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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 27, 2022 8:33:41 GMT -5
The Giants are about $7 million over the cap for 2022, which doesn't bode well at all for any sort of a splash addition in free agency. "It's a concern and it's real ... There are going to be difficult decisions that have to be made," Schoen said, per SNY's Ralph Vacchiano. whomever the Giants select as their new head coach, Schoen said, will need to be a keen developer of the rookie class. "It's going to be important that some of those young players may have to be major contributors in 2022, so the willingness to play young players (is important)," Schoen said. I like to read that. Recognizes this team is going to be relying on a youth movement. Which is a recognition that it needs to be rebuilt. Going to lose some veterans Not very difficult lets just look at Dave Gettleman's gross incompetence. This isn't in order of worthlessness just in what is paid and what we will save in cap space.With the exception of Blake Martinez the injury vs the money is why he's on the list. 1.Kyle Rudolph 2 years 16 million can save 5 million has a 2.4 million dead cap hit. 2.Riley Dixon 3 years 8.7 million can save 2.8 million and has a $300,000 dead cap hit. 3.James Bradberry 1 year $21,863,000 million can save 12.3 Million and has a 9.7 million dead cap hit. 4.Sterling Sheppard 2 years 24.2 million can save 8.5 million post June 1st cut 4 million dead cap over 2 seasons (2022-2023) 5.Blake Martinez 1 year 14 mil can save 8.5 million and has a 5.5 million dead cap. If we make these moves it can set us up with cap space for 2023 but I would like to see what we have instead of paying for the garbage that Gettleman overpaid for. 2024 should be when we should spend to upgrade the holes on the team to take us hopefully to the promise land! Very easy fixes and to be honest none of these guys would be much of a loss.. The 2 rookie corners weren't that bad when they played... Contrary to a few loud voices Crowder when paired with Jaylon Smith (who would definitely be a cheap replacement for Martinez)could at the very least hold the fort a year along with maybe a draft pick . Ruckert or someone else drafted mid round would be a cheap replacement for Rudolf Shepard could be replaced by a mid round pick (or maybe see if we can get Issah McKenzie on the cheap). That would leave us a lot of space.....maybe even enough to make a strategic early move of Golladay (a team wouldn't be eating his dead money which is a significant part of his salary)so maybe we get a 4th back and if we have enough space eat the dead money this year..
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 27, 2022 10:05:14 GMT -5
Most of these they are free and clear after this except for Shep if they do them all they will have some operating space almost 35 mill. I want us to dump the no effort Kenny Golladay we are stuck with him until the end of the 2023 season unless a team is as stupid as we were to trade for him. I actually wonder why did Gettleman get rid of Zeitler ? Why not pay to get a bonafide offensive lineman when the OL was terrible? He said the OL was “set”when they were awful the year prior. He evaluated this OL like he evaluated Eli being a “good” quarterback when he’s was so washed at the time. He was wrong thats why he is fired. As far as Galloday goes we will see he has a fresh start come back healthy, in Detroit with a good plan and a good coach he was a beast for DBs to handle. If not he's next on the chopping block. Good plays don't just become bad players in their prime Giants need to figure it out and maybe listen to the player.
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 27, 2022 10:44:58 GMT -5
tighten up your seat belts because next season could be a bumpy ride til we can get back to playing good football....
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 27, 2022 10:47:52 GMT -5
Most of these they are free and clear after this except for Shep if they do them all they will have some operating space almost 35 mill. I want us to dump the no effort Kenny Golladay we are stuck with him until the end of the 2023 season unless a team is as stupid as we were to trade for him. I actually wonder why did Gettleman get rid of Zeitler ? Why not pay to get a bonafide offensive lineman when the OL was terrible? He said the OL was “set”when they were awful the year prior. He evaluated this OL like he evaluated Eli being a “good” quarterback when he’s was so washed at the time. getting rid of Zeitler looks like a real screwup, how can a team needing so much O line help let a player like him go, there must have been a way to keep him...
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Post by cruzsoldier on Jan 27, 2022 16:05:04 GMT -5
I want us to dump the no effort Kenny Golladay we are stuck with him until the end of the 2023 season unless a team is as stupid as we were to trade for him. I actually wonder why did Gettleman get rid of Zeitler ? Why not pay to get a bonafide offensive lineman when the OL was terrible? He said the OL was “set”when they were awful the year prior. He evaluated this OL like he evaluated Eli being a “good” quarterback when he’s was so washed at the time. getting rid of Zeitler looks like a real screwup, how can a team needing so much O line help let a player like him go, there must have been a way to keep him... They wanted to extend a player like Logan Ryan because he’s a good locker room guy 🤦♂️. Gettleman has set the franchise back a decade.
