Eazy E
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Post by Eazy E on Jan 12, 2022 14:31:03 GMT -5
Mr Mara a word to the wise from a loyal fan. Cant you learn to just S.T.F.U. I dont want to hear reasoning, or any type of backhanded excuses or anything social media from you. My only concern is that you let the right football people do football things. This is not about your family or your legacy. We just want to win, thats all. Go learn something from the Rooneys and just sit back and S.T.F.U.. You could say or better yet have your public relations department announce a new GM and related staff, thats it. From that point I only want to hear from you when your hoisting up the NFC championship trophy or the Lombardi Trophy. You have done enough damage as it is. Please S.T.F.U.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 12, 2022 14:31:34 GMT -5
So because he wouldn't give them the blood they were looking for he won't make meaningful change BS. when asked about his Brother he said he is an owner and a talented talent evaluator and they value his opinion and also said all decisions are the GMs and Coaches and have been. Leonard is a bigger weenie then Mara. give them blood? These were honest questions any intelligent person would ask and want answered from a franchise that has been disheveled and ruined at one of its lowest points in its history and asking tough questions about those who have played a part in that is .... asking for blood? Yea it is, This franchise has been a shit show for 10 years and he wasn't throwing the whole 9 yards on 1 guy. Leonard has been dying for this day from the get go, We got what we wanted GM and Coach gone why does it matter, Really what do they or us get from it, if that is being framed as not having meaningful change it's pretty weak. Not being disrespectful because I think you guys are some of the better posters here, This means 0 to me they let the guy retire if he didn't then they would have to answer for his firing, a lot of football people are gonna get their dreams crushed for the Giants starting with Gettlemen and Judge thats enough for me and I'm sure more will be coming.
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 12, 2022 14:36:18 GMT -5
So how many coach/GM firings will need to happen before the fan base stops celebrating that process and keeps pressure on our owner (and his family/friends) to step back. 3rd GM, 5th coach, in 6 years. His reaction to that question bothers me so much. He’s absolutely positive he’s not part of the problem???? Blind and stubborn. Check, check. I don't think he needed to answer that question just like with TC we all including the person asking it new what it was. I'm gonna watch how this process unfolds before I side up with the media that is looking fro blood, I do like him talking to players the Rangers do that I believe at the end of every season it was probably why torts got fired years ago. He was tough on the players. Were fans looking for blood with Judge/Gettleman, or accountability? John and his FO are the common denominator with all of the change since our last SB win. We can have Two problems at the same time. We could be hiring the wrong GM/HC and we could have an owner who has assembled an outdated ineffective FO that isn’t set up to succeed against other FOs (player evaluation, executive evaluation, retention, continuous improvement, system of internal evaluation, public relations). Saying he doesn’t need to answer that question is a big problem in my eyes. How many GMs/HCs does it take before we consider that the problem is Mara?
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Post by allnygin on Jan 12, 2022 14:36:50 GMT -5
give them blood? These were honest questions any intelligent person would ask and want answered from a franchise that has been disheveled and ruined at one of its lowest points in its history and asking tough questions about those who have played a part in that is .... asking for blood? Yea it is, This franchise has been a shit show for 10 years and he wasn't throwing the whole 9 yards on 1 guy. Leonard has been dying for this day from the get go, We got what we wanted GM and Coach gone why does it matter, Really what do they or us get from it, if that is being framed as not having meaningful change it's pretty weak. Not being disrespectful because I think you guys are some of the better posters here, This means 0 to me they let the guy retire if he didn't then they would have to answer for his firing, a lot of football people are gonna get their dreams crushed for the Giants starting with Gettlemen and Judge thats enough for me and I'm sure more will be coming. Do you not see what the common denominators are? It seems these issues go deeper than just hc/gms.. WE've gone through them at a rapid rate and the same FO with exception of a new GM comes in the rest, usually stays largely in tact. Chris, Abrams, the other Chris etc.. Why are they getting a freee pass? How is asking that asking for blood. I want wholesales changes, I want the incompetence out of the decision making, or the ones in charge of something so ****ing important like the draft. Maybe that starts with mara given this new GM full say over what happens, and if Mara actually does that then its a step in the right direction. Asking questions about his family and the good ol' boys club who've been the one constant in all of this is not "asking for blood" it's fair.
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Post by nick030567 on Jan 12, 2022 14:40:44 GMT -5
Yup, what we expected. He lost the room. I'm sure the offense was done after the QB sneaks lol. And I'm sure the defense didn't appreciate them busting their asses for the offensive play callers to not even try (despite their struggles).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 14:41:04 GMT -5
going to players for their thoughts is a step in the right direction I would say I knew all that tough old school disciplinarian making guys run laps...yeah that won't work in 2021 now 2022 so yeah I'm sure most of the players did not like Judge at all I say it’s pretty stupid too. But trying to instill discipline to a group of adults is stupid in itself. If need be, what is the best way to go about doing it? Boot camp isn’t for everyone.
