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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 10, 2022 13:05:18 GMT -5
I love how Gettlemen is amoung the worst GM's in the history of the NFL and doesn't even have to answer for it. Just peacefully takes his pictures with his family and rides off into the sunset. Earning some generational income along the way. only one who doesn’t hide is the HC.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 10, 2022 13:06:36 GMT -5
Mara's quote said GM has oversight of coaching...yet, you retained your head coach before a GM was onboarded. Or does it mean Judge issuing about his business until the GM decides if he wants him or not. Unless that GM has an already committed candidate to come with him sounds like a recipe to hire a head coach very late.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 10, 2022 13:08:04 GMT -5
I just don't know what the organization is so afraid of. It would be tough to be worse than what we've got going on right now. Even if Kevin Abrams is capable (or Joe Judge for that matter), so are plenty of other people. Make a fundamental change. The worst-case scenario is the status quo, performance-wise.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 10, 2022 13:11:43 GMT -5
I just don't know what the organization is so afraid of. It would be tough to be worse than what we've got going on right now. Even if Kevin Abrams is capable (or Joe Judge for that matter), so are plenty of other people. Make a fundamental change. The worst-case scenario is the status quo, performance-wise. doubt it will get worse performance wise. Broken record since 2012, build the OL. Worst thing that can happen imo, a new GM comes in and goes BAP at the draft and the Giants walk away with a S and CB.
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Post by mattmeyerbud on Jan 10, 2022 13:15:19 GMT -5
I wish DG well in his retirement. He tried but he failed and had a fair chance to succeed. He's not the only thing wrong with this franchise, far from it, but deserves his fair share of the blame.
The job of the GM is to do what is best for the team in the short term and long term. Dave did neither.
And that's not meant to be just a knock on him. It's the truth.
Jerry Reese succeeded with short term success but failed with his long term plan as well.
Putting your team in salary cap hell means you haven't done your job well. Period.
In Reese's defense, winning two superbowls will kill your team cap wise especially because there was such a rebuild between both wins. I'd take 2 superbowls in the next 5 years and then eat another decade like the one we just had
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Post by McCherry on Jan 10, 2022 13:16:53 GMT -5
They are saying that the new GM will have run of the organization, including coaching on NFL Now. Lets not all despair until we have to!! Looking at the national reaction to Joe Judge, I can't imagine how they could possibly force him on an outside GM candidate. Unless the search is another sham and they just plan to hire Abrams and keep the status quo.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 13:17:44 GMT -5
Giants begin search for next GM. Rest of the league has a huge jump start on us. Too late. And by the way….just get out.
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Post by SG88 on Jan 10, 2022 13:19:35 GMT -5
Let me know when Fredo steps away from player personnel and when Judge gets his walking papers. Until those things happen, Gettleman is just another scapegoated fall guy.
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Post by te88 on Jan 10, 2022 13:19:56 GMT -5
They are saying that the new GM will have run of the organization, including coaching on NFL Now. Lets not all despair until we have to!! Looking at the national reaction to Joe Judge, I can't imagine how they could possibly force him on an outside GM candidate. Unless the search is another sham and they just plan to hire Abrams and keep the status quo. Seems like there is a window open here to have the new GM decide. Ownerships statement specifically noted new GM would oversee entire operation including, player personnel, college scouting and coaching. If that is true there is hope. I’m not convinced it’s actually true though.
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Post by repeatchamps on Jan 10, 2022 13:20:55 GMT -5
Let me know when Fredo steps away from player personnel and when Judge gets his walking papers. Until those things happen, Gettleman is just another scapegoated fall guy. Yup and it will just be Abrams promoted. This was always going to be the way. Any thought of anything other than this was a pipe dream in fantasy land.
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Post by SG88 on Jan 10, 2022 13:20:58 GMT -5
They are saying that the new GM will have run of the organization, including coaching on NFL Now. Lets not all despair until we have to!! Looking at the national reaction to Joe Judge, I can't imagine how they could possibly force him on an outside GM candidate. Unless the search is another sham and they just plan to hire Abrams and keep the status quo. I wonder how they could sell Abrams and Joe Judge to this fan base. I would hate to be the one that has to do that.
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Post by repeatchamps on Jan 10, 2022 13:22:58 GMT -5
Looking at the national reaction to Joe Judge, I can't imagine how they could possibly force him on an outside GM candidate. Unless the search is another sham and they just plan to hire Abrams and keep the status quo. I wonder how they could sell Abrams and Joe Judge to this fan base. I would hate to be the one that has to do that. They do not care about having to try to sell it. They sell it by saying "I'm the owner and I can do what I want. Take it or leave it." Nothing more has to be said from their perspective.
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Post by SG88 on Jan 10, 2022 13:25:23 GMT -5
I wonder how they could sell Abrams and Joe Judge to this fan base. I would hate to be the one that has to do that. They do not care about having to try to sell it. They sell it by saying "I'm the owner and I can do what I want. Take it or leave it." Nothing more has to be said from their perspective. I can't dispute that.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jan 10, 2022 13:30:57 GMT -5
The job of the GM is to do what is best for the team in the short term and long term. Dave did neither.
