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Post by te88 on Jan 26, 2022 15:19:58 GMT -5
The Giants are about $7 million over the cap for 2022, which doesn't bode well at all for any sort of a splash addition in free agency. "It's a concern and it's real ... There are going to be difficult decisions that have to be made," Schoen said, per SNY's Ralph Vacchiano.
whomever the Giants select as their new head coach, Schoen said, will need to be a keen developer of the rookie class. "It's going to be important that some of those young players may have to be major contributors in 2022, so the willingness to play young players (is important)," Schoen said.
I like to read that. Recognizes this team is going to be relying on a youth movement. Which is a recognition that it needs to be rebuilt.
Going to lose some veterans
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Post by southerner on Jan 26, 2022 15:27:39 GMT -5
The Giants are about $7 million over the cap for 2022, which doesn't bode well at all for any sort of a splash addition in free agency. "It's a concern and it's real ... There are going to be difficult decisions that have to be made," Schoen said, per SNY's Ralph Vacchiano. whomever the Giants select as their new head coach, Schoen said, will need to be a keen developer of the rookie class. "It's going to be important that some of those young players may have to be major contributors in 2022, so the willingness to play young players (is important)," Schoen said. I like to read that. Recognizes this team is going to be relying on a youth movement. Which is a recognition that it needs to be rebuilt. Going to lose some veterans Everything stated here is true…..and the Giants will really suck next year, but if they play like the Detroit Lions did, then things will be looking up. The Lions didn’t win many games, but they fought hard and were competitive every week, unlike the doormat Giants of 2021.
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Post by ratbastich on Jan 26, 2022 15:28:09 GMT -5
Remember when we used to blast Coughlin and company for always playing the older guys and not giving the younger guys a shot?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2022 15:32:00 GMT -5
The Giants are about $7 million over the cap for 2022, which doesn't bode well at all for any sort of a splash addition in free agency. "It's a concern and it's real ... There are going to be difficult decisions that have to be made," Schoen said, per SNY's Ralph Vacchiano. whomever the Giants select as their new head coach, Schoen said, will need to be a keen developer of the rookie class. "It's going to be important that some of those young players may have to be major contributors in 2022, so the willingness to play young players (is important)," Schoen said. I like to read that. Recognizes this team is going to be relying on a youth movement. Which is a recognition that it needs to be rebuilt. Going to lose some veterans Fine by me. The veterans suck.
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Post by Jomo on Jan 26, 2022 17:46:08 GMT -5
I don't believe that any hard decisions need to be made. They are mostly easy decisions but they will come at a cost.
Maybe some of the better secondary guys like Logan can be traded for something of value. If we dump a contract and get a #4 back, that is progress. Logan won't be here when we are playoff ready anyway.
Get out the hatchet and build through the draft.....there's a novel concept.
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 26, 2022 17:50:46 GMT -5
The thing he has going for him is it will be really had to be worse than 2021.
He's almost guaranteed a better season.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 26, 2022 17:58:53 GMT -5
The Giants are about $7 million over the cap for 2022, which doesn't bode well at all for any sort of a splash addition in free agency. "It's a concern and it's real ... There are going to be difficult decisions that have to be made," Schoen said, per SNY's Ralph Vacchiano. whomever the Giants select as their new head coach, Schoen said, will need to be a keen developer of the rookie class. "It's going to be important that some of those young players may have to be major contributors in 2022, so the willingness to play young players (is important)," Schoen said. I like to read that. Recognizes this team is going to be relying on a youth movement. Which is a recognition that it needs to be rebuilt. Going to lose some veterans I was hoping that was what I was gonna here from him, I have wanted a true youth movement in the front office and on the field since 2014-2015, was hoping chowderhead would have gotten it done but he didn't, I think this guy has the energy and know how to get it done. he fits the criteria of the modern GM Beane brought him into the business side of it salary cap player aquisition and such. As always I'm rooting for him, I actually am not having to convince myself he's gonna be good .
