the 8th best guard in the league his sophomore season and consistently graded out higher than any guard we’ve had since and it was the right move letting him go.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 22, 2021 11:03:53 GMT -5
18 sack 19 penalty's lol 0 run blocking where are you gettiing your info from his football card he made. during his and richbergs time here not sure if the Giants as a team rushed for 1000 yards never mind one back doing it, get over it he missed almost his whole first year in AZ and graded bottom 3rd of the league year 2 he graded out at 62 he is in year nine and just figuring it out, just what the Giants needed for 10 mill per lol. Same PFF you use to defend Thomas and Hernandez. 18 sacks over how many years? Remind me how many sacks Thomas gave up just last year…oh that’s right, TEN. That would be 10. ONE ZERO. OMG, Thomas must suck! He gave up half has many sacks in one year as Pugh did with his career as a iant. In 2015, he was ranked as the 8th best guard in the league so I have no idea what the hell you’re talking about that he’s just now figuring it out. Graded out at only 62? Hernandez has only graded out above 62 once and don’t even get me started on Lemieux. Thomas needs no defending lol and I'm not defending them lol I said at the right price Will Hernandez is worth keeping twist it anyway you like. His value is in his availability and his team first attitude.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 22, 2021 11:07:16 GMT -5
Pugh was garbage for multiple years, Richburg too. It was 100% the correct decision to let both of them walk at those price tags. The shambles that is the O-line now has nothing to do with Justin Pugh nor Richburg being colossal Jerry Reese busts. Lol, the guy was rated as the 8th best guard in the league his sophomore season and consistently graded out higher than any guard we’ve had since and it was the right move letting him go. what for the 8-9 games he probably played he and Richberg were so soft in the run game it was a joke maybe 8th best pass blocking Guard then again averaging 4 sacks and 4 penalty's a year seems like generous grade.
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Post by McCherry on Oct 22, 2021 11:07:54 GMT -5
Same PFF you use to defend Thomas and Hernandez. 18 sacks over how many years? Remind me how many sacks Thomas gave up just last year…oh that’s right, TEN. That would be 10. ONE ZERO. OMG, Thomas must suck! He gave up half has many sacks in one year as Pugh did with his career as a iant. In 2015, he was ranked as the 8th best guard in the league so I have no idea what the hell you’re talking about that he’s just now figuring it out. Graded out at only 62? Hernandez has only graded out above 62 once and don’t even get me started on Lemieux. Thomas needs no defending lol and I'm not defending them lol I said at the right price Will Hernandez is worth keeping twist it anyway you like. His value is in his availability and his team first attitude. And how many games has Hernandez missed in 4 years? I don't know if he'll be retained, but he’s been way more valuable than Pugh was at the same point.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 22, 2021 11:10:08 GMT -5
18 sack 19 penalty's lol 0 run blocking where are you gettiing your info from his football card he made. during his and richbergs time here not sure if the Giants as a team rushed for 1000 yards never mind one back doing it, get over it he missed almost his whole first year in AZ and graded bottom 3rd of the league year 2 he graded out at 62 he is in year nine and just figuring it out, just what the Giants needed for 10 mill per lol. Same PFF you use to defend Thomas and Hernandez. 18 sacks over how many years? Remind me how many sacks Thomas gave up just last year…oh that’s right, TEN. That would be 10. ONE ZERO. OMG, Thomas must suck! He gave up half has many sacks in one year as Pugh did with his entire career as a Giant. In 2015, he was ranked as the 8th best guard in the league so I have no idea what the hell you’re talking about that he’s just now figuring it out. Graded out at only 62? Hernandez has only graded out above 62 once and don’t even get me started on Lemieux. What the hell are saying about Lemieux he was a 5th round pick not a first round tackle prospect and the boy hunts for people to hit. While Pugh was a 1st round failed tackle and average at best guard.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 22, 2021 12:02:44 GMT -5
For the record here I liked Pugh and thought he was gonna end up being a really good guard. That said we never saw it here he had a lot of time missed and had some pretty good games but when you miss a season worth of games or close to it in 4 years and give up 18 sacks and 19 penalty's in the 3 years worth that you started why would the team re- up for close to or even 10 mill per. And he started in AZ the same way he was bottom 3rd in the league and missed I think 9 or 10 games in his first year, then in 19 had bonce back year scoring a 62 overall grade but still I believe a 39 in run blocking. I try to keep Gettlemen out of it he has his own crap, he shouldn't be blamed for not signing a player that was injury prone while here and got a lot of money. None of us saw the Pugh that is grading at a respectable 70 this year, The last 2 years 2020and 2021 were his best IMHO because he was available the scores are nice but 0 sacks and being available is more important.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 22, 2021 12:18:10 GMT -5
Same PFF you use to defend Thomas and Hernandez. 18 sacks over how many years? Remind me how many sacks Thomas gave up just last year…oh that’s right, TEN. That would be 10. ONE ZERO. OMG, Thomas must suck! He gave up half has many sacks in one year as Pugh did with his career as a iant. In 2015, he was ranked as the 8th best guard in the league so I have no idea what the hell you’re talking about that he’s just now figuring it out. Graded out at only 62? Hernandez has only graded out above 62 once and don’t even get me started on Lemieux. Thomas needs no defending lol and I'm not defending them lol I said at the right price Will Hernandez is worth keeping twist it anyway you like. His value is in his availability and his team first attitude. Starting to sound like Gettleman, paying for cheerleaders, play on the field be damned.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 22, 2021 12:20:56 GMT -5