And that's not meant to be just a knock on him. It's the truth.
Jerry Reese succeeded with short term success but failed with his long term plan as well.
Putting your team in salary cap hell means you haven't done your job well. Period.
In Reese's defense, winning two superbowls will kill your team cap wise especially because there was such a rebuild between both wins. I'd take 2 superbowls in the next 5 years and then eat another decade like the one we just had
That's an excellent point about what winning does to your team. Not only does everyone want to get paid, but coaches get plucked off your staff as well. I think that's why it's crucial to have the right guy running this team. I think we have the right to expect respectability in our off years. the NY Giants should never be among the worst teams in the league.
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Post by spaceweather on Jan 10, 2022 13:33:57 GMT -5
"retired" 19-46 what a complete LOSER. Wish him nothing but the worst.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 10, 2022 13:38:09 GMT -5
Exactly.
Typical Mara bullshit until I see the new GM come in and heads starting rolling starting with Judge.
By the statement in that letter. The New GM has the ability to fire Chris Mara. I would want the GM to start with him. Fire Fredo
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 10, 2022 13:38:37 GMT -5
19-46 since drafting Barkley #2 overall.
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Post by TEM on Jan 10, 2022 13:40:28 GMT -5
By the statement in that letter. The New GM has the ability to fire Chris Mara. I would want the GM to start with him. Fire Fredo Like Daddy's boys are going to allow that to happen? I can smell their BS from here.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 10, 2022 13:43:05 GMT -5
whatever...
this org is still doing stupid shit
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Post by lt56 on Jan 10, 2022 13:49:30 GMT -5
well glad one of the Dark Clouds over this organization is gone
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Post by mattmeyerbud on Jan 10, 2022 13:50:38 GMT -5
In Reese's defense, winning two superbowls will kill your team cap wise especially because there was such a rebuild between both wins. I'd take 2 superbowls in the next 5 years and then eat another decade like the one we just had
That's an excellent point about what winning does to your team. Not only does everyone want to get paid, but coaches get plucked off your staff as well. I think that's why it's crucial to have the right guy running this team. I think we have the right to expect respectability in our off years. the NY Giants should never be among the worst teams in the league.
No argument there
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Post by jaymas on Jan 10, 2022 13:55:43 GMT -5
In Reese's defense, winning two superbowls will kill your team cap wise especially because there was such a rebuild between both wins. I'd take 2 superbowls in the next 5 years and then eat another decade like the one we just had
That's an excellent point about what winning does to your team. Not only does everyone want to get paid, but coaches get plucked off your staff as well. I think that's why it's crucial to have the right guy running this team. I think we have the right to expect respectability in our off years. the NY Giants should never be among the worst teams in the league.
And really, until 2017, Reese avoided having one of the worst teams in the league.
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Post by mendy on Jan 10, 2022 13:57:33 GMT -5
Mara's quote said GM has oversight of coaching...yet, you retained your head coach before a GM was onboarded. I don't think Judge's job is secure. How could it be? I don't think so either but they seem willing to let who ever the new person is make that call. Isn't that what the fans want, the GM to hire his own person?
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Post by mendy on Jan 10, 2022 13:59:30 GMT -5
The job of the GM is to do what is best for the team in the short term and long term. Dave did neither.
And that's not meant to be just a knock on him. It's the truth.
Jerry Reese succeeded with short term success but failed with his long term plan as well.
Putting your team in salary cap hell means you haven't done your job well. Period.
In Reese's defense, winning two superbowls will kill your team cap wise especially because there was such a rebuild between both wins. I'd take 2 superbowls in the next 5 years and then eat another decade like the one we just had You might but many fans want total rebuilds year after year here.
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Post by repeatchamps on Jan 10, 2022 14:03:03 GMT -5
I don't think Judge's job is secure. How could it be? I don't think so either but they seem willing to let who ever the new person is make that call. Isn't that what the fans want, the GM to hire his own person? They say that in their PR statement to placate the fan base but it's all likely for show. They will not hire a GM here who wants Judge fired. Been saying so for weeks and as long as the Mara's are in charge that's how things are going to work.
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Post by thetruth on Jan 10, 2022 14:07:15 GMT -5
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Post by Roosevelt on Jan 10, 2022 14:07:49 GMT -5
I don't think Judge's job is secure. How could it be? I don't think so either but they seem willing to let who ever the new person is make that call. Isn't that what the fans want, the GM to hire his own person?
Yes, but we have to allow everyone a little time to blow off steam.
Let's check back on this in a couple months.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 10, 2022 14:12:24 GMT -5
It's a timing thing. If the new GM really gets to make the call. Now he has to come in, get acclimated, assess Judge, make a decision on Judge, then find a new coach. Rather than just find a new coach.
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Post by Kase1 on Jan 10, 2022 14:16:03 GMT -5
God I hope we don't hire Abrams.... I know it's coming, but maybe, JUST MAYBE there is a chance Mara will do the right thing and hire OUTSIDE of the organization
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Post by cruzsoldier on Jan 10, 2022 14:16:53 GMT -5
I hope he's changed his adult diaper....
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