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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 21, 2021 15:20:02 GMT -5
I liked Justin Pugh and thought he was good when he was healthy and sure that's part of it. But it just seemed and maybe over the Zietler thing too as to how we've handled our OL situation and mainly since Getty got here. He preached the hog mollies and he has just not gotten it quite done. Have you guys seen this article and if so what are your thoughts on how it relates to Gettleman? empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-giants/pugh-success-highlights-gettleman-narcissism/
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 21, 2021 15:33:15 GMT -5
I liked Justin Pugh and thought he was good when he was healthy and sure that's part of it. But it just seemed and maybe over the Zietler thing too as to how we've handled our OL situation and mainly since Getty got here. He preached the hog mollies and he has just not gotten it quite done. Have you guys seen this article and if so what are your thoughts on how it relates to Gettleman? empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-giants/pugh-success-highlights-gettleman-narcissism/When Pugh got to Arizona he missed most of his first year to injury and was still in the bottom 3rd of league grade wise, I want Gettlemen out but this was absolutely the right move at 9.5 per year I followed him to see if we screwed up, he started being decent year 6 and he grades out as a starter not an elite player. In the mean time Keven Zietler who I respect was having down year earlier in the season. hind sight is fun when they smell blood in the water.
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Post by McCherry on Oct 21, 2021 15:34:49 GMT -5
I haven't heard his name mentioned anywhere but here since he left. Pugh was not a good LT, RT or Guard. He and Richburg spent their Giants days either missing games or being tossed around the backfield like rag dolls... That's great Pugh finally got it together after 10 years in the league, but nobody missed him when he wasn't resigned, and I don't miss him now.
We should’ve kept Ed McCaffery too... Let's move on.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 21, 2021 15:37:24 GMT -5
Pugh had 19 penalties and 18 sacks in his 4 years here but PFF gave him good grades while here thing is he missed more games then he played almost
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 21, 2021 15:50:19 GMT -5
I liked Justin Pugh and thought he was good when he was healthy and sure that's part of it. But it just seemed and maybe over the Zietler thing too as to how we've handled our OL situation and mainly since Getty got here. He preached the hog mollies and he has just not gotten it quite done. Have you guys seen this article and if so what are your thoughts on how it relates to Gettleman? empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-giants/pugh-success-highlights-gettleman-narcissism/When Pugh got to Arizona he missed most of his first year to injury and was still in the bottom 3rd of league grade wise, I want Gettlemen out but this was absolutely the right move at 9.5 per year I followed him to see if we screwed up, he started being decent year 6 and he grades out as a starter not an elite player. In the mean time Keven Zietler who I respect was having down year earlier in the season. hind sight is fun when they smell blood in the water. good insight since you follow him and I'll take your analysis as good enough.........
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 21, 2021 15:50:53 GMT -5
I haven't heard his name mentioned anywhere but here since he left. Pugh was not a good LT, RT or Guard. He and Richburg spent their Giants days either missing games or being tossed around the backfield like rag dolls... That's great Pugh finally got it together after 10 years in the league, but nobody missed him when he wasn't resigned, and I don't miss him now. We should’ve kept Ed McCaffery too... Let's move on. lol
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 21, 2021 15:58:27 GMT -5
When Pugh got to Arizona he missed most of his first year to injury and was still in the bottom 3rd of league grade wise, I want Gettlemen out but this was absolutely the right move at 9.5 per year I followed him to see if we screwed up, he started being decent year 6 and he grades out as a starter not an elite player. In the mean time Keven Zietler who I respect was having down year earlier in the season. hind sight is fun when they smell blood in the water. good insight since you follow him and I'll take your analysis as good enough......... This stuff is going to be coming up all the time every player the Giants have jettisoned during DGs tenure and what they are doing now. these are not the things he will be fired for if that happens. I was sick of watching our OL get hip tossed out of the way on DLs way to the QB, This line wasn't performing and they were up for second contracts why would anyone in there right mind resign them they hadn't rushed for a thousand yards in years and were giving up sacks and pressure.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 21, 2021 15:59:51 GMT -5
When Pugh got to Arizona he missed most of his first year to injury and was still in the bottom 3rd of league grade wise, I want Gettlemen out but this was absolutely the right move at 9.5 per year I followed him to see if we screwed up, he started being decent year 6 and he grades out as a starter not an elite player. In the mean time Keven Zietler who I respect was having down year earlier in the season. hind sight is fun when they smell blood in the water. good insight since you follow him and I'll take your analysis as good enough......... I haven't in awhile just when he first left 2018 and 2019 he was not very good and 18 he was out most of the year.
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Post by Roosevelt on Oct 21, 2021 16:08:36 GMT -5
I thought Pugh was pretty good but lost interest in rooting for him after he began retweeting other linemen's contracts as our line sucked.