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Post by DJones19 on Jan 12, 2022 14:45:18 GMT -5
Finally agree with John about something.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jan 12, 2022 14:46:16 GMT -5
Pat Leonard? lol.
The beat writer on the top of my do-not-listen-to list is Pat.
John said there was little benefit to letting Dave go early because all the top candidates are employed by other teams. Was Pat not listening? Maybe that was his dog barking?
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 12, 2022 14:48:35 GMT -5
So how many coach/GM firings will need to happen before the fan base stops celebrating that process and keeps pressure on our owner (and his family/friends) to step back. 3rd GM, 5th coach, in 6 years. His reaction to that question bothers me so much. He’s absolutely positive he’s not part of the problem???? Blind and stubborn. Check, check. This Chris Mara thing bothers me. He just gives his input but doesn't have final say? It hasn't dawned on Mara that an owner's "input" is probably given a huge amount of weight in the building regardless of whether or not the guy has "final say". If he is giving "input", he has influence, it's as simple as that. To dent that is just stupid. The other side of the coin is this: If it's true that Chris Mara doesn't really do much, are you telling me that our Senior VP of Player Evaluation doesn't do shit? Could this possibly be why our player evaluations suck? Silver-Spooned Weenie
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Post by DJones19 on Jan 12, 2022 14:50:01 GMT -5
Yup, what we expected. He lost the room. Make decisions based on what his employees and fans think he should do... what happened to not letting the inmates run the asylum? Mara has a plan but always cracks under pressure when confronted with an angry mob. Isn't this exactly what happened with the majority of the last 4 head coaching changes? 5th time is the charm? I'm being told it's different this time!
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jan 12, 2022 14:51:57 GMT -5
Mara clearly stated how personnel decisions are made.
Coach and GM need to agree and he has veto power which he only uses for off field stuff...
GM and coach should always be in lock step.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jan 12, 2022 14:53:27 GMT -5
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Post by allnygin on Jan 12, 2022 14:54:11 GMT -5
Pat Leonard? lol.
The beat writer on the top of my do-not-listen-to list is Pat.
John said there was little benefit to letting Dave go early because all the top candidates are employed by other teams. Was Pat not listening? Maybe that was his dog barking?
My thoughts on pat are with you. However, "John Mara vehemently pushes back against his family as the problem" Oh really, than what the **** has it been Mr. Mara? The good ol boys are always the same in this equation. BUT i do like where mara's head is at finally allowing them the have full hands on the rooster with no other input except there's at least he says.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 12, 2022 14:55:19 GMT -5
Yea it is, This franchise has been a shit show for 10 years and he wasn't throwing the whole 9 yards on 1 guy. Leonard has been dying for this day from the get go, We got what we wanted GM and Coach gone why does it matter, Really what do they or us get from it, if that is being framed as not having meaningful change it's pretty weak. Not being disrespectful because I think you guys are some of the better posters here, This means 0 to me they let the guy retire if he didn't then they would have to answer for his firing, a lot of football people are gonna get their dreams crushed for the Giants starting with Gettlemen and Judge thats enough for me and I'm sure more will be coming. Do you not see what the common denominators are? It seems these issues go deeper than just hc/gms.. WE've gone through them at a rapid rate and the same FO with exception of a new GM comes in the rest, usually stays largely in tact. Chris, Abrams, the other Chris etc.. Why are they getting a freee pass? How is asking that asking for blood. I want wholesales changes, I want the incompetence out of the decision making, or the ones in charge of something so ****ing important like the draft. Maybe that starts with mara given this new GM full say over what happens, and if Mara actually does that then its a step in the right direction. Asking questions about his family and the good ol' boys club who've been the one constant in all of this is not "asking for blood" it's fair. There is no guarantee Abrams will be here he is out of the GM equation, in the press conference that is exactly what he said GM Coach are the main voices when it comes to player aquition, He also answered the Gentlemen question saying firing him before the season ended gave them no advantage because all of the people they wanted to talk to had to wait for the season to be over, he answered all the questions they are sticking buy the fact that the GM and Coach are the most important voices in the organization, Not for nothing I have heard more then once that his nephew Tim Mc donald is a smart young up and coming talent evaluator he has worked for ND in the college ranks, I'm just saying what was portrayed in that tweet wasn't completely accurate. Honestly I think Abrams and Pettit are probably gone after the draft and Abrams because he is a solid front office guy has a better chance then Pettit to survive.