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 26, 2022 18:06:43 GMT -5
I don't believe that any hard decisions need to be made. They are mostly easy decisions but they will come at a cost. Maybe some of the better secondary guys like Logan can be traded for something of value. If we dump a contract and get a #4 back, that is progress. Logan won't be here when we are playoff ready anyway. Get out the hatchet and build through the draft.....there's a novel concept. At this point in Logans career Julian Love is a younger more athletic version a team guy that is versatile. I think Big Blake as much as I like him might be gone as well and Bradberry also Rudolph, just heard Nagy say this big year for TEs in the draft. Maybe a few more Shep could be one might as well rip the band aid off and get going
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Post by McCherry on Jan 26, 2022 18:14:08 GMT -5
I don't believe that any hard decisions need to be made. They are mostly easy decisions but they will come at a cost. Maybe some of the better secondary guys like Logan can be traded for something of value. If we dump a contract and get a #4 back, that is progress. Logan won't be here when we are playoff ready anyway. Get out the hatchet and build through the draft.....there's a novel concept. At this point in Logans career Julian Love is a younger more athletic version a team guy that is versatile. I think Big Blake as much as I like him might be gone as well and Bradberry also Rudolph, just heard Nagy say this big year for TEs in the draft. Maybe a few more Shep could be one might as well rip the band aid off and get going Blake, Shep and Rudolph, probably easy decisions. No one is trading for 31-year-old Ryan making $12M next year. Maybe a pay cut. You still need veteran leaders here.
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Post by Jomo on Jan 26, 2022 18:17:02 GMT -5
At this point in Logans career Julian Love is a younger more athletic version a team guy that is versatile. I think Big Blake as much as I like him might be gone as well and Bradberry also Rudolph, just heard Nagy say this big year for TEs in the draft. Maybe a few more Shep could be one might as well rip the band aid off and get going Blake, Shep and Rudolph, probably easy decisions. No one is trading for 31-year-old Ryan making $12M next year. Maybe a pay cut. You still need veteran leaders here. Just start by hacking. There will be lingering $$ consequences but less so than if we try to keep the pieces in place. We are in the early game, not the end game. Snip snip, cut, cut. We'll figure out the end game in two years. Draft well, sign cap friendly rookies or die another slow death.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 26, 2022 18:26:42 GMT -5
The Giants are about $7 million over the cap for 2022, which doesn't bode well at all for any sort of a splash addition in free agency. "It's a concern and it's real ... There are going to be difficult decisions that have to be made," Schoen said, per SNY's Ralph Vacchiano. whomever the Giants select as their new head coach, Schoen said, will need to be a keen developer of the rookie class. "It's going to be important that some of those young players may have to be major contributors in 2022, so the willingness to play young players (is important)," Schoen said. I like to read that. Recognizes this team is going to be relying on a youth movement. Which is a recognition that it needs to be rebuilt. Going to lose some veterans Fine by me. The veterans suck. Your right, The veterans didn't set a very high bar. lol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2022 18:47:33 GMT -5
Fine by me. The veterans suck. Your right, The veterans didn't set a very high bar. lol A guy made 72mil 40 guaranteed off of us and all he did was show up and probably took a piss. That’s it.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 26, 2022 18:51:48 GMT -5
Blake, Shep and Rudolph, probably easy decisions. No one is trading for 31-year-old Ryan making $12M next year. Maybe a pay cut. You still need veteran leaders here. Just start by hacking. There will be lingering $$ consequences but less so than if we try to keep the pieces in place. We are in the early game, not the end game. Snip snip, cut, cut. We'll figure out the end game in two years. Draft well, sign cap friendly rookies or die another slow death. Think all of those players on the last years of their contract Blake and Bradberry for sure think Ryan also and Rudolph was a 2 year so he is 2. so the damge is limited to this year.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Jan 26, 2022 19:57:33 GMT -5
The Giants are about $7 million over the cap for 2022, which doesn't bode well at all for any sort of a splash addition in free agency. "It's a concern and it's real ... There are going to be difficult decisions that have to be made," Schoen said, per SNY's Ralph Vacchiano. whomever the Giants select as their new head coach, Schoen said, will need to be a keen developer of the rookie class. "It's going to be important that some of those young players may have to be major contributors in 2022, so the willingness to play young players (is important)," Schoen said. I like to read that. Recognizes this team is going to be relying on a youth movement. Which is a recognition that it needs to be rebuilt. Going to lose some veterans Not very difficult lets just look at Dave Gettleman's gross incompetence. This isn't in order of worthlessness just in what is paid and what we will save in cap space.With the exception of Blake Martinez the injury vs the money is why he's on the list. 1.Kyle Rudolph 2 years 16 million can save 5 million has a 2.4 million dead cap hit. 2.Riley Dixon 3 years 8.7 million can save 2.8 million and has a $300,000 dead cap hit. 3.James Bradberry 1 year $21,863,000 million can save 12.3 Million and has a 9.7 million dead cap hit. 4.Sterling Sheppard 2 years 24.2 million can save 8.5 million post June 1st cut 4 million dead cap over 2 seasons (2022-2023) 5.Blake Martinez 1 year 14 mil can save 8.5 million and has a 5.5 million dead cap. If we make these moves it can set us up with cap space for 2023 but I would like to see what we have instead of paying for the garbage that Gettleman overpaid for. 2024 should be when we should spend to upgrade the holes on the team to take us hopefully to the promise land!