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 27, 2022 16:27:56 GMT -5
getting rid of Zeitler looks like a real screwup, how can a team needing so much O line help let a player like him go, there must have been a way to keep him... They wanted to extend a player like Logan Ryan because he’s a good locker room guy 🤦♂️. Gettleman has set the franchise back a decade. good locker room guy vs a good O lineman so we keep the good locker room guy and let the good lineman walk, whats wrong with this picture?
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Post by devilsadvocate on Jan 27, 2022 16:41:14 GMT -5
To do it the right way, it will be painful. The Eagles set a record for dead cap this year (i think) but it got them out from under the Wentz contract which will benefit them going forward. That is what needs to be done here. Bite the bullet, shed the bad contracts and consider it an experience year for the younger players.
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Post by southerner on Jan 27, 2022 16:52:36 GMT -5
Great, a massive house cleaning is coming. There are going to be a lot of new names on the team next season……at least 50% of the current roster is gone this off-season…….maybe more. THAT is the correct way to start a rebuild. The Giants will suck next season and will have little or no salary cap room with lots of dead money being worked off……but at least the Giants will be losing with young players that can develop. Then In 2023, they will be flush with cap money and a very young team with a full year of on the field experience.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Jan 27, 2022 18:54:48 GMT -5
They wanted to extend a player like Logan Ryan because he’s a good locker room guy 🤦♂️. Gettleman has set the franchise back a decade. good locker room guy vs a good O lineman so we keep the good locker room guy and let the good lineman walk, whats wrong with this picture? When you can't sell winning because you don't have the results the only thing you can sell is the progress of "culture" I guess.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 29, 2022 19:50:44 GMT -5
The Giants are about $7 million over the cap for 2022, which doesn't bode well at all for any sort of a splash addition in free agency. "It's a concern and it's real ... There are going to be difficult decisions that have to be made," Schoen said, per SNY's Ralph Vacchiano. whomever the Giants select as their new head coach, Schoen said, will need to be a keen developer of the rookie class. "It's going to be important that some of those young players may have to be major contributors in 2022, so the willingness to play young players (is important)," Schoen said. I like to read that. Recognizes this team is going to be relying on a youth movement. Which is a recognition that it needs to be rebuilt. Going to lose some veterans with the limited talent on this roster making a list of the players and their respective effect on the cap will make it pretty easy on who to jettison and who to keep.
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Post by mj312 on Jan 29, 2022 20:03:41 GMT -5
A guy made 72mil 40 guaranteed off of us and all he did was show up and probably took a piss. That’s it. Him and our #1 draft choice didn't have a single TD between them. Our receivers and backs are hot garbage .. not a big play maker amongst them . They can draft 20 lineman , but if they don’t get some damn playmakers on this team we will be right back in the same spot next year ..
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Post by Martin on Jan 29, 2022 20:13:42 GMT -5
The Giants are about $7 million over the cap for 2022, which doesn't bode well at all for any sort of a splash addition in free agency. "It's a concern and it's real ... There are going to be difficult decisions that have to be made," Schoen said, per SNY's Ralph Vacchiano. whomever the Giants select as their new head coach, Schoen said, will need to be a keen developer of the rookie class. "It's going to be important that some of those young players may have to be major contributors in 2022, so the willingness to play young players (is important)," Schoen said. I like to read that. Recognizes this team is going to be relying on a youth movement. Which is a recognition that it needs to be rebuilt. Going to lose some veterans with the limited talent on this roster making a list of the players and their respective effect on the cap will make it pretty easy on who to jettison and who to keep. I don't see it as that hard either. It's hard when you have lots of talent around that you need to drop a few due to money. The Giants don't have the talent problem.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 29, 2022 21:04:37 GMT -5
Him and our #1 draft choice didn't have a single TD between them. Our receivers and backs are hot garbage .. not a big play maker amongst them . They can draft 20 lineman , but if they don’t get some damn playmakers on this team we will be right back in the same spot next year .. mj It's like whack a mole. We plug one and another weakness pops up. Too many holes not enough solutions.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 29, 2022 21:17:09 GMT -5
Him and our #1 draft choice didn't have a single TD between them. Our receivers and backs are hot garbage .. not a big play maker amongst them . They can draft 20 lineman , but if they don’t get some damn playmakers on this team we will be right back in the same spot next year .. We know my Lucille on Artax take since 2019... It's 2022 Who did Buffalo have in 2018... We can fix both the o line and start bringing in playmakers..remember this is 2022,great recievers are always found mid to late rounds these days with how many great ones are in college.. A simple upgrade is Issah McKenzie as a cheap replacement for Shepard... And a guy like Fryfogle in the 4th this year while hitting the O line,front 7 (maybe a legit normal TE like Ruckert in the 3rd) This is a 3 year at earliest fix..
