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Post by repeatchamps on Jan 10, 2022 14:17:12 GMT -5
God I hope we don't hire Abrams.... I know it's coming, but maybe, JUST MAYBE there is a chance Mara will do the right thing and hire OUTSIDE of the organization 0 chance of happening. Less than 0.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Jan 10, 2022 14:18:30 GMT -5
Or does it mean Judge issuing about his business until the GM decides if he wants him or not. Unless that GM has an already committed candidate to come with him sounds like a recipe to hire a head coach very late. Probably the plan let all the good HC go to other teams and leave them the scrap....Joe Judge.
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Post by mendy on Jan 10, 2022 14:23:30 GMT -5
God I hope we don't hire Abrams.... I know it's coming, but maybe, JUST MAYBE there is a chance Mara will do the right thing and hire OUTSIDE of the organization You mean like Shumur , you mean like Judge , you mean like McAdoo?
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 10, 2022 14:23:35 GMT -5
I don't think so either but they seem willing to let who ever the new person is make that call. Isn't that what the fans want, the GM to hire his own person?
Yes, but we have to allow everyone a little time to blow off steam.
Let's check back on this in a couple months.
steam aside, is it really that complex not to give into temptation? Ooooh a DE, oh look a WR . . . surprise a HB . Why is it so hard to select OL with more than one pick? I don’t get it. Block for you QB, give him time, give receivers time, open a hole for you HB, control the LOS . . . nope, forget those ideas i found a CB with “dawg” in him. Wait? Want? “Dawg”? Also found am eating run stuffer the size of a NT for DE. 🤷♂️ How about OL? Nope, we’re good. I don’t get why this is so complex.
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 10, 2022 14:26:06 GMT -5
Looking at the national reaction to Joe Judge, I can't imagine how they could possibly force him on an outside GM candidate. Unless the search is another sham and they just plan to hire Abrams and keep the status quo. Seems like there is a window open here to have the new GM decide. Ownerships statement specifically noted new GM would oversee entire operation including, player personnel, college scouting and coaching. If that is true there is hope. I’m not convinced it’s actually true though. It a GM comes in and says “a bag of hammers is a better option than Judge”, Judge is safe. If a GM comes in with a plan, a reasoned argument why it will work, and a candidate that will take the job, Judge is toast. I don’t like John Mara but I don’t think he’s an idiot. If he gets blown away by a GM who says he wants “this guy who will sign with me” instead of Judge”, Judge won’t survive. The aimless, strategy-less, plan-less, “we’ll find someone better” is what they’ve been doing, and what John is trying to stop.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jan 10, 2022 14:32:19 GMT -5
Yes, but we have to allow everyone a little time to blow off steam.
Let's check back on this in a couple months.
steam aside, is it really that complex not to give into temptation? Ooooh a DE, oh look a WR . . . surprise a HB . Why is it so hard to select OL with more than one pick? I don’t get it. Block for you QB, give him time, give receivers time, open a hole for you HB, control the LOS . . . nope, forget those ideas i found a CB with “dawg” in him. Wait? Want? “Dawg”? Also found am eating run stuffer the size of a NT for DE. 🤷♂️ How about OL? Nope, we’re good. I don’t get why this is so complex. Watching Reese and now Gettleman fail to fix the Oline I'm left wondering why it's been so difficult. When you think about all the players drafted and signed as free agents, it's not as if they failed to bring in guys. The problem has been that the players they've brought in have not worked out. And how many OL coaches and consultants did this team use this year? I really don't understand how we could fail at this one position for so long.
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Post by mendy on Jan 10, 2022 14:36:22 GMT -5
steam aside, is it really that complex not to give into temptation? Ooooh a DE, oh look a WR . . . surprise a HB . Why is it so hard to select OL with more than one pick? I don’t get it. Block for you QB, give him time, give receivers time, open a hole for you HB, control the LOS . . . nope, forget those ideas i found a CB with “dawg” in him. Wait? Want? “Dawg”? Also found am eating run stuffer the size of a NT for DE. 🤷♂️ How about OL? Nope, we’re good. I don’t get why this is so complex. Watching Reese and now Gettleman fail to fix the Oline I'm left wondering why it's been so difficult. When you think about all the players drafted and signed as free agents, it's not as if they failed to bring in guys. The problem has been that the players they've brought in have not worked out. And how many OL coaches and consultants did this team use this year? I really don't understand how we could fail at this one position for so long.