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Post by ocgiant on Jan 26, 2022 20:14:31 GMT -5
So it begins, another reset.
With it comes the optimism, the team is built right this time from the ground up
So with having to make player decisons for the cap, I say fire away!
There is some core players to build the future on that we know like Thomas, Toney and McKinney
It does put pressure on the draft since the rookies are going to be playing day one, especially addressing the OL since it looks like DJ will be at the helm for year 4 and he will need to be protected. This is a good reason to hire Dabol since he may be the only OCs to be interviewed and DJ's last/best opportunity to prove he is a capable QB.
Still I am excited to see how the team comes togehter for next season
I just really hope we see a turnaroind in 2-3 years and not any longer!
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 26, 2022 20:38:39 GMT -5
Your right, The veterans didn't set a very high bar. lol A guy made 72mil 40 guaranteed off of us and all he did was show up and probably took a piss. That’s it. Him and our #1 draft choice didn't have a single TD between them.
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Post by Jomo on Jan 26, 2022 21:17:52 GMT -5
The Giants are about $7 million over the cap for 2022, which doesn't bode well at all for any sort of a splash addition in free agency. "It's a concern and it's real ... There are going to be difficult decisions that have to be made," Schoen said, per SNY's Ralph Vacchiano. whomever the Giants select as their new head coach, Schoen said, will need to be a keen developer of the rookie class. "It's going to be important that some of those young players may have to be major contributors in 2022, so the willingness to play young players (is important)," Schoen said. I like to read that. Recognizes this team is going to be relying on a youth movement. Which is a recognition that it needs to be rebuilt. Going to lose some veterans Not very difficult lets just look at Dave Gettleman's gross incompetence. This isn't in order of worthlessness just in what is paid and what we will save in cap space.With the exception of Blake Martinez the injury vs the money is why he's on the list. 1.Kyle Rudolph 2 years 16 million can save 5 million has a 2.4 million dead cap hit. 2.Riley Dixon 3 years 8.7 million can save 2.8 million and has a $300,000 dead cap hit. 3.James Bradberry 1 year $21,863,000 million can save 12.3 Million and has a 9.7 million dead cap hit. 4.Sterling Sheppard 2 years 24.2 million can save 8.5 million post June 1st cut 4 million dead cap over 2 seasons (2022-2023) 5.Blake Martinez 1 year 14 mil can save 8.5 million and has a 5.5 million dead cap. If we make these moves it can set us up with cap space for 2023 but I would like to see what we have instead of paying for the garbage that Gettleman overpaid for. 2024 should be when we should spend to upgrade the holes on the team to take us hopefully to the promise land! Most of these guys were hurt or not contributing much (Bradberry excepted). So we cut them and there is a dead money hit but it's less than paying their salary and they won't be playing for us next year, just like they weren't playing this year. Just swing the axe baby.
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Post by yoho on Jan 26, 2022 21:30:20 GMT -5
Remember when we used to blast Coughlin and company for always playing the older guys and not giving the younger guys a shot? You can do that when you have a veteran team that relays on discipline.
