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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 19, 2022 20:09:54 GMT -5
Carson Strong! He's a FA and I've been watching tape of him for months. We don't need a QB from this draft. We can just grab him of the FA list for pennies on the dollar. He's head and shoulders better than any QB in the draft. No brainer!! Oh, that guy was a hoot. Carson Strong was already deemed ineligible to start at QB in the NFL because it was basically cheating. |
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Post by snyder55 on Oct 20, 2022 10:00:23 GMT -5
is everybody still down on DJ ?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 20, 2022 10:21:58 GMT -5
is everybody still down on DJ ? I just dont think we pay him a mega deal. If he takes a discount, then possibly depending on how the rest of the season unfolds (performance and health). 3 years $60M? $40M guaranteed? Then tag SQB and thats $32M for both in 2023. Draft a WR in the 1st, OL in the 2nd. Use the rest of our cap on CB and LB. If not though, yeah we need to still think QB in 2023, but our draft slot has changed enormously. |
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Post by snyder55 on Oct 20, 2022 15:44:06 GMT -5
I'm not still down on DJ but I want to see more, if he can stay at the pace he is on now then there might not be a need to look for a replacement...
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 20, 2022 16:38:11 GMT -5
is everybody still down on DJ ? I just dont think we pay him a mega deal. If he takes a discount, then possibly depending on how the rest of the season unfolds (performance and health). 3 years $60M? $40M guaranteed? Then tag SQB and thats $32M for both in 2023. Draft a WR in the 1st, OL in the 2nd. Use the rest of our cap on CB and LB. If not though, yeah we need to still think QB in 2023, but our draft slot has changed enormously. Yep The dynamic of this season has changed so quickly... It's a good gameplan for sure |
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Post by knixknation on Oct 20, 2022 17:09:13 GMT -5
Carson Strong! He's a FA and I've been watching tape of him for months. We don't need a QB from this draft. We can just grab him of the FA list for pennies on the dollar. He's head and shoulders better than any QB in the draft. No brainer!! Oh, that guy was a hoot. Carson Strong was already deemed ineligible to start at QB in the NFL because it was basically cheating. He should be ineligible because he has only one working knee. |
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Post by lt56 on Oct 22, 2022 20:04:10 GMT -5
6 TD Day for Hartman, he can throw it for sure
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Post by TEM on Oct 25, 2022 18:53:30 GMT -5
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Post by Nite on Oct 26, 2022 9:01:30 GMT -5
Current Crop in case DJ and future HoFer DAVIS WEBB doesn't work out..
1) S Hartman (Wake)
2) S Bennett (GA)
3) B Young (AL)
4) CJ Stroud (O State)
5) W Rogers (Miss State)
6) B Nix? (Ore)
7) W Levis (Ken)
8) Grayson McCall (Coastal Car) - stats are impressive could be a good day 3 pickup
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 6, 2022 7:25:16 GMT -5
Is Bryce Young losing his status as the classes top QB?
And Tyler Van Dyke is awful. He is most likely returning. Levis too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2022 10:46:23 GMT -5
Is Bryce Young losing his status as the classes top QB? And Tyler Van Dyke is awful. He is most likely returning. Levis too. I don't believe so....IMHO he is still QB1 despite no playoffs this year Also want to add Levis will be a top 5 QB...still. Of course these are my opinions, and on occasion I have been wrong a lot.... in the past.  Stroud, Levis and Bryce Young top three QB's. Giants are rolling with Jones and I believe will be looking WR/CB in the 1st round |
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Post by lt56 on Dec 30, 2022 23:48:39 GMT -5
Very impressed with Joe Milton III, kid has a Cannon, pure Pocket Passer too stands tall in the Pocket doesn't really look to run much but this kid is flicking the ball 50, 60 yards down field effortlessly
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 31, 2022 10:47:55 GMT -5
Very impressed with Joe Milton III, kid has a Cannon, pure Pocket Passer too stands tall in the Pocket doesn't really look to run much but this kid is flicking the ball 50, 60 yards down field effortlessly Insane.... |
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Post by keyofgmen on Dec 31, 2022 11:29:09 GMT -5
Very impressed with Joe Milton III, kid has a Cannon, pure Pocket Passer too stands tall in the Pocket doesn't really look to run much but this kid is flicking the ball 50, 60 yards down field effortlessly That was really something! |
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 31, 2022 14:07:31 GMT -5
Anyone still think Bryce Young isn't legit
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Post by lt56 on Dec 31, 2022 14:48:26 GMT -5
Yeah Bryce finishing his great college career strong
TD #5
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Post by DJones19 on Dec 31, 2022 16:22:13 GMT -5
Bryce Young looks like he throws a really accurate ball.