Lol, the guy was rated as the 8th best guard in the league his sophomore season and consistently graded out higher than any guard we’ve had since and it was the right move letting him go. what for the 8-9 games he probably played he and Richberg were so soft in the run game it was a joke maybe 8th best pass blocking Guard then again averaging 4 sacks and 4 penalty's a year seems like generous grade. Stats don’t lie but you can spin what ever narrative you want. You defend keeping Hernandez but bash Pugh, really nothing else to be said. I don’t care if Hernandez cost $10 a season, losing him is addition by subtraction.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 22, 2021 12:25:54 GMT -5
Same PFF you use to defend Thomas and Hernandez. 18 sacks over how many years? Remind me how many sacks Thomas gave up just last year…oh that’s right, TEN. That would be 10. ONE ZERO. OMG, Thomas must suck! He gave up half has many sacks in one year as Pugh did with his entire career as a Giant. In 2015, he was ranked as the 8th best guard in the league so I have no idea what the hell you’re talking about that he’s just now figuring it out. Graded out at only 62? Hernandez has only graded out above 62 once and don’t even get me started on Lemieux. What the hell are saying about Lemieux he was a 5th round pick not a first round tackle prospect and the boy hunts for people to hit. While Pugh was a 1st round failed tackle and average at best guard. What am I saying? He was rated as one of the worst guards in the league, gave up 5 sacks in only 500 snaps and was up there in leading pressures. Lol, unreal. “Hey, he was a 5th round pick and was one of the worst guards in the league, what more do you want”? How about a starting caliber guard? I didn’t think you were the type to give out brownie points for effort. Praising Hernandez for his work ethic and Lemieux for looking for people to hit. Those are nice stories and all, I appreciate their effort, but all I really care about is results on game day and one sucks while the other is below average. Gettleman over paying people for their personality, not play, is part of the reason we’re in this mess to begin with.
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Post by SG88 on Oct 22, 2021 13:03:35 GMT -5
I liked Justin Pugh and thought he was good when he was healthy and sure that's part of it. But it just seemed and maybe over the Zietler thing too as to how we've handled our OL situation and mainly since Getty got here. He preached the hog mollies and he has just not gotten it quite done. Have you guys seen this article and if so what are your thoughts on how it relates to Gettleman? empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-giants/pugh-success-highlights-gettleman-narcissism/Pugh is probably laughing his ass off at the Giants. Karma like a MF
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 22, 2021 13:35:51 GMT -5
What the hell are saying about Lemieux he was a 5th round pick not a first round tackle prospect and the boy hunts for people to hit. While Pugh was a 1st round failed tackle and average at best guard. What am I saying? He was rated as one of the worst guards in the league, gave up 5 sacks in only 500 snaps and was up there in leading pressures. Lol, unreal. “Hey, he was a 5th round pick and was one of the worst guards in the league, what more do you want”? How about a starting caliber guard? I didn’t think you were the type to give out brownie points for effort. Praising Hernandez for his work ethic and Lemieux for looking for people to hit. Those are nice stories and all, I appreciate their effort, but all I really care about is results on game day and one sucks while the other is below average. Gettleman over paying people for their personality, not play, is part of the reason we’re in this mess to begin with. He was a rookie 5th round pick putting him and Pugh in the same category is nuts Pugh was a top 20 1st rounder was he Drafted 18th still would put him in the second row i most drafts, Hernandez gets credit for availability most important thing in the game, 5TH round picks are developed or are back ups, We will see with Lemieux, At the end of the day the guys the Giants had in Richberg and Pugh for what ever reason lacked toughness while here they showed 0 fire Eli gets whacked they just go back to the huddle used to piss me off. At least these guys get after the opponent when they hit the QB late or out of bounds, This sin't Hernandez verses Pugh it's what was best for the Giants and singing an injury prone dude t 5 year 45 or 50 mill contract would not have ben smart with his body of work.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 22, 2021 13:41:23 GMT -5
what for the 8-9 games he probably played he and Richberg were so soft in the run game it was a joke maybe 8th best pass blocking Guard then again averaging 4 sacks and 4 penalty's a year seems like generous grade. Stats don’t lie but you can spin what ever narrative you want. You defend keeping Hernandez but bash Pugh, really nothing else to be said. I don’t care if Hernandez cost $10 a season, losing him is addition by subtraction. LOL whats with the BS I' said at the right price and 9.5 a year for Pugh in 2018 wasn't the right price you have a narrative and you can stick with it, I have 0 just what might be best for the team, If the price is right an average Guard who shows up every game is worth it, I said agree to disagree but you keep going, try listening to Pioli and Banks talk o n the believe pod cast nothing about the Giants just how front offices see it completely different then the fans when it comes to the draft and analytics..