I've said this exact thing before when others said the O line was "neglected" it was not but for whatever reason no one has be able to straighten it out.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Jan 10, 2022 14:41:21 GMT -5
Seems like there is a window open here to have the new GM decide. Ownerships statement specifically noted new GM would oversee entire operation including, player personnel, college scouting and coaching. If that is true there is hope. I’m not convinced it’s actually true though. It a GM comes in and says “a bag of hammers is a better option than Judge”, Judge is safe. If a GM comes in with a plan, a reasoned argument why it will work, and a candidate that will take the job, Judge is toast. I don’t like John Mara but I don’t think he’s an idiot. If he gets blown away by a GM who says he wants “this guy who will sign with me” instead of Judge”, Judge won’t survive. The aimless, strategy-less, plan-less, “we’ll find someone better” is what they’ve been doing, and what John is trying to stop. wishful thinking he will either A. Hire a GM that is ok with judge staying on B. Force Judge on the new GM. His past history screams this to me.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 10, 2022 14:47:19 GMT -5
steam aside, is it really that complex not to give into temptation? Ooooh a DE, oh look a WR . . . surprise a HB . Why is it so hard to select OL with more than one pick? I don’t get it. Block for you QB, give him time, give receivers time, open a hole for you HB, control the LOS . . . nope, forget those ideas i found a CB with “dawg” in him. Wait? Want? “Dawg”? Also found am eating run stuffer the size of a NT for DE. 🤷♂️ How about OL? Nope, we’re good. I don’t get why this is so complex. Watching Reese and now Gettleman fail to fix the Oline I'm left wondering why it's been so difficult. When you think about all the players drafted and signed as free agents, it's not as if they failed to bring in guys. The problem has been that the players they've brought in have not worked out. And how many OL coaches and consultants did this team use this year? I really don't understand how we could fail at this one position for so long.
we know the college game is different. I get that makes is challenging but my gosh. What’s with the journeymen? A late pick? During the cap era the Giants stockpiled DE since that 2012 (whenever) playoff debacle vs the 49ers. Osi had that lis franc foot thing, Tuck had issues yet they still had JPP while Kiwi was in and out. They stockpiled. Why not OL? They have never done it. It’s killing them.
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Post by lasion2 on Jan 10, 2022 14:47:25 GMT -5
I’ll believe the part about the gm overseeing coaches and personnel when I see it.
Bye Dave. Don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.
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Post by devilsadvocate on Jan 10, 2022 14:47:48 GMT -5
Even if the new GM has the ability to fire Judge it will be so far down the timeline that the available pool of candidates will have been reduced.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 10, 2022 14:49:49 GMT -5
Seems like there is a window open here to have the new GM decide. Ownerships statement specifically noted new GM would oversee entire operation including, player personnel, college scouting and coaching. If that is true there is hope. I’m not convinced it’s actually true though. It a GM comes in and says “a bag of hammers is a better option than Judge”, Judge is safe. If a GM comes in with a plan, a reasoned argument why it will work, and a candidate that will take the job, Judge is toast. I don’t like John Mara but I don’t think he’s an idiot. If he gets blown away by a GM who says he wants “this guy who will sign with me” instead of Judge”, Judge won’t survive. The aimless, strategy-less, plan-less, “we’ll find someone better” is what they’ve been doing, and what John is trying to stop. This is starting to seem like what's going on here. And I'm on board with it. Don't have confidence the strategy can be executed...but it at least seems like a better strategy.
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Post by SG88 on Jan 10, 2022 14:50:11 GMT -5
Even if the new GM has the ability to fire Judge it will be so far down the timeline that the available pool of candidates will have been reduced. Significantly reduced unless they've already spoken to someone's agent and have a handshake deal in place.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 14:50:40 GMT -5
Looking at the national reaction to Joe Judge, I can't imagine how they could possibly force him on an outside GM candidate. Unless the search is another sham and they just plan to hire Abrams and keep the status quo. I wonder how they could sell Abrams and Joe Judge to this fan base. I would hate to be the one that has to do that. You are mistaken in thinking that people who are this arrogant are also timid.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 10, 2022 14:53:38 GMT -5
Watching Reese and now Gettleman fail to fix the Oline I'm left wondering why it's been so difficult. When you think about all the players drafted and signed as free agents, it's not as if they failed to bring in guys. The problem has been that the players they've brought in have not worked out. And how many OL coaches and consultants did this team use this year? I really don't understand how we could fail at this one position for so long.
I've said this exact thing before when others said the O line was "neglected" it was not but for whatever reason no one has be able to straighten it out. Banking on mediocrity is “neglected”. Com’on, this has been going on for a decade. Add one body and hope. Draft one body and free agent while another walks. This OL has been a joke.
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 10, 2022 14:55:05 GMT -5
It a GM comes in and says “a bag of hammers is a better option than Judge”, Judge is safe. If a GM comes in with a plan, a reasoned argument why it will work, and a candidate that will take the job, Judge is toast. I don’t like John Mara but I don’t think he’s an idiot. If he gets blown away by a GM who says he wants “this guy who will sign with me” instead of Judge”, Judge won’t survive. The aimless, strategy-less, plan-less, “we’ll find someone better” is what they’ve been doing, and what John is trying to stop. This is starting to seem like what's going on here. And I'm on board with it. Don't have confidence the strategy can be executed...but it at least seems like a better strategy. You and I are on the same page. It’s a reasonable strategy. It still doesn’t fix the fact that John struggles attracting and/or picking the talent he needs, and staying out of the kitchen. So yes, this will still be a dumpster fire because I don’t think the GM we would need to fix this would touch this franchise with a 10 ft pole. We’ve got “B” level ownership, they’ll hire “C” level talent.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 10, 2022 14:55:08 GMT -5
Yeah, no way an incoming GM that makes the case to fire Judge, doesn't have ready candidates where the confidence level is very high they'd come. Only way to do this without the time thing becoming a significant issue.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 15:00:32 GMT -5
It’s sooooo ****ed up. I just got some time to read the article. It seems once upon a time, the guy didn’t do a very bad job at all for us. WTF?!