Mobility and accuracy seem to be his strengths...similar to a young Russell Wilson.
College ball is strange to watch though - it makes me a little bit jealous due to the lack of pass rush he faces a lot of plays...all day to throw - nothing like the pro game.
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Post by lt56 on Dec 31, 2022 23:10:11 GMT -5
CJ Stroud telling Bryce Young...  the hype for the 2023 QB Draft Class is very real |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 1, 2023 4:47:37 GMT -5
CJ Stroud telling Bryce Young... the hype for the 2023 QB Draft Class is very real That was my exact thought.... There are your first 2 picks in the draft right there |
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 1, 2023 7:20:16 GMT -5
both Stroud and Young played really well yesterday, and pretty much stamped their tickets to the top of the draft.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 2, 2023 7:47:20 GMT -5
Texans take Bryce Young
Indy gets CJ Stroud unless Seattle goes QB with Denvers pick.
Giants have at best pick 23 now.
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Post by TEM on Jan 2, 2023 7:57:51 GMT -5
What make any of you think we are picking a QB in the 1st? It is a death sentence for the GM to place his eggs in basket 23. At that point you throw darts at the 3 and 4th round. (Statically the same for success) 77% bust rate in the lower 3rd of the 1st. Besides we have the best QB the ever played in the preseason in the waiting. (The Mike White of the preseason).
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 2, 2023 9:12:51 GMT -5
What make any of you think we are picking a QB in the 1st? It is a death sentence for the GM to place his eggs in basket 23. At that point you throw darts at the 3 and 4th round. (Statically the same for success) 77% bust rate in the lower 3rd of the 1st. Besides we have the best QB the ever played in the preseason in the waiting. (The Mike White of the preseason). I think most have moved on from that thought since we started out winning so much pushing our pick back. I certainly dont want a QB at 23. That said, you never know what Schoen and Daboll have up their sleeves. Aaron Rodgers was pick 26 no? If they realize they arent going to keep DJ, and they really like a QB who falls to 23, well, they have to go for it. |
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Post by TEM on Jan 2, 2023 9:23:34 GMT -5
What make any of you think we are picking a QB in the 1st? It is a death sentence for the GM to place his eggs in basket 23. At that point you throw darts at the 3 and 4th round. (Statically the same for success) 77% bust rate in the lower 3rd of the 1st. Besides we have the best QB the ever played in the preseason in the waiting. (The Mike White of the preseason). I think most have moved on from that thought since we started out winning so much pushing our pick back. I certainly dont want a QB at 23. That said, you never know what Schoen and Daboll have up their sleeves. Aaron Rodgers was pick 26 no? If they realize they arent going to keep DJ, and they really like a QB who falls to 23, well, they have to go for it. t the stats are against it. Here is every QB taken from 20-32 Kenny Pickett Richie Petitbon Johnny Manziel Brandon Weeden Brady Quinn J.P. Losman Rex Grossman Eddie Crowder Paul Campbell Steve Fuller Aaron Rodgers
Todd Marinovich Ken O'Brien Eddie Wilson Rudy Bukich Tim Tebow Jason Campbell Tommy Maddox Eldridge Dickey Don HornCharley Britt Jordan Love Paxton Lynch Jim Druckenmiller Jim Harbaugh Don Klosterman Dan Marino
