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Post by TEM on Jan 2, 2023 16:16:51 GMT -5
Draft picks that lasted in the league 6 years +. That is all you need out of a non-QB draft pick in the cap era. I don't think that matter much. There are 32 starting QB spots in this league. There are between 64-96 starting WRs in this league. Same with CBs. Same with Safeties, DEs and OLBs. Same with OL. That gives those positions much more need and keeps the lesser talent in the league longer. Not apples to apples comparison. There are a lot of names you boldened that I wouldnt touch. Maybe we should look at probowls or MVPs or something. Both are subjective designations. Just look at Andrew Thomas this year. What has Rodgers won in the past 12 years? Neither are metrics for success or every player in the NFL would need that classification. I run numbers all the time. The data does not concur with most fans' beliefs |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 2, 2023 16:24:14 GMT -5
I don't think that matter much. There are 32 starting QB spots in this league. There are between 64-96 starting WRs in this league. Same with CBs. Same with Safeties, DEs and OLBs. Same with OL. That gives those positions much more need and keeps the lesser talent in the league longer. Not apples to apples comparison. There are a lot of names you boldened that I wouldnt touch. Maybe we should look at probowls or MVPs or something. Both are subjective designations. Just look at Andrew Thomas this year. What has Rodgers won in the past 12 years? Neither are metrics for success or every player in the NFL would need that classification. I run numbers all the time. The data does not concur with most fans' beliefs This is true, Im just trying to figure out a better way to analyze what we are discussing. I don't think your method is fair based on what I just said about the amount of players by position. 6 years as a starting QB isnt the same as 6 years as a starting WR because of it. How can we label a "successful" draft pick by position? |
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Post by TEM on Jan 2, 2023 16:29:16 GMT -5
Both are subjective designations. Just look at Andrew Thomas this year. What has Rodgers won in the past 12 years? Neither are metrics for success or every player in the NFL would need that classification. I run numbers all the time. The data does not concur with most fans' beliefs This is true, Im just trying to figure out a better way to analyze what we are discussing. I don't think your method is fair based on what I just said about the amount of players by position. 6 years as a starting QB isnt the same as 6 years as a starting WR because of it. How can we label a "successful" draft pick by position? I was just showing what is a safer pick in the bottom half of the 1st. A QB is historically a bad pick. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 2, 2023 16:38:40 GMT -5
This is true, Im just trying to figure out a better way to analyze what we are discussing. I don't think your method is fair based on what I just said about the amount of players by position. 6 years as a starting QB isnt the same as 6 years as a starting WR because of it. How can we label a "successful" draft pick by position? I was just showing what is a safer pick in the bottom half of the 1st. A QB is historically a bad pick. Right, but you are going off of what you bolded right? Listen, I agree the further you go from pick 1 the odds get worse and worse you will land a QB. But I also think the same is said for all positions taken. So should we not take a LT or DE outside of the top 20? I rememebr a few years back, most of the top QBs were picked outside the top 20. It was Rodgers, Wilson, Brady, Brees, Romo, Jackson and guys like Derek Carr, Dalton, Kaepernick, Hurts, Prescott, Cousins, Garappolo, etc... All later picks for QB. Not top 20. Im probably missing some too. I feel like Pickett makes this list too soon. |
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Post by TEM on Jan 2, 2023 16:46:07 GMT -5
I was just showing what is a safer pick in the bottom half of the 1st. A QB is historically a bad pick. Right, but you are going off of what you bolded right? Listen, I agree the further you go from pick 1 the odds get worse and worse you will land a QB. But I also think the same is said for all positions taken. So should we not take a LT or DE outside of the top 20? I rememebr a few years back, most of the top QBs were picked outside the top 20. It was Rodgers, Wilson, Brady, Brees, Romo, Jackson and guys like Derek Carr, Dalton, Kaepernick, Hurts, Prescott, Cousins, Garappolo, etc... All later picks for QB. Not top 20. Im probably missing some too. The odds do not change much form the bottom of 1st to the 3rd 4th 5th 6th rounds. As with the bottom of the 1st. All in the 75 to 85% bust rates. Out of the 1st and 2nd. The draft capital become more palatable to throw darts at with draft picks for QBs Football is played on 3 fields, The Cap, The Draft, and the Sunday field. A good GM must be able to win on all 3. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 2, 2023 16:50:32 GMT -5
Right, but you are going off of what you bolded right? Listen, I agree the further you go from pick 1 the odds get worse and worse you will land a QB. But I also think the same is said for all positions taken. So should we not take a LT or DE outside of the top 20? I rememebr a few years back, most of the top QBs were picked outside the top 20. It was Rodgers, Wilson, Brady, Brees, Romo, Jackson and guys like Derek Carr, Dalton, Kaepernick, Hurts, Prescott, Cousins, Garappolo, etc... All later picks for QB. Not top 20. Im probably missing some too. The odds do not change much form the bottom of 1st to the 3rd 4th 5th 6th rounds. as with the bottom of the 1st. All in the 75 to 85% bust rates. Out of the 1st and 2nd. The draft capital become more palatable to throw darts at with draft picks for QBs Ill tell you what also matter tremendously about drafting a QB and his success, WHERE he gets drafted to and WHO is coaching them. With what I see year 1 from Daboll and DJ, I feel very confortable. |
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Post by lt56 on Jan 2, 2023 17:46:57 GMT -5
Very Early Top QBs to look out for in 2024:
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Post by DonnieYen on Jan 2, 2023 21:02:00 GMT -5
Dolphins QB Tua's little Brother Maryland's QB Taulia we should get this guy after re-signing Jones I Think Jones is veteran enough to mentor the kid!
