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Post by Easy E on Nov 23, 2021 17:52:32 GMT -5
Is there anyone here that thinks this move will have any profound effect on our offense? If so, I want to hear it.
Yes I know the Browns went 5-3 with Freddie as OC a few years back. But I also know what the Browns looked like with him as HC. Was he the OC as well during that time?
I just rewatched last year's Browns/Giants game highlights to refresh my memory of the difference between Kitchens and Garrett calling plays. Stats below confirmed the eye test as far more downfield attempts, which is a strength of DJ. Furthermore, when he was with the Browns, they were top 10 in explosive plays.. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 23, 2021 17:54:26 GMT -5
Is there anyone here that thinks this move will have any profound effect on our offense? If so, I want to hear it.
Yes I know the Browns went 5-3 with Freddie as OC a few years back. But I also know what the Browns looked like with him as HC. Was he the OC as well during that time?
I just rewatched last year's Browns/Giants game highlights to refresh my memory of the difference between Kitchens and Garrett calling plays. Stats below confirmed the eye test as far more downfield attempts, which is a strength of DJ. Furthermore, when he was with the Browns, they were top 10 in explosive plays.. This with a qb with a noodle arm |
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Post by Bigjeep on Nov 23, 2021 17:58:53 GMT -5
I don't care who the OC is, Jones is what he is, another dime a dozen QB with an arm with no QB instincts! Guy looks like a deer in the headlights. We will see a up and coming QB next week.
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Post by Roosevelt on Nov 23, 2021 19:55:56 GMT -5
Is there anyone here that thinks this move will have any profound effect on our offense? If so, I want to hear it.
Yes I know the Browns went 5-3 with Freddie as OC a few years back. But I also know what the Browns looked like with him as HC. Was he the OC as well during that time?
I think it’s likely to have the profound 1 game effect. Since we play the Eagles that’s not a bad thing. Overall you can take a pile of shit and mold it into the statue of David, but at the end of the day it’s still a pile of shit. And it is our pile of shit. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Nov 23, 2021 19:56:38 GMT -5
Well.....he seems like he would try to open up the downfield game more. Whether we have the skills to pull it off is another question. Does he get to decide who's playing on the line? Based on past history or based on trying to wake this offense up? |
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Post by Roosevelt on Nov 23, 2021 20:02:11 GMT -5
I think it’s likely to have the profound 1 game effect. Since we play the Eagles that’s not a bad thing. Overall you can take a pile of shit and mold it into the statue of David, but at the end of the day it’s still a pile of shit. I'm dreading the ass-whipping that our sorry-ass team is going to get from the rebuilding Eagles. I cannot believe that Coach Rock Paper Scissors is having more success than Judge. |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 23, 2021 20:04:02 GMT -5
Is there anyone here that thinks this move will have any profound effect on our offense? If so, I want to hear it.
Yes I know the Browns went 5-3 with Freddie as OC a few years back. But I also know what the Browns looked like with him as HC. Was he the OC as well during that time?
He called plays at head coach and there was a well documented disconnect between him and Todd Monken his OC. So doesn't absolve him of blame. One thing I know for certain, he will be more aggressive than Garrett. I'd give anything to not watch Daniel Jones play robotic football where it looks like he's a head case every play because he sucks right now. I want aggressive, TD making DJ from 2019. Shrink the field if they need to, even more RPO, more option routes, and for the love of God can Kenny Golladay be utilized on go routes, back shoulder routes, and some damn skinny posts so he can make the catches he does in his sleep? 2 targets agains the bucks and they were both short field slants. Genuinely don't care if DJ starts fumbling again. Guy has been completely neutered by this offense for 1.5 years and at this point his fumbles have just been replaced by interceptions that boneheaded decisions that at least are a partial result of this robotic unimaginative crap the Giants have been putting on the field. Yeah the offensive line is attrocious, but maye Freddie and co. can scheme around that better as well. exactly I'd rather them screw up trying to be agressive rather than passive and ****ing up not trying so yeah what else do they have to lose, go for the juggler from here on out!! |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 23, 2021 20:05:37 GMT -5
Is there anyone here that thinks this move will have any profound effect on our offense? If so, I want to hear it.
Yes I know the Browns went 5-3 with Freddie as OC a few years back. But I also know what the Browns looked like with him as HC. Was he the OC as well during that time?