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 22, 2021 13:45:38 GMT -5
Thomas needs no defending lol and I'm not defending them lol I said at the right price Will Hernandez is worth keeping twist it anyway you like. His value is in his availability and his team first attitude. Starting to sound like Gettleman, paying for cheerleaders, play on the field be damned. And there is your narrative, Gettlemen has dick to do with this if the next GM decides Hernandez should stay is a stupid. What has been wrong with Thomas's play if he keeps getting hurt they will have to move on yes availability matters, when healthy this year he has been as good or better then Wills, Becton and Wirfs.
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Post by Roswell on Oct 22, 2021 14:27:13 GMT -5
The Giants were terrible in short yardage with both Pugh and Richburg.
If you guys want to talk about a guy who got away, then Romeo Okwara is your guy, even tho he's off to a slow start.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 22, 2021 14:33:47 GMT -5
What am I saying? He was rated as one of the worst guards in the league, gave up 5 sacks in only 500 snaps and was up there in leading pressures. Lol, unreal. “Hey, he was a 5th round pick and was one of the worst guards in the league, what more do you want”? How about a starting caliber guard? I didn’t think you were the type to give out brownie points for effort. Praising Hernandez for his work ethic and Lemieux for looking for people to hit. Those are nice stories and all, I appreciate their effort, but all I really care about is results on game day and one sucks while the other is below average. Gettleman over paying people for their personality, not play, is part of the reason we’re in this mess to begin with. He was a rookie 5th round pick putting him and Pugh in the same category is nuts Pugh was a top 20 1st rounder was he Drafted 18th still would put him in the second row i most drafts, Hernandez gets credit for availability most important thing in the game, 5TH round picks are developed or are back ups, We will see with Lemieux, At the end of the day the guys the Giants had in Richberg and Pugh for what ever reason lacked toughness while here they showed 0 fire Eli gets whacked they just go back to the huddle used to piss me off. At least these guys get after the opponent when they hit the QB late or out of bounds, This sin't Hernandez verses Pugh it's what was best for the Giants and singing an injury prone dude t 5 year 45 or 50 mill contract would not have ben smart with his body of work. I’m not putting him in the same category, Pugh was much better. Availability? Now you’re giving credit to a player who sucks for being available? Hell, lets re sign Flowers! “This guy gets credit for being available to suck every game, lets keep him John”. Injury prone? He missed less games in 4 years than Golladay or Jackson missed just last year, did you criticize those overpaid injury prone signings?
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Post by vinnie on Oct 22, 2021 14:36:13 GMT -5
Stats don’t lie but you can spin what ever narrative you want. You defend keeping Hernandez but bash Pugh, really nothing else to be said. I don’t care if Hernandez cost $10 a season, losing him is addition by subtraction. LOL whats with the BS I' said at the right price and 9.5 a year for Pugh in 2018 wasn't the right price you have a narrative and you can stick with it, I have 0 just what might be best for the team, If the price is right an average Guard who shows up every game is worth it, I said agree to disagree but you keep going, try listening to Pioli and Banks talk o n the believe pod cast nothing about the Giants just how front offices see it completely different then the fans when it comes to the draft and analytics.. Hernandez isn’t average, he’s below average. I’m just responding, as you are. I’ll stop right now, I see you quoted me one more time and haven’t read it but I won’t respond to it if it involves this matter. You can have the last word, we’re beating a dead horse here.
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Post by Jomo on Oct 22, 2021 14:37:07 GMT -5
Pugh was drafted too high for a mid level guard.
He was soft and NEVER moved the pile. How many times can our OL get knocked backward into our RB.
The writer shows why he's a writer and not a scout or coach when he picks off one partial season and makes that the narrative of Pugh's career over many years, the majority of which was forgettable even in Arizona.
Waste of ink...