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Post by yoho on Jan 26, 2022 21:33:15 GMT -5
I don't believe that any hard decisions need to be made. They are mostly easy decisions but they will come at a cost. Maybe some of the better secondary guys like Logan can be traded for something of value. If we dump a contract and get a #4 back, that is progress. Logan won't be here when we are playoff ready anyway. Get out the hatchet and build through the draft.....there's a novel concept. At this point in Logans career Julian Love is a younger more athletic version a team guy that is versatile. I think Big Blake as much as I like him might be gone as well and Bradberry also Rudolph, just heard Nagy say this big year for TEs in the draft. Maybe a few more Shep could be one might as well rip the band aid off and get going If they look at film and decide to keep Evan Engram, they damned well better be able to scheme him into the offense next year.
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Post by te88 on Jan 26, 2022 21:35:37 GMT -5
I don't believe that any hard decisions need to be made. They are mostly easy decisions but they will come at a cost. Maybe some of the better secondary guys like Logan can be traded for something of value. If we dump a contract and get a #4 back, that is progress. Logan won't be here when we are playoff ready anyway. Get out the hatchet and build through the draft.....there's a novel concept. I agree. This team isn’t competing in the playoffs for the next couple year. Clear the books while you have the chance. Giants fans have to be ready for more losing in order to finally realize long term gain. No more salvage missions. Sink this wreck and get the keel laid for a real football team.
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Post by moecoastie on Jan 26, 2022 22:18:52 GMT -5
The Giants are about $7 million over the cap for 2022, which doesn't bode well at all for any sort of a splash addition in free agency. "It's a concern and it's real ... There are going to be difficult decisions that have to be made," Schoen said, per SNY's Ralph Vacchiano. whomever the Giants select as their new head coach, Schoen said, will need to be a keen developer of the rookie class. "It's going to be important that some of those young players may have to be major contributors in 2022, so the willingness to play young players (is important)," Schoen said. I like to read that. Recognizes this team is going to be relying on a youth movement. Which is a recognition that it needs to be rebuilt. Going to lose some veterans you should really listen to the audio of the press conference. He literally said "Im not a big tear it up, rebuild...I think you can build a roster to compete today and build for tomorrow" Not much different than what DG said in his press conference. Also, from the sound of it, he doesnt expect to shake up the front office like fans would like him to. While I listened to the press conference, I thought fans wouldnt like what he was saying minus the parts he talked about analytics. But of course, most fans dont listen to the source material. Instead, they are content to have reporters process that information for them. at the end of the day, results trump the cookie cutter/vanilla press conferences.
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Post by Nite on Jan 26, 2022 22:40:40 GMT -5
Yep.. yep... yeppers ..
Our former genius GM tied the team into intrinsic Gordian knots..Its going to take ingenuity (and some balls) to get out from it. But it can be done. I see a bunch of trades for picks, acquiring some inexpensive FAs, re-re-re-structuring contracts and maybe even some horse trading.. The only fly in this ointment is Mara. Can he keep his ego in check and stay the **** out of the process?. I am not optimistic but lets see what happens
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Post by Delicreep on Jan 26, 2022 22:49:55 GMT -5