I'm hoping the positive difference stems from: He knows our offense is one of the worst in the league. Due to playcalling and just having shit talent. So why not go for broke? Open it up. He's trying to prove his worth as an OC and auditioning for other team's openings next year. afreakinmen that's all i'm sayin.................. |
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Post by thetruth on Nov 23, 2021 20:05:43 GMT -5
Is there anyone here that thinks this move will have any profound effect on our offense? If so, I want to hear it.
Yes I know the Browns went 5-3 with Freddie as OC a few years back. But I also know what the Browns looked like with him as HC. Was he the OC as well during that time?
No. |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 23, 2021 20:11:21 GMT -5
Clearly, Garrett wasn’t clear with hitting the open receiver. Instead, Jones is airmailing it to the water boy.. Picks where he's going to go with the ball pre-snap. Stares down the receiver post-snap. He really is a special QB. A MOTHER-FREAKIN BUM IS WHAT HE IS OMYGOODNESS STILL STARING DOWN AT A GLARING RATE; CAN HIS AZZ LISTEN TO WHAT THE COACHES IS TRYING TO BEAT IN HIS DUMBAZZ HEAD?? |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 23, 2021 20:11:39 GMT -5
Is there anyone here that thinks this move will have any profound effect on our offense? If so, I want to hear it.
Yes I know the Browns went 5-3 with Freddie as OC a few years back. But I also know what the Browns looked like with him as HC. Was he the OC as well during that time?
I'm interested to see if he adds some simple twists to route combinations like adding more drag routes clearing out space in the middle of the field and such. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Nov 23, 2021 20:13:36 GMT -5
Is there anyone here that thinks this move will have any profound effect on our offense? If so, I want to hear it.
Yes I know the Browns went 5-3 with Freddie as OC a few years back. But I also know what the Browns looked like with him as HC. Was he the OC as well during that time?
He called plays at head coach and there was a well documented disconnect between him and Todd Monken his OC. So doesn't absolve him of blame. One thing I know for certain, he will be more aggressive than Garrett. I'd give anything to not watch Daniel Jones play robotic football where it looks like he's a head case every play because he sucks right now. I want aggressive, TD making DJ from 2019. Shrink the field if they need to, even more RPO, more option routes, and for the love of God can Kenny Golladay be utilized on go routes, back shoulder routes, and some damn skinny posts so he can make the catches he does in his sleep? 2 targets agains the bucks and they were both short field slants. Genuinely don't care if DJ starts fumbling again. Guy has been completely neutered by this offense for 1.5 years and at this point his fumbles have just been replaced by interceptions that boneheaded decisions that at least are a partial result of this robotic unimaginative crap the Giants have been putting on the field. Yeah the offensive line is attrocious, but maye Freddie and co. can scheme around that better as well. It's really no different what McAdoo did to Eli.
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Post by mendy on Nov 23, 2021 20:18:26 GMT -5
is anybody else getting tired of complaining about the offensive line, its been going on for too long now... Seems many have forgotten the injuries the Offensive line has taken this season .Season ending injuries. |
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 23, 2021 20:34:01 GMT -5
is anybody else getting tired of complaining about the offensive line, its been going on for too long now... Seems many have forgotten the injuries the Offensive line has taken this season .Season ending injuries. No one has forgotten. The Bucs were playing two lineman yesterday that were from division II, and division III schools. And they still mopped the floor with us. Excuses are met on deaf ears now, time to play with what you have. If not, UPS is always hiring. |
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Post by giants8493 on Nov 23, 2021 21:31:30 GMT -5
Is there anyone here that thinks this move will have any profound effect on our offense? If so, I want to hear it.
Yes I know the Browns went 5-3 with Freddie as OC a few years back. But I also know what the Browns looked like with him as HC. Was he the OC as well during that time?
Yes. Someone in the building just got fired for doing the exact same thing every single day. I expect kitchens to try something different. This is outstanding news! What we were doing was insane and just over and over again. |
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Post by jaymas on Nov 23, 2021 22:09:31 GMT -5
He called plays at head coach and there was a well documented disconnect between him and Todd Monken his OC. So doesn't absolve him of blame. One thing I know for certain, he will be more aggressive than Garrett. I'd give anything to not watch Daniel Jones play robotic football where it looks like he's a head case every play because he sucks right now. I want aggressive, TD making DJ from 2019. Shrink the field if they need to, even more RPO, more option routes, and for the love of God can Kenny Golladay be utilized on go routes, back shoulder routes, and some damn skinny posts so he can make the catches he does in his sleep? 2 targets agains the bucks and they were both short field slants. Genuinely don't care if DJ starts fumbling again. Guy has been completely neutered by this offense for 1.5 years and at this point his fumbles have just been replaced by interceptions that boneheaded decisions that at least are a partial result of this robotic unimaginative crap the Giants have been putting on the field. Yeah the offensive line is attrocious, but maye Freddie and co. can scheme around that better as well. It's really no different what McAdoo did to Eli.