I think Dave has made his share of mistakes but I never thought of Pugh heading west was one of them.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 21, 2021 16:20:39 GMT -5
I thought Pugh was pretty good but lost interest in routing for him after he began retweeting other linemen's contracts as our line sucked. I think Dave has made his share of mistakes but I never thought of Pugh heading west was one of them. You can't be injury prone and play OL those guys need to be there week in and week out Pugh missed a ton of time, 9.5 per was really steep and AZ had to wait for him to play up to that.
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 21, 2021 16:23:48 GMT -5
Puke was garbage. I’m glad he got away.. He’s still looking for his jock when Mike Daniels threw him into next week.
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 21, 2021 16:26:52 GMT -5
Nah he didn't "get away" he is just in a better place for him. Same as Flowers and other players. Situation makes a big difference. We need Pugh to be the best player on our OL and he is not that guy. They need him to be decent.
Truth is we see what coaching can do. Our OL this year was looking like the best it's been in years with 2 castaways starting.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 21, 2021 16:39:49 GMT -5
Nah he didn't "get away" he is just in a better place for him. Same as Flowers and other players. Situation makes a big difference. We need Pugh to be the best player on our OL and he is not that guy. They need him to be decent. Truth is we see what coaching can do. Our OL this year was looking like the best it's been in years with 2 castaways starting. I think bringing Flarety back to consult helped let Rob Sale get his feet under him, TC and Farety were pretty good at keeping Eli protected
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 21, 2021 16:48:23 GMT -5
Nah he didn't "get away" he is just in a better place for him. Same as Flowers and other players. Situation makes a big difference. We need Pugh to be the best player on our OL and he is not that guy. They need him to be decent. Truth is we see what coaching can do. Our OL this year was looking like the best it's been in years with 2 castaways starting. I think bringing Flarety back to consult helped let Rob Sale get his feet under him, TC and Farety were pretty good at keeping Eli protected I honestly am very impressed with Flaherty/Sale as a team. Not to mention there are two other coaches helping with the OL as well. This is the #1 reason I want this coaching staff to stay together. We are putting together a good OL.
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Post by nick030567 on Oct 21, 2021 17:03:34 GMT -5
I haven't heard his name mentioned anywhere but here since he left. Pugh was not a good LT, RT or Guard. He and Richburg spent their Giants days either missing games or being tossed around the backfield like rag dolls... That's great Pugh finally got it together after 10 years in the league, but nobody missed him when he wasn't resigned, and I don't miss him now. We should’ve kept Ed McCaffery too... Let's move on. Yeah those guys literally used to get knocked on their asses. They rarely ever got a push in the running game. They were (at best) solid pass blockers against average teams in 2014-2015. But they were sure to turn into turnstiles in the 4th quarter when you need to close out a close game or make a comeback.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 21, 2021 17:08:13 GMT -5
I think bringing Flarety back to consult helped let Rob Sale get his feet under him, TC and Farety were pretty good at keeping Eli protected I honestly am very impressed with Flaherty/Sale as a team. Not to mention there are two other coaches helping with the OL as well. This is the #1 reason I want this coaching staff to stay together. We are putting together a good OL. Really with the amount of injuries and games missed by key position groups now is not the time to be judging anyone. I get the Gettlemen stuff because he was here when we built pass rusher deep and lethal, Think if they can him it will be his blitzkrieg way of drafting Blitzing position groups and just ignoring others Like WR and OLB and even ILB when they sign free agents I looked at like Martinez and Bradbeery Ryan as a 3 year period to buy time for them to draft those positions and let the draftees learn from these guys. Thats how you keep the cap clean.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 21, 2021 17:40:10 GMT -5
I liked Justin Pugh and thought he was good when he was healthy and sure that's part of it. But it just seemed and maybe over the Zietler thing too as to how we've handled our OL situation and mainly since Getty got here. He preached the hog mollies and he has just not gotten it quite done. Have you guys seen this article and if so what are your thoughts on how it relates to Gettleman? empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-giants/pugh-success-highlights-gettleman-narcissism/When Pugh got to Arizona he missed most of his first year to injury and was still in the bottom 3rd of league grade wise, I want Gettlemen out but this was absolutely the right move at 9.5 per year I followed him to see if we screwed up, he started being decent year 6 and he grades out as a starter not an elite player. In the mean time Keven Zietler who I respect was having down year earlier in the season. hind sight is fun when they smell blood in the water. Lol, if we cut everyone who had a down year the season before we wouldn’t have a roster right now. Literally. Ok, on offense we would have Shep and maybe Engram.
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Post by te88 on Oct 21, 2021 17:46:55 GMT -5
It seemed like the right move at the time, but considering what Gettleman spent on losers like Omameh and Solder you could argue he would have been better off just resigning Pugh.
But my assumption is that Pugh would have just sucked here anyway.