The Giants are about $7 million over the cap for 2022, which doesn't bode well at all for any sort of a splash addition in free agency. "It's a concern and it's real ... There are going to be difficult decisions that have to be made," Schoen said, per SNY's Ralph Vacchiano. whomever the Giants select as their new head coach, Schoen said, will need to be a keen developer of the rookie class. "It's going to be important that some of those young players may have to be major contributors in 2022, so the willingness to play young players (is important)," Schoen said. I like to read that. Recognizes this team is going to be relying on a youth movement. Which is a recognition that it needs to be rebuilt. Going to lose some veterans Not very difficult lets just look at Dave Gettleman's gross incompetence. This isn't in order of worthlessness just in what is paid and what we will save in cap space.With the exception of Blake Martinez the injury vs the money is why he's on the list. 1.Kyle Rudolph 2 years 16 million can save 5 million has a 2.4 million dead cap hit. 2.Riley Dixon 3 years 8.7 million can save 2.8 million and has a $300,000 dead cap hit. 3.James Bradberry 1 year $21,863,000 million can save 12.3 Million and has a 9.7 million dead cap hit. 4.Sterling Sheppard 2 years 24.2 million can save 8.5 million post June 1st cut 4 million dead cap over 2 seasons (2022-2023) 5.Blake Martinez 1 year 14 mil can save 8.5 million and has a 5.5 million dead cap. If we make these moves it can set us up with cap space for 2023 but I would like to see what we have instead of paying for the garbage that Gettleman overpaid for. 2024 should be when we should spend to upgrade the holes on the team to take us hopefully to the promise land! The dead cap coupled with the need to replace those players is going to hurt...and there is no way around that.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 27, 2022 6:46:20 GMT -5
The Giants are about $7 million over the cap for 2022, which doesn't bode well at all for any sort of a splash addition in free agency. "It's a concern and it's real ... There are going to be difficult decisions that have to be made," Schoen said, per SNY's Ralph Vacchiano. whomever the Giants select as their new head coach, Schoen said, will need to be a keen developer of the rookie class. "It's going to be important that some of those young players may have to be major contributors in 2022, so the willingness to play young players (is important)," Schoen said. I like to read that. Recognizes this team is going to be relying on a youth movement. Which is a recognition that it needs to be rebuilt. Going to lose some veterans Not very difficult lets just look at Dave Gettleman's gross incompetence. This isn't in order of worthlessness just in what is paid and what we will save in cap space.With the exception of Blake Martinez the injury vs the money is why he's on the list. 1.Kyle Rudolph 2 years 16 million can save 5 million has a 2.4 million dead cap hit. 2.Riley Dixon 3 years 8.7 million can save 2.8 million and has a $300,000 dead cap hit. 3.James Bradberry 1 year $21,863,000 million can save 12.3 Million and has a 9.7 million dead cap hit. 4.Sterling Sheppard 2 years 24.2 million can save 8.5 million post June 1st cut 4 million dead cap over 2 seasons (2022-2023) 5.Blake Martinez 1 year 14 mil can save 8.5 million and has a 5.5 million dead cap. If we make these moves it can set us up with cap space for 2023 but I would like to see what we have instead of paying for the garbage that Gettleman overpaid for. 2024 should be when we should spend to upgrade the holes on the team to take us hopefully to the promise land! Most of these they are free and clear after this except for Shep if they do them all they will have some operating space almost 35 mill.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 27, 2022 6:50:35 GMT -5
Not very difficult lets just look at Dave Gettleman's gross incompetence. This isn't in order of worthlessness just in what is paid and what we will save in cap space.With the exception of Blake Martinez the injury vs the money is why he's on the list. 1.Kyle Rudolph 2 years 16 million can save 5 million has a 2.4 million dead cap hit. 2.Riley Dixon 3 years 8.7 million can save 2.8 million and has a $300,000 dead cap hit. 3.James Bradberry 1 year $21,863,000 million can save 12.3 Million and has a 9.7 million dead cap hit. 4.Sterling Sheppard 2 years 24.2 million can save 8.5 million post June 1st cut 4 million dead cap over 2 seasons (2022-2023) 5.Blake Martinez 1 year 14 mil can save 8.5 million and has a 5.5 million dead cap. If we make these moves it can set us up with cap space for 2023 but I would like to see what we have instead of paying for the garbage that Gettleman overpaid for. 2024 should be when we should spend to upgrade the holes on the team to take us hopefully to the promise land! The dead cap coupled with the need to replace those players is going to hurt...and there is no way around that. The whole point is they can lose without them just as well as they have lost with them , this why Gettlemen had to go they should have been drafting for this they are all in the last years of their deals. They will draft their replacements and we will live the growing pains. They will be younger cheaper and hopefully better.