I think, looking back this did happen and Eli's physical skills were also on the downswing. Terrible combo. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2021 5:20:19 GMT -5
It worries me to touch anything Browns related
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Post by bluejayc on Nov 24, 2021 7:02:56 GMT -5
Can't be any worse I guess That’s my thinking. I’m not implying there aren’t other issues to overcome. But there is way too much talent on that offense for these results. Ditto on this. Not sure why posters are talking up potential records down the stretch…..I know this is a Kitchens/offensive thread but the Giants ain’t beating anyone if their defensive philosophy of bend, bend, bend over doesn’t change. The offense may improve vastly but that won’t equate to more wins until the DC starts using his personnel better as well. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Nov 24, 2021 7:42:00 GMT -5
That’s my thinking. I’m not implying there aren’t other issues to overcome. But there is way too much talent on that offense for these results. Ditto on this. Not sure why posters are talking up potential records down the stretch…..I know this is a Kitchens/offensive thread but the Giants ain’t beating anyone if their defensive philosophy of bend, bend, bend over doesn’t change. The offense may improve vastly but that won’t equate to more wins until the DC starts using his personnel better as well. hopefully if the offense starts to play to their potential, the defensive game will pick up, they sometimes go hand in hand. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 24, 2021 8:05:08 GMT -5
Is there anyone here that thinks this move will have any profound effect on our offense? If so, I want to hear it.
Yes I know the Browns went 5-3 with Freddie as OC a few years back. But I also know what the Browns looked like with him as HC. Was he the OC as well during that time?
He called plays at head coach and there was a well documented disconnect between him and Todd Monken his OC. So doesn't absolve him of blame. One thing I know for certain, he will be more aggressive than Garrett. I'd give anything to not watch Daniel Jones play robotic football where it looks like he's a head case every play because he sucks right now. I want aggressive, TD making DJ from 2019. Shrink the field if they need to, even more RPO, more option routes, and for the love of God can Kenny Golladay be utilized on go routes, back shoulder routes, and some damn skinny posts so he can make the catches he does in his sleep? 2 targets agains the bucks and they were both short field slants. Genuinely don't care if DJ starts fumbling again. Guy has been completely neutered by this offense for 1.5 years and at this point his fumbles have just been replaced by interceptions that boneheaded decisions that at least are a partial result of this robotic unimaginative crap the Giants have been putting on the field. Yeah the offensive line is attrocious, but maye Freddie and co. can scheme around that better as well. Last year when he called the plays for the Browns game they didn't score much, That said he schemed open that sorry group of WRs like other teams do getting more then a few yards of separation, problem was McCoy in that game was way off missing couple wide open TDs and several chain movers. he's gonna be more multiple more modern in his approach will tweak the routes to help clear space out for guys to work. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 24, 2021 8:08:55 GMT -5
It worries me to touch anything Browns related I wouldn't worry much we have been the new Browns for about 6 or 7 years. I said it about 8 or 9 years ago it was happening the old boards were all over me well it came true. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 24, 2021 8:13:07 GMT -5
It's really no different what McAdoo did to Eli.