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Post by allnygin on Jan 12, 2022 14:57:10 GMT -5
Do you not see what the common denominators are? It seems these issues go deeper than just hc/gms.. WE've gone through them at a rapid rate and the same FO with exception of a new GM comes in the rest, usually stays largely in tact. Chris, Abrams, the other Chris etc.. Why are they getting a freee pass? How is asking that asking for blood. I want wholesales changes, I want the incompetence out of the decision making, or the ones in charge of something so ****ing important like the draft. Maybe that starts with mara given this new GM full say over what happens, and if Mara actually does that then its a step in the right direction. Asking questions about his family and the good ol' boys club who've been the one constant in all of this is not "asking for blood" it's fair. There is no guarantee Abrams will be here he is out of the GM equation, in the press conference that is exactly what he said GM Coach are the main voices when it comes to player aquition, He also answered the Gentlemen question saying firing him before the season ended gave them no advantage because all of the people they wanted to talk to had to wait for the season to be over, he answered all the questions they are sticking buy the fact that the GM and Coach are the most important voices in the organization, Not for nothing I have heard more then once that his nephew Tim Mc donald is a smart young up and coming talent evaluator he has worked for ND in the college ranks, I'm just saying what was portrayed in that tweet wasn't completely accurate. Honestly I think Abrams and Pettit are probably gone after the draft and Abrams because he is a solid front office guy has a better chance then Pettit to survive. I don't care about the gentlemen issue - that was never the premise of my post.. I could care less that he didn't answer that.. I care about the complete disregard saying his family isn't the problem.. I'm including his family as some of the other hire ups in influential positions within the org that have clearly been part of the problem.
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Post by Roswell on Jan 12, 2022 14:57:29 GMT -5
So because he wouldn't give them the blood they were looking for he won't make meaningful change BS. when asked about his Brother he said he is an owner and a talented talent evaluator and they value his opinion and also said all decisions are the GMs and Coaches and have been. Leonard is a bigger weenie then Mara. I agree. Pat Leonard is the worst.
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 12, 2022 15:00:04 GMT -5
So how many coach/GM firings will need to happen before the fan base stops celebrating that process and keeps pressure on our owner (and his family/friends) to step back. 3rd GM, 5th coach, in 6 years. His reaction to that question bothers me so much. He’s absolutely positive he’s not part of the problem???? Blind and stubborn. Check, check. This Chris Mara thing bothers me. He just gives his input but doesn't have final say? It hasn't dawned on Mara that an owner's "input" is probably given a huge amount of weight in the building regardless of whether or not the guy has "final say". If he is giving "input", he has influence, it's as simple as that. To dent that is just stupid. The other side of the coin is this: If it's true that Chris Mara doesn't really do much, are you telling me that our Senior VP of Player Evaluation doesn't do shit? Could this possibly be why our player evaluations suck? Silver-Spooned Weenie I played high school ball for less than a year. I’m not qualified to really evaluate player performance more than an armchair fan. Not to sound like a big shot (I’m not) but I live in boardrooms. When you want to win a management decision with someone who may disagree with you, stack the room with people that will agree with you. And be smart about it. You make sure they disagree sometimes so they sound impartial.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 12, 2022 15:02:46 GMT -5
Pat Leonard? lol.
The beat writer on the top of my do-not-listen-to list is Pat.
John said there was little benefit to letting Dave go early because all the top candidates are employed by other teams. Was Pat not listening? Maybe that was his dog barking?
He also missed the part that Chris Mara has 0 authority and it is the GM and coach who have the power. Now maybe they need a productive person with some say in that spot that Chris occupies.
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Post by allnygin on Jan 12, 2022 15:05:38 GMT -5
Pat Leonard? lol.
The beat writer on the top of my do-not-listen-to list is Pat.
John said there was little benefit to letting Dave go early because all the top candidates are employed by other teams. Was Pat not listening? Maybe that was his dog barking?
He also missed the part that Chris Mara has 0 authority and it is the GM and coach who have the power. Now maybe they need a productive person with some say in that spot that Chris occupies. exactly then what the **** is he doing as Vice President of Player Evaluation and why is someone better qualified not doing it?
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Post by allnygin on Jan 12, 2022 15:07:02 GMT -5
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Post by Roswell on Jan 12, 2022 15:08:05 GMT -5
So how many coach/GM firings will need to happen before the fan base stops celebrating that process and keeps pressure on our owner (and his family/friends) to step back. 3rd GM, 5th coach, in 6 years. His reaction to that question bothers me so much. He’s absolutely positive he’s not part of the problem???? Blind and stubborn. Check, check. This Chris Mara thing bothers me. He just gives his input but doesn't have final say? It hasn't dawned on Mara that an owner's "input" is probably given a huge amount of weight in the building regardless of whether or not the guy has "final say". If he is giving "input", he has influence, it's as simple as that. To dent that is just stupid. The other side of the coin is this: If it's true that Chris Mara doesn't really do much, are you telling me that our Senior VP of Player Evaluation doesn't do shit? Could this possibly be why our player evaluations suck? Silver-Spooned Weenie Dawned on Mara? The freaking sun doesn't even dawn on Mara.