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Post by jppt1974 on Jan 2, 2023 21:19:51 GMT -5
Need to really have teams that can better fit the QB's and the mindset on a physical, emotional, and mental level there. To really need one that is a team leader, a team player, and consistent but healthy.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 10, 2023 9:43:35 GMT -5
Stetson Bennett?
Smaller QB, reminds me of a Drew Brees type though. Very accurate. Fast. Of course, we would need to draft Bowers the following year.
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 4, 2023 19:11:47 GMT -5
McGee from Stanford looks like a decent prospect. Looks to have a rocket for an arm.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 8, 2023 12:08:34 GMT -5
IMO, this will be the draft we will really begin our search for the next Giants franchise QB. Some big names, some unknowns. We got another year to watch this kids play before putting our stamp on anything. 2022 I feel like will be a FA on a short deal, and DJ is healthy. PFF Top 10 List1. BRYCE YOUNG, ALABAMA CRIMSON TIDE 2. CALEB WILLIAMS, TRANSFER PORTAL 3. SPENCER RATTLER, SOUTH CAROLINA GAMECOCKS 4. C.J. STROUD, OHIO STATE BUCKEYES 5. SAM HARTMAN, WAKE FOREST DEMON DEACONS 6. GRAYSON MCCALL, COASTAL CAROLINA CHANTICLEERS 7. BRENNAN ARMSTRONG, VIRGINIA CAVALIERS 8. DILLON GABRIEL, OKLAHOMA SOONERS 9. KEDON SLOVIS, PITTSBURGH PANTHERS 10. TYLER VAN DYKE, MIAMI HURRICANES SLEEPER TO WATCH: J.J. MCCARTHY, MICHIGAN WOLVERINES This list has changed quite a bit eh? 1- Bryce Young (But is he tooooo small?) 2- CJ Stroud (But Ohio State QB....) 3- Will Levis (I personally do not like his play at all) 4- Anthony Richardson (Raw as raw can be, hell of an athlete, very inaccurate) 5- Haden Hooker (Looked great but coming off a serious knee injury) McKee ( I like him), Hall, Bennett, Brennon, Cunningham, Bohanon (my sleeper right now, similar to Richardson in athleticism) |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 1, 2023 8:16:20 GMT -5
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Post by DJones19 on Mar 2, 2023 10:44:01 GMT -5
Bryce Young has chosen not to throw at the combine.
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Post by robl on Mar 2, 2023 19:00:01 GMT -5
Perhaps in the 4th round they're playing our tune:
Clayton Tune
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Post by Analyst on Apr 2, 2023 17:39:35 GMT -5
Several #NFL scouts reportedly believe that #Tennessee QB Hendon Hooker will be selected in the first round.
Hooker has met with the #Colts, #Texans, #Titans, #Giants, and #Bucs.
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Post by Analyst on Apr 7, 2023 6:08:48 GMT -5
Another name to be on the watch for in the mid later rounds for us, Penn St QB Sean Clifford.
"The New York Giants held their local pro day on Thursday and Penn State quarterback Sean Clifford was among the attendees.
Clifford is projected to be a Day 3 selection in the 2023 NFL draft.
Meanwhile, other local pro day attendees include Delaware linebacker Johnny Buchanan, Rutgers defensive back Christian Izien, Purdue long-snapper Nick Zecchino, Princeton tight end Carson Bobo and Temple defensive lineman Xach Gill, reports Art Stapleton of USA TODAY."
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