I think, looking back this did happen and Eli's physical skills were also on the downswing. Terrible combo. Yea when TC walked out he door max protect and extra TEs and chips went with him, Mac stated he wanted Eli to move his feet make his own space, Mac wanted 3 or more in the pattern, the OL was not good enough to handle it with 5 or 6 at most blockers, square peg round hole syndrome Eli was a pure pocket passer not Arron Rodgers. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 24, 2021 8:15:28 GMT -5
That’s my thinking. I’m not implying there aren’t other issues to overcome. But there is way too much talent on that offense for these results. Ditto on this. Not sure why posters are talking up potential records down the stretch…..I know this is a Kitchens/offensive thread but the Giants ain’t beating anyone if their defensive philosophy of bend, bend, bend over doesn’t change. The offense may improve vastly but that won’t equate to more wins until the DC starts using his personnel better as well. Giants are kind of stuck there until they can get after the QB better. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Nov 24, 2021 8:23:03 GMT -5
Ditto on this. Not sure why posters are talking up potential records down the stretch…..I know this is a Kitchens/offensive thread but the Giants ain’t beating anyone if their defensive philosophy of bend, bend, bend over doesn’t change. The offense may improve vastly but that won’t equate to more wins until the DC starts using his personnel better as well. Giants are kind of stuck there until they can get after the QB better. which has been our defensive liability for many years now. |
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Post by jaymas on Nov 24, 2021 9:11:34 GMT -5
I think, looking back this did happen and Eli's physical skills were also on the downswing. Terrible combo. Yea when TC walked out he door max protect and extra TEs and chips went with him, Mac stated he wanted Eli to move his feet make his own space, Mac wanted 3 or more in the pattern, the OL was not good enough to handle it with 5 or 6 at most blockers, square peg round hole syndrome Eli was a pure pocket passer not Arron Rodgers. For sure. I think more concerning than Mac's over reliance on 11 personnel was how all power running concepts left, and the route options that were TC/Gilbride staples essentially disappeared. It was the most boring west coast passing attack I've ever seen and had removed all it's hyrbrid personality by getting rid of the TC things. |
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Post by snyder55 on Nov 24, 2021 10:09:38 GMT -5
is anybody else getting tired of complaining about the offensive line, its been going on for too long now... Seems many have forgotten the injuries the Offensive line has taken this season .Season ending injuries. injuries are usually the excuse of a losing team, good teams just plug and play.... |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 24, 2021 10:11:18 GMT -5
Yea when TC walked out he door max protect and extra TEs and chips went with him, Mac stated he wanted Eli to move his feet make his own space, Mac wanted 3 or more in the pattern, the OL was not good enough to handle it with 5 or 6 at most blockers, square peg round hole syndrome Eli was a pure pocket passer not Arron Rodgers. For sure. I think more concerning than Mac's over reliance on 11 personnel was how all power running concepts left, and the route options that were TC/Gilbride staples essentially disappeared. It was the most boring west coast passing attack I've ever seen and had removed all it's hyrbrid personality by getting rid of the TC things. Slant city lol how did we get 2 of the most boring play callers that are from 2 different systems. He and Garret are very similar in that respect boring and predictable, Shurmur has been the best play caller and QB guy since TC left. |
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Post by snyder55 on Nov 24, 2021 10:13:43 GMT -5
I don't care who the OC is, Jones is what he is, another dime a dozen QB with an arm with no QB instincts! Guy looks like a deer in the headlights. We will see a up and coming QB next week. this just goes to show how much it means with training in the Manning Football Camp, and thats the reason he was drafted by the Giants IMO, mistake 101 for drafting a QB... |
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 24, 2021 10:20:52 GMT -5
I don't care who the OC is, Jones is what he is, another dime a dozen QB with an arm with no QB instincts! Guy looks like a deer in the headlights. We will see a up and coming QB next week. this just goes to show how much it means with training in the Manning Football Camp, and thats the reason he was drafted by the Giants IMO, mistake 101 for drafting a QB... No he wasn't People need to stop with this "hE was jUsT lIkE eLi Bs" Shurmer hand picked him because he saw Jones as a perfect fit for his system To 100% debunk this,if Herbert came out in 2019 he would be our current qb because Gettleman was I'm full bloom love and Shurmer was probably as well.. There are 5224242 plus reasons to blame the Giants way for everything and we would all be right This isn't one of them And FWIW Herbert,Allen and most of the qbs that are starting in tbe league and good went to the Manning passing camps |
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Post by snyder55 on Nov 24, 2021 10:25:19 GMT -5
this just goes to show how much it means with training in the Manning Football Camp, and thats the reason he was drafted by the Giants IMO, mistake 101 for drafting a QB... No he wasn't People need to stop with this "hE was jUsT lIkE eLi Bs" Shurmer hand picked him because he saw Jones as a perfect fit for his system To 100% debunk this,if Herbert came out in 2019 he would be our current qb because Gettleman was I'm full bloom love and Shurmer was probably as well.. There are 5224242 plus reasons to blame the Giants way for everything and we would all be right This isn't one of them And FWIW Herbert,Allen and most of the qbs that are starting in tbe league and good went to the Manning passing camps if what you say is true then I stand corrected in my opinion.. |
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