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Post by Delicreep on Jan 27, 2022 7:09:00 GMT -5
The dead cap coupled with the need to replace those players is going to hurt...and there is no way around that. The whole point is they can lose without just as well as they have lost without them this why Gettlemen had to go they should have been drafting for this they are all i the last years of their deals. They will draft their replacements and we will live the growing pains. They will be younger cheaper and hopefully better. No doubt…maybe I’m trying to prepare myself for what may be an ugly road next year, but we have to do it
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 27, 2022 7:34:50 GMT -5
The whole point is they can lose without just as well as they have lost without them this why Gettlemen had to go they should have been drafting for this they are all i the last years of their deals. They will draft their replacements and we will live the growing pains. They will be younger cheaper and hopefully better. No doubt…maybe I’m trying to prepare myself for what may be an ugly road next year, but we have to do it there are different shades of ugly. Our season was the ugly that you can't look it, total train wreak. Lions had an ugly season, but did some things to make their fans hopeful.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Jan 27, 2022 7:46:13 GMT -5
Not very difficult lets just look at Dave Gettleman's gross incompetence. This isn't in order of worthlessness just in what is paid and what we will save in cap space.With the exception of Blake Martinez the injury vs the money is why he's on the list. 1.Kyle Rudolph 2 years 16 million can save 5 million has a 2.4 million dead cap hit. 2.Riley Dixon 3 years 8.7 million can save 2.8 million and has a $300,000 dead cap hit. 3.James Bradberry 1 year $21,863,000 million can save 12.3 Million and has a 9.7 million dead cap hit. 4.Sterling Sheppard 2 years 24.2 million can save 8.5 million post June 1st cut 4 million dead cap over 2 seasons (2022-2023) 5.Blake Martinez 1 year 14 mil can save 8.5 million and has a 5.5 million dead cap. If we make these moves it can set us up with cap space for 2023 but I would like to see what we have instead of paying for the garbage that Gettleman overpaid for. 2024 should be when we should spend to upgrade the holes on the team to take us hopefully to the promise land! Most of these guys were hurt or not contributing much (Bradberry excepted). So we cut them and there is a dead money hit but it's less than paying their salary and they won't be playing for us next year, just like they weren't playing this year. Just swing the axe baby. Bradberry gave up 8 TD’s this season and the speedy/ shifty type WR’s gave him problems how can you pay a CB almost 22 million that is only a zone type CB ? Sorry time to lose the dead weight we need all the cap space possible to rebuild the team in Joe SCHOEN’S and the new HC’s image.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 27, 2022 8:01:27 GMT -5
The whole point is they can lose without just as well as they have lost without them this why Gettlemen had to go they should have been drafting for this they are all i the last years of their deals. They will draft their replacements and we will live the growing pains. They will be younger cheaper and hopefully better. No doubt…maybe I’m trying to prepare myself for what may be an ugly road next year, but we have to do it Might not be as bad as we think tho we will have to see how it all shakes out they probably won't cut them all just what they need to operate and maybe sign some mid tier help.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Jan 27, 2022 8:10:35 GMT -5
Not very difficult lets just look at Dave Gettleman's gross incompetence. This isn't in order of worthlessness just in what is paid and what we will save in cap space.With the exception of Blake Martinez the injury vs the money is why he's on the list. 1.Kyle Rudolph 2 years 16 million can save 5 million has a 2.4 million dead cap hit. 2.Riley Dixon 3 years 8.7 million can save 2.8 million and has a $300,000 dead cap hit. 3.James Bradberry 1 year $21,863,000 million can save 12.3 Million and has a 9.7 million dead cap hit. 4.Sterling Sheppard 2 years 24.2 million can save 8.5 million post June 1st cut 4 million dead cap over 2 seasons (2022-2023) 5.Blake Martinez 1 year 14 mil can save 8.5 million and has a 5.5 million dead cap. If we make these moves it can set us up with cap space for 2023 but I would like to see what we have instead of paying for the garbage that Gettleman overpaid for. 2024 should be when we should spend to upgrade the holes on the team to take us hopefully to the promise land! Most of these they are free and clear after this except for Shep if they do them all they will have some operating space almost 35 mill. I want us to dump the no effort Kenny Golladay we are stuck with him until the end of the 2023 season unless a team is as stupid as we were to trade for him. I actually wonder why did Gettleman get rid of Zeitler ? Why not pay to get a bonafide offensive lineman when the OL was terrible? He said the OL was “set”when they were awful the year prior. He evaluated this OL like he evaluated Eli being a “good” quarterback when he’s was so washed at the time.
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