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 29, 2022 22:09:28 GMT -5
Great, a massive house cleaning is coming. There are going to be a lot of new names on the team next season……at least 50% of the current roster is gone this off-season…….maybe more. THAT is the correct way to start a rebuild. The Giants will suck next season and will have little or no salary cap room with lots of dead money being worked off……but at least the Giants will be losing with young players that can develop. Then In 2023, they will be flush with cap money and a very young team with a full year of on the field experience. It's like deja vu all over again.
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Post by Parademon1 on Jan 29, 2022 22:25:46 GMT -5
Buffalo is probably a good RB away from the SB, maybe we can pry a #1 or #2 from them for Barkley? I can see Saquan really lighting it behind their OL & with that QB & receiving core.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Jan 30, 2022 7:03:48 GMT -5
Yet we keep hearing the ridiculous talk of trading for Wilson, or Rogers, or Watson.
It still amazes me how badly DG mismanaged this team from day 1. And there were some who continued to defend him and his decisions.
Nearly every move he made was to correct or compensate for a dumb move he made or the right move he should have made previously. He should pay the Giants back his salary for the time he was here..
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Post by Jomo on Jan 30, 2022 10:44:45 GMT -5
These are not difficult decisions because we are not at any kind of Crossroads yet. We are starting from scratch so who comes and who goes doesn't really matter. I expect more than haflf or FA will not be signed and some non FA Will simply be cut.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jan 30, 2022 12:56:21 GMT -5
Bye Shep, Bye Blake, Bye OL.
Actually... We should trade Shep for a pick. I think we can get a 4-5th rounder for him. He just got divorced so his head aint in the game and he probably needs to leave his wifes hometown.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 30, 2022 14:55:42 GMT -5
Bye Shep, Bye Blake, Bye OL. Actually... We should trade Shep for a pick. I think we can get a 4-5th rounder for him. He just got divorced so his head aint in the game and he probably needs to leave his wifes hometown. Who is going to give up a 4th or 5th for a guy who is injury prone coming off an Achilles? Gettleman isn't in the league anymore
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Post by te88 on Jan 31, 2022 22:10:53 GMT -5
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Post by knixknation on Jan 31, 2022 23:49:06 GMT -5
We just went 4-13…..I can’t imagine tossing and turning over too many player personnel decisions.
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Post by bluebuddha on Feb 1, 2022 8:01:30 GMT -5
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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 1, 2022 8:10:17 GMT -5
Bye Shep, Bye Blake, Bye OL. Actually... We should trade Shep for a pick. I think we can get a 4-5th rounder for him. He just got divorced so his head aint in the game and he probably needs to leave his wifes hometown. lol, you aren’t getting anything for Shep. Com’on
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Post by giantsalmon on Feb 1, 2022 10:02:55 GMT -5
Perhaps Martinez and Shepard were at the Daboll presser to see if they would take paycuts? I'm a fan of Martinez, damn tackling machine and a true leader. I always liked Shep but he just cannot stay on the field.
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Post by snyder55 on Feb 1, 2022 11:45:57 GMT -5
The dead cap coupled with the need to replace those players is going to hurt...and there is no way around that. The whole point is they can lose without them just as well as they have lost with them , this why Gettlemen had to go they should have been drafting for this they are all in the last years of their deals. They will draft their replacements and we will live the growing pains. They will be younger cheaper and hopefully better. teams who bring in expensive veterans seldom get the expected results, sometimes it works but most times all you do is waste money...
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Post by snyder55 on Feb 1, 2022 11:50:10 GMT -5
getting rid of Zeitler looks like a real screwup, how can a team needing so much O line help let a player like him go, there must have been a way to keep him... They wanted to extend a player like Logan Ryan because he’s a good locker room guy 🤦♂️. Gettleman has set the franchise back a decade. screw the locker room theory, the game is played on the field, I know you can't have malcontents on the team but shouldn't that have been figured out before you sign the guy....
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Post by dj44601 on Feb 1, 2022 11:51:01 GMT -5
If Spotrac is accurate the Giants save 43,428,611 by restructuring Gano's and Adoree Jackson's contract and releasing Bradberry,Rudolph,Shepard,Martinez,Dixon,Booker and Kaden Smith.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2022 11:54:56 GMT -5
Perhaps Martinez and Shepard were at the Daboll presser to see if they would take paycuts? I'm a fan of Martinez, damn tackling machine and a true leader. I always liked Shep but he just cannot stay on the field. I hope they figure a way to extend Martinez without being stuck in a couple of years if he doesn't fully recover. Then again he might not want to be here either..
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Post by Giggles on Feb 1, 2022 12:00:09 GMT -5
It's a nice parting gift from Gettleman. But on a positive note getting rid of most of these overpaid veterans would make next year more enjoyable.
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