Tommy Kramer Mark Malone Dale Samuels Rick Norton Fran Tarkenton
Dennis Shaw Terry Hanratty Gary Beban Bob David John Roach Al DorowLamar Jackson
Teddy Bridgewater Patrick Ramsey Drew Brees
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 2, 2023 9:58:34 GMT -5
I think most have moved on from that thought since we started out winning so much pushing our pick back. I certainly dont want a QB at 23. That said, you never know what Schoen and Daboll have up their sleeves. Aaron Rodgers was pick 26 no? If they realize they arent going to keep DJ, and they really like a QB who falls to 23, well, they have to go for it. t the stats are against it. Here is every QB taken from 20-32 Kenny Pickett Richie Petitbon Johnny Manziel Brandon Weeden Brady Quinn J.P. Losman Rex Grossman Eddie Crowder Paul Campbell Steve Fuller Aaron Rodgers
Todd Marinovich Ken O'Brien Eddie Wilson Rudy Bukich Tim Tebow Jason Campbell Tommy Maddox Eldridge Dickey Don HornCharley Britt Jordan Love Paxton Lynch Jim Druckenmiller Jim Harbaugh Don Klosterman Dan Marino
Tommy Kramer Mark Malone Dale Samuels Rick Norton Fran Tarkenton
Dennis Shaw Terry Hanratty Gary Beban Bob David John Roach Al DorowLamar Jackson
Teddy Bridgewater Patrick Ramsey Drew Brees
Mike Elkins Of course the stats are against it. Now use a baseline stat to compare it against. The stats show EVERY POSITION is worse off between 20-32 as opposed to a top 20 pick. You more reliable and better odds are always the top half of the 1st round picks. Also, start listing off the QBs that were busts in the top 20. There are a ton. That said, if they really like a QB in this draft, and they don't sign DJ due to some other team offering 5 years $40M per or whatever, and that QB they like falls to 23, they have to draft him no? |
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Post by TEM on Jan 2, 2023 10:39:19 GMT -5
t the stats are against it. Here is every QB taken from 20-32 Kenny Pickett Richie Petitbon Johnny Manziel Brandon Weeden Brady Quinn J.P. Losman Rex Grossman Eddie Crowder Paul Campbell Steve Fuller Aaron Rodgers
Todd Marinovich Ken O'Brien Eddie Wilson Rudy Bukich Tim Tebow Jason Campbell Tommy Maddox Eldridge Dickey Don HornCharley Britt Jordan Love Paxton Lynch Jim Druckenmiller Jim Harbaugh Don Klosterman Dan Marino
Tommy Kramer Mark Malone Dale Samuels Rick Norton Fran Tarkenton
Dennis Shaw Terry Hanratty Gary Beban Bob David John Roach Al DorowLamar Jackson
Teddy Bridgewater Patrick Ramsey Drew Brees
Mike Elkins Of course the stats are against it. Now use a baseline stat to compare it against. The stats show EVERY POSITION is worse off between 20-32 as opposed to a top 20 pick. You more reliable and better odds are always the top half of the 1st round picks. Also, start listing off the QBs that were busts in the top 20. There are a ton. That said, if they really like a QB in this draft, and they don't sign DJ due to some other team offering 5 years $40M per or whatever, and that QB they like falls to 23, they have to draft him no? Isn't this thread about QBs? I would not draft a Qb in the bottom of the 1st. There are reasons the fall. As I said the probability is the same in the 3rd and 4th DTs and WRs and ILBs are safer picks in the bottom of the 1st. Here are DTs 20-32 Wilson Faumuina Ken Novak Phil Taylor Vince Wilfork
Gabriel Rivera Bob Bell
Ernie Stautner
Marcus Jones
William Perry
Mike Dawson