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Post by vinnie on Oct 22, 2021 14:37:16 GMT -5
Starting to sound like Gettleman, paying for cheerleaders, play on the field be damned. And there is your narrative, Gettlemen has dick to do with this if the next GM decides Hernandez should stay is a stupid. What has been wrong with Thomas's play if he keeps getting hurt they will have to move on yes availability matters, when healthy this year he has been as good or better then Wills, Becton and Wirfs. I love you buddy!
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 22, 2021 14:43:35 GMT -5
I liked Justin Pugh and thought he was good when he was healthy and sure that's part of it. But it just seemed and maybe over the Zietler thing too as to how we've handled our OL situation and mainly since Getty got here. He preached the hog mollies and he has just not gotten it quite done. Have you guys seen this article and if so what are your thoughts on how it relates to Gettleman? empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-giants/pugh-success-highlights-gettleman-narcissism/Pugh is probably laughing his ass off at the Giants. Karma like a MF lol
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Post by jaymas on Oct 22, 2021 15:10:20 GMT -5
I haven't heard his name mentioned anywhere but here since he left. Pugh was not a good LT, RT or Guard. He and Richburg spent their Giants days either missing games or being tossed around the backfield like rag dolls... That's great Pugh finally got it together after 10 years in the league, but nobody missed him when he wasn't resigned, and I don't miss him now. We should’ve kept Ed McCaffery too... Let's move on. Pugh played well for the Giants when he was healthy (outside of that one disaster game against the eagles I remember), so it's not like this is shocking. He was not tossed around like a ragdoll here. I would have kept him, always liked him. DG felt differently, DG wasn't right. But yeah, as much as I lament it, it's not uncommon in the NFL, guys leave, go elsewhere, play well. It's not unique to DG, DG just happens to be one of the worst at his job in the NFL so stuff like this gets magnified.
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Post by McCherry on Oct 22, 2021 15:25:55 GMT -5
I haven't heard his name mentioned anywhere but here since he left. Pugh was not a good LT, RT or Guard. He and Richburg spent their Giants days either missing games or being tossed around the backfield like rag dolls... That's great Pugh finally got it together after 10 years in the league, but nobody missed him when he wasn't resigned, and I don't miss him now. We should’ve kept Ed McCaffery too... Let's move on. Pugh played well for the Giants when he was healthy (outside of that one disaster game against the eagles I remember), so it's not like this is shocking. He was not tossed around like a ragdoll here. I would have kept him, always liked him. DG felt differently, DG wasn't right. But yeah, as much as I lament it, it's not uncommon in the NFL, guys leave, go elsewhere, play well. It's not unique to DG, DG just happens to be one of the worst at his job in the NFL so stuff like this gets magnified. I just don't agree, he was demoted from LT, to RT, to G. He was average on his best days. He had no push and seemed to lack strength. He wasn't Flowers, but as a first round pick, Pugh was pretty much a bust for us. I'm not defending the Omemah signing, but lamenting Pugh is the ultimate hindsight call by this tweet.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 22, 2021 16:36:16 GMT -5
And there is your narrative, Gettlemen has dick to do with this if the next GM decides Hernandez should stay is a stupid. What has been wrong with Thomas's play if he keeps getting hurt they will have to move on yes availability matters, when healthy this year he has been as good or better then Wills, Becton and Wirfs. I love you buddy! Blue? I’m getting some bad vibes here, like this isn’t being reciprocated. Hopefully you’re just getting a good training session in and haven’t seen this yet.
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Post by GameTime on Oct 22, 2021 16:45:48 GMT -5
Justin Pugh?
really?
Its like Iverson talking 'bout practice.
who gives a **** about Pugh in 2021? Means zero
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 22, 2021 16:52:21 GMT -5
And there is your narrative, Gettlemen has dick to do with this if the next GM decides Hernandez should stay is a stupid. What has been wrong with Thomas's play if he keeps getting hurt they will have to move on yes availability matters, when healthy this year he has been as good or better then Wills, Becton and Wirfs. I love you buddy! You should brother I keep you on your toes.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 22, 2021 16:53:24 GMT -5
LOL whats with the BS I' said at the right price and 9.5 a year for Pugh in 2018 wasn't the right price you have a narrative and you can stick with it, I have 0 just what might be best for the team, If the price is right an average Guard who shows up every game is worth it, I said agree to disagree but you keep going, try listening to Pioli and Banks talk o n the believe pod cast nothing about the Giants just how front offices see it completely different then the fans when it comes to the draft and analytics.. Hernandez isn’t average, he’s below average. I’m just responding, as you are. I’ll stop right now, I see you quoted me one more time and haven’t read it but I won’t respond to it if it involves this matter. You can have the last word, we’re beating a dead horse here. Yes yes yes leave that horse alone.
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