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Post by allnygin on Jan 12, 2022 15:08:36 GMT -5
I guess the main querstion that will be asked of these potential new gms will be... Can you play well with the good ol' boys?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 12, 2022 15:10:27 GMT -5
There is no guarantee Abrams will be here he is out of the GM equation, in the press conference that is exactly what he said GM Coach are the main voices when it comes to player aquition, He also answered the Gentlemen question saying firing him before the season ended gave them no advantage because all of the people they wanted to talk to had to wait for the season to be over, he answered all the questions they are sticking buy the fact that the GM and Coach are the most important voices in the organization, Not for nothing I have heard more then once that his nephew Tim Mc donald is a smart young up and coming talent evaluator he has worked for ND in the college ranks, I'm just saying what was portrayed in that tweet wasn't completely accurate. Honestly I think Abrams and Pettit are probably gone after the draft and Abrams because he is a solid front office guy has a better chance then Pettit to survive. I don't care about the gentlemen issue - that was never the premise of my post.. I could care less that he didn't answer that.. I care about the complete disregard saying his family isn't the problem.. I'm including his family as some of the other hire ups in influential positions within the org that have clearly been part of the problem. I think I will wait before I get myself all pissed off again, So far they have made strides towards getting things ironed out. I can't go down a negative road before they even hire some one, so far they have done more then I thought firing Judge and keeping Abrams out of the GM chair. hopefully there will be more coming but that won't happen quickly they need to get through the draft first.
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Post by allnygin on Jan 12, 2022 15:11:30 GMT -5
I don't care about the gentlemen issue - that was never the premise of my post.. I could care less that he didn't answer that.. I care about the complete disregard saying his family isn't the problem.. I'm including his family as some of the other hire ups in influential positions within the org that have clearly been part of the problem. I think I will wait before I get myself all pissed off again, So far they have made strides towards getting things ironed out. I can't go down a negative road before they even hire some one, so far they have done more then I thought firing Judge and keeping Abrams out of the GM chair. hopefully there will be more coming but that won't happen quickly they need to get through the draft first. totally fair
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Post by McCherry on Jan 12, 2022 15:13:46 GMT -5
Pat Leonard? lol.
The beat writer on the top of my do-not-listen-to list is Pat.
John said there was little benefit to letting Dave go early because all the top candidates are employed by other teams. Was Pat not listening? Maybe that was his dog barking?
He also missed the part that Chris Mara has 0 authority and it is the GM and coach who have the power. Now maybe they need a productive person with some say in that spot that Chris occupies. I think that's exactly where we’re headed. Certain members of the media want to feed fan frenzy with the Chris Mara "runs the team" theory. Maybe years ago Chris had more of a role, but that has been marginalized. He'll always have a title, but that doesn't mean he has any power.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 12, 2022 15:14:16 GMT -5
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 12, 2022 15:15:26 GMT -5
He also missed the part that Chris Mara has 0 authority and it is the GM and coach who have the power. Now maybe they need a productive person with some say in that spot that Chris occupies. exactly then what the **** is he doing as Vice President of Player Evaluation and why is someone better qualified not doing it? I'm hoping they restructure the whole front office I'm not opposed to Chris having a title and some part time scouting or something. I have also read one rthe years he is pretty solid scout.
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Post by allnygin on Jan 12, 2022 15:19:46 GMT -5
exactly then what the **** is he doing as Vice President of Player Evaluation and why is someone better qualified not doing it? I'm hoping they restructure the whole front office I'm not opposed to Chris having a title and some part time scouting or something. I have also read one rthe years he is pretty solid scout. all i know is the same ppl holding titles of power and influence have been around for this whole shit show year after year. To much of a coincidence for me. I'll wait to see who they get as GM and what happens this offseason, but John Mara and his crew do not get the benefit of the doubt from me at all at this point. I like Mara the man... I haven't liked Mara and his croonies running the giants to this point though either.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 12, 2022 15:22:05 GMT -5
Yup, what we expected. He lost the room. worst roster in the league has a say yet owner Chris Mara doesn't Yeah ok
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Post by allnygin on Jan 12, 2022 15:26:12 GMT -5
Per John:
"My Brother, spends most of his time doing evaluations on College Players his grades go into our system and he participates in his draft"
ummm that's called influence
"Chris Mara has 0 authority"... yeah okay.
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