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Post by jaymas on Jan 10, 2022 15:02:27 GMT -5
This is starting to seem like what's going on here. And I'm on board with it. Don't have confidence the strategy can be executed...but it at least seems like a better strategy. You and I are on the same page. It’s a reasonable strategy. It still doesn’t fix the fact that John struggles attracting and/or picking the talent he needs, and staying out of the kitchen. So yes, this will still be a dumpster fire because I don’t think the GM we would need to fix this would touch this franchise with a 10 ft pole. We’ve got “B” level ownership, they’ll hire “C” level talent. All we can hope for is the allure of fixing the NYG still matters. It's going to be interesting.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 10, 2022 15:05:03 GMT -5
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Post by lasion2 on Jan 10, 2022 15:10:57 GMT -5
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Post by Roosevelt on Jan 10, 2022 15:21:50 GMT -5
Watching Reese and now Gettleman fail to fix the Oline I'm left wondering why it's been so difficult. When you think about all the players drafted and signed as free agents, it's not as if they failed to bring in guys. The problem has been that the players they've brought in have not worked out. And how many OL coaches and consultants did this team use this year? I really don't understand how we could fail at this one position for so long.
I've said this exact thing before when others said the O line was "neglected" it was not but for whatever reason no one has be able to straighten it out.
The question then becomes should the Giants keep taking Olinemen at the expense of other players at other positions that they've got rated higher?
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Post by McCherry on Jan 10, 2022 15:30:01 GMT -5
I've said this exact thing before when others said the O line was "neglected" it was not but for whatever reason no one has be able to straighten it out.
The question then becomes should the Giants keep taking Olinemen at the expense of other players at other positions that they've got rated higher? Sign Brandon Scherff, draft one of the top Tackles and you’ve got your OL. Fill out the last two spots with incumbents, mid-level signings, or mid-round picks. I know fans want first round picks at every position, but that is not how you build an OL.
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 10, 2022 15:54:38 GMT -5
The man retired the day he was hired. We just paid for his grandchildren's college tuition for the next century.
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 10, 2022 16:04:58 GMT -5
They will begin a search for the next GM which means we are behind the curve, as usual. I can't believe that we will start now when that is something we should have been doing 6 months ago, if its true and we're just starting now it shows why we suck so bad...
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 10, 2022 16:10:32 GMT -5
the only way to force these owners to do whats right by this franchise is to not show up at the games...
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 10, 2022 17:14:02 GMT -5
Watching Reese and now Gettleman fail to fix the Oline I'm left wondering why it's been so difficult. When you think about all the players drafted and signed as free agents, it's not as if they failed to bring in guys. The problem has been that the players they've brought in have not worked out. And how many OL coaches and consultants did this team use this year? I really don't understand how we could fail at this one position for so long.
I've said this exact thing before when others said the O line was "neglected" it was not but for whatever reason no one has be able to straighten it out. Anyone saying it was neglected is hating. The solutions didn’t work, and that’s enough for a’ firin’. But to say he ignored/neglected just isn’t accurate.
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 10, 2022 17:17:36 GMT -5
The question then becomes should the Giants keep taking Olinemen at the expense of other players at other positions that they've got rated higher? Sign Brandon Scherff, draft one of the top Tackles and you’ve got your OL. Fill out the last two spots with incumbents, mid-level signings, or mid-round picks. I know fans want first round picks at every position, but that is not how you build an OL. Well said. We’ve fallen prey to this “we need X so take the best available at that position in the draft” mentality that isn’t working. Draft talent/character, we either reach for guys or pick guys for need that too often don’t turn out.
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Post by redbeardxxv on Jan 10, 2022 17:21:55 GMT -5
He addressed it, but poorly. We need to draft better, choose free agents better, and develop talent better. That all falls on the GM and the coaches he chooses. So, who chose Judge? Mara. That's part of the franchise's disfunction. Mara needs to sit back and shut up. Let football people make football decisions.
Not that I'm defending Gettleman in ANY way. Personally, I think they should have interrupted his retirement press conference to fire him before he could get the words out.
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Post by FBomb on Jan 10, 2022 18:33:37 GMT -5
He addressed it, but poorly. We need to draft better, choose free agents better, and develop talent better. That all falls on the GM and the coaches he chooses. So, who chose Judge? Mara. That's part of the franchise's disfunction. Mara needs to sit back and shut up. Let football people make football decisions. Not that I'm defending Gettleman in ANY way. Personally, I think they should have interrupted his retirement press conference to fire him before he could get the words out. Lmao. That would have been to fun watch. Cut up his keycard in front of him and have security escort him off the property.
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