Art Thoms
Sharrif Floyd Marcus Tubbs Bill Kollar
Peria Jerry Reggie McGrew Leonard Renfro Eugene Trosch William Joseph Chris Hovan
Ted Washington
James White
Mike Kadish
Dan Williams
John McCargo
Dana Stubblefield
Ted Gregory Julius Adams
Walter Johnson
Kenny Clark
Lester Williams
Don Latimer
Leo Wisniewski Devonte Wyatt Jerry Tillery
Sylvester Williams
Jared Odrick
Luis Castillo
Taven Bryan
Robert Nkemdiche Dominique Easley
Kentwan Balmer Louis Kelcher
Vernon Butler Muhammad Wilkerson
Leon Bender Rick Terry James Robinson
Bob Slater Leo Brooks
Mike Patterson
Nathan Davis Fred Smerlas
Jeff Winans Ron Carpenter
Fred Washington Malcom Brown
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Post by TEM on Jan 2, 2023 11:38:23 GMT -5
Here is WRs 20-32
Kadarius Toney
Nelson Agholor
Brandin Cooks
Kendall Wright
Javon Walker
Aaron Cox
Haywood Jeffires
Alphonso Williams
Mike Quick
Willis Adams
Dennis Homan
Jalen Reagor
Will Fuller
Matt Jones
Sylvester Morris
Randy Moss
Johnnie Morton
Tim McGee
Lynn Swann
Barry Smith
Mike Siani
Justin Jefferson
Josh Doctson
Demaryius Thomas
Percy Harvin
Mark Clayton
Andre Rison
John Pitts
Laquon Treadwell
Dwayne Bowe
Randal Hill
Jessie Hester
Duane Gunn
Louis Lipps
Lance Rentzel
D.J. Moore
Dez Bryant
Eric Moulds
Thomas Lewis
Derrick Crawford
Roger Carr
Earl McCullouch
Brandon Aiyuk
Marquise Brown
Santonio Holmes
Freddie Mitchell
O.J. McDuffie
Stanley Morgan
John Eddie
Tony Rodgers
Eddie Hinton
Calvin Ridley
Breshad Perriman
Jonathan Baldwin
Alexander Wright
Danny Knight
Randy Burke
Rashod Bateman
DeAndre Hopkins
Robert Meachem
Roddy White
Rae Carruth
Shawn Collins
Wendell Davis
Ricky Nattiel
Kelvin Benjamin
Reggie Rembert
Mark Ingram
Chris Woods
Ron Shanklin
Jim Kelly
Phillip Dorsett
Cordarrelle Patterson
Hakeem Nicks
Michael Jenkins
R. Jay Soward
Derrick Alexander
James Owens
John Holland
A.J. Jenkins
Kenny Britt
Craig Davis
Reggie Wayne
Marcus Nash
Darnay Scott
John Ford
Rashaun Woods
Alex Van Dyke
Carl Pickens
Lawyer Tillman
Vance Johnson
Ray Poage
Tommy McDonald
N'Keal Harry
Anthony Gonzalez
Dennis Northcutt
Kevin Johnson
Jerome Pathon
Henry Ellard
Johnny Perkins
62% chance of a 6 year + WR.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 2, 2023 16:00:54 GMT -5
TEM What does bold mean in your lists? I see a lot of meh guys bolded outside your QB list.
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Post by TEM on Jan 2, 2023 16:04:51 GMT -5
TEM What does bold mean in your lists? I see a lot of meh guys bolded outside your QB list. Draft picks that lasted in the league 6 years +. That is all you need out of a non-QB draft pick in the cap era. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 2, 2023 16:11:43 GMT -5
TEM What does bold mean in your lists? I see a lot of meh guys bolded outside your QB list. Draft picks that lasted in the league 6 years +. That is all you need out of a non-QB draft pick in the cap era. I don't think that matter much. There are 32 starting QB spots in this league. There are between 64-96 starting WRs in this league. Same with CBs. Same with Safeties, DEs and OLBs. Same with OL. That gives those positions much more need and keeps the lesser talent in the league longer. Not apples to apples comparison. There are a lot of names you boldened that I wouldnt touch. Notice how the lists for non QBs is much longer? Also, you should take into consideration percentages. Maybe we should look at probowls or MVPs or something. |
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