Here’s the thing , when your team blows it becomes a lot easier to get injured. Players can say whatever they want but many don’t put it all on the line when it’s clear their team is going nowhere.
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Post by repeatchamps on Oct 21, 2021 18:11:43 GMT -5
When Pugh got to Arizona he missed most of his first year to injury and was still in the bottom 3rd of league grade wise, I want Gettlemen out but this was absolutely the right move at 9.5 per year I followed him to see if we screwed up, he started being decent year 6 and he grades out as a starter not an elite player. In the mean time Keven Zietler who I respect was having down year earlier in the season. hind sight is fun when they smell blood in the water. Lol, if we cut everyone who had a down year the season before we wouldn’t have a roster right now. Literally. Ok, on offense we would have Shep and maybe Engram. Pugh was garbage for multiple years, Richburg too. It was 100% the correct decision to let both of them walk at those price tags. The shambles that is the O-line now has nothing to do with Justin Pugh nor Richburg being colossal Jerry Reese busts.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 21, 2021 18:15:51 GMT -5
When Pugh got to Arizona he missed most of his first year to injury and was still in the bottom 3rd of league grade wise, I want Gettlemen out but this was absolutely the right move at 9.5 per year I followed him to see if we screwed up, he started being decent year 6 and he grades out as a starter not an elite player. In the mean time Keven Zietler who I respect was having down year earlier in the season. hind sight is fun when they smell blood in the water. Lol, if we cut everyone who had a down year the season before we wouldn’t have a roster right now. Literally. Ok, on offense we would have Shep and maybe Engram. We didn't cut him lol dude control man we just decided he can fins growing else where did cut Zietler but that was about money and he is gettin a little old.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 21, 2021 19:00:04 GMT -5
So Pugh missed roughly 12-13 games over his career here due to injury yet his grades blow any RT or guard we have had, or currently have, since he left. In the meantime we have people calling Galloday and Jackson great signings after coming off missing multiple games just last season due to injury.
Yeah, Pugh really sucked and it was time to let him go.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 21, 2021 19:53:51 GMT -5
So Pugh missed roughly 12-13 games over his career here due to injury yet his grades blow any RT or guard we have had, or currently have, since he left. In the meantime we have people calling Galloday and Jackson great signings after coming off missing multiple games just last season due to injury. Yeah, Pugh really sucked and it was time to let him go. 18 sack 19 penalty's lol 0 run blocking where are you gettiing your info from his football card he made. during his and richbergs time here not sure if the Giants as a team rushed for 1000 yards never mind one back doing it, get over it he missed almost his whole first year in AZ and graded bottom 3rd of the league year 2 he graded out at 62 he is in year nine and just figuring it out, just what the Giants needed for 10 mill per lol.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 21, 2021 19:56:54 GMT -5
Oh by the way he is on the injury report with a bad back.
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Post by moecoastie on Oct 21, 2021 20:37:01 GMT -5
statements like the article tip me off to how long they actually covered the team. The writer must be a youngster
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Post by scoostraw on Oct 21, 2021 21:20:53 GMT -5
We should’ve kept Ed McCaffery too... And Matt Stover. (Don't get me started)
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 22, 2021 6:12:21 GMT -5
good insight since you follow him and I'll take your analysis as good enough......... This stuff is going to be coming up all the time every player the Giants have jettisoned during DGs tenure and what they are doing now. these are not the things he will be fired for if that happens. I was sick of watching our OL get hip tossed out of the way on DLs way to the QB, This line wasn't performing and they were up for second contracts why would anyone in there right mind resign them they hadn't rushed for a thousand yards in years and were giving up sacks and pressure. i feel ya. I know they say it takes cohesiveness with the line for them to perform and be effective and since we have been pretty bad for years not sure how you can evaluate some when I guess part of depending on the scheme and such and to help out, ect. But in the grand scheme of things yes block YOUR DAMN GUY, the one you are responsible for first and foremost.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 22, 2021 6:15:08 GMT -5
I think bringing Flarety back to consult helped let Rob Sale get his feet under him, TC and Farety were pretty good at keeping Eli protected I honestly am very impressed with Flaherty/Sale as a team. Not to mention there are two other coaches helping with the OL as well. This is the #1 reason I want this coaching staff to stay together. We are putting together a good OL. I can see and sign off on that. Lets just get and STAY HEALTHLY my goodness!!!!!
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 22, 2021 6:20:31 GMT -5
statements like the article tip me off to how long they actually covered the team. The writer must be a youngster lol yeah everything written these days you must wonder how much weight they hold smh. That's why I love asking other's opinions.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2021 6:30:32 GMT -5
Kyler Murray take a sack?....not sure that joystick even needs an offensive line.
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Post by GameTime on Oct 22, 2021 7:38:04 GMT -5
Justin Pugh means nothing to the state of this team
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