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Post by jb456 on Feb 4, 2022 14:22:24 GMT -5
I'm not sure why we wouldn't just launch the guy now. He's made it clear that he is not sold on staying here. Time to move on. I actually like the thought of Graham staying. Posters here forget how bad the defense was before he left. Like you said though, why keep a guy who is interviewing for the same position on another team. Let him go and start the search. No way should the Giants be at the mercy of a coach who wants to leave and they may lose out on potential candidates if they begin their process AFTER he leaves....
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Post by ratbastich on Feb 4, 2022 14:23:12 GMT -5
If he is hired as a Defensive coordinator/ Assistant Head Coach it's considered a promotion and not a lateral move. I don't think that's accurate. I think you are correct. He already had the assistant head coach designation here so it would most likely be a lateral and I wonder if the assistant head coach is even recognized. It seems more of a contingency "rank" in case something happens to the head coach. Also, wouldn't that designation have disappeared once Daboll was hired since he hasn't set who was a coach of what since taking over?
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Post by jb456 on Feb 4, 2022 14:24:10 GMT -5
This is strictly because of the Flores shit. Rats abandoning the ship before the shit hurricane hits. I hope he gets it. Not a fan of bend but don't break defense. It could also be that he is upset that he didn't get the HC position. He has done pretty well over the last 2 years and figures that if they won't give me a shot, why not go to a team in a better position so I will eventually get a shot.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Feb 4, 2022 14:26:26 GMT -5
If he is hired as a Defensive coordinator/ Assistant Head Coach it's considered a promotion and not a lateral move. I don't think that's accurate. I don't care if we keep him or not I was always of the thinking If you don't want to be here better to get rid of you. But I must say that it does not look well for the Giants that he doesn't want to stay and they extended him the offer.
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Post by Kruunch on Feb 4, 2022 14:26:26 GMT -5
I'm not sure why we wouldn't just launch the guy now. He's made it clear that he is not sold on staying here. Time to move on. I actually like the thought of Graham staying. Posters here forget how bad the defense was before he left. Like you said though, why keep a guy who is interviewing for the same position on another team. Let him go and start the search. No way should the Giants be at the mercy of a coach who wants to leave and they may lose out on potential candidates if they begin their process AFTER he leaves.... That’s a weak argument. Let’s keep him, because James Bettcher was awful. Grahams defenses have been smoke and mirrors. We played weak quarterbacks in the ‘20 season, and last year we started the year off giving up 29 points a game. He’s not Rod Rust bad, but enough of this settling nonsense.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Feb 4, 2022 14:27:09 GMT -5
I don't think that's accurate. I think you are correct. He already had the assistant head coach designation here so it would most likely be a lateral and I wonder if the assistant head coach is even recognized. It seems more of a contingency "rank" in case something happens to the head coach. Also, wouldn't that designation have disappeared once Daboll was hired since he hasn't set who was a coach of what since taking over? This...
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Post by te88 on Feb 4, 2022 14:28:31 GMT -5
I actually like the thought of Graham staying. Posters here forget how bad the defense was before he left. Like you said though, why keep a guy who is interviewing for the same position on another team. Let him go and start the search. No way should the Giants be at the mercy of a coach who wants to leave and they may lose out on potential candidates if they begin their process AFTER he leaves.... That’s a weak argument. Let’s keep him, because James Bettcher was awful. Grahams defenses have been smoke and mirrors. We played weak quarterbacks in the ‘20 season, and last year we started the year off giving up 29 points a game. He’s not Rod Rust bad, but enough of this settling nonsense. I don’t think he’s a bad coach, but I don’t have him up on a pedestal either. Fine either way. If I were him I’d move to Nevada, get paid more money, pay less tax and coach a better team.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Feb 4, 2022 14:32:17 GMT -5
He is interviewing for the Raiders DC job today. If he leaves for another Job I want Bills Secondary coach John Butler or Vic Fangio but Fangio needs to stay in the 3-4.
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Post by moecoastie on Feb 4, 2022 14:46:25 GMT -5
I don't think that's accurate. I think you are correct. He already had the assistant head coach designation here so it would most likely be a lateral and I wonder if the assistant head coach is even recognized. It seems more of a contingency "rank" in case something happens to the head coach. Also, wouldn't that designation have disappeared once Daboll was hired since he hasn't set who was a coach of what since taking over? I researched this when Graham was hired. The NFL rules have only 2 categories of coaches; assistant coaches and head coach. " Assistant Head Coach" is not recognized in the rule book. It counts as an assistant coach. Having said that, its obvious gave permission to Graham to search fir a job so it doesn't really matter if he gets the job...the NYG will not be compensated either way.
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Post by jb456 on Feb 4, 2022 14:48:11 GMT -5
I actually like the thought of Graham staying. Posters here forget how bad the defense was before he left. Like you said though, why keep a guy who is interviewing for the same position on another team. Let him go and start the search. No way should the Giants be at the mercy of a coach who wants to leave and they may lose out on potential candidates if they begin their process AFTER he leaves.... That’s a weak argument. Let’s keep him, because James Bettcher was awful. Grahams defenses have been smoke and mirrors. We played weak quarterbacks in the ‘20 season, and last year we started the year off giving up 29 points a game. He’s not Rod Rust bad, but enough of this settling nonsense. The Giants defenses were shit long before Bettcher. I think they have been shit even longer than the offense has been shit. This wasn't a one coach situation....
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Post by TEM on Feb 4, 2022 14:50:33 GMT -5
That’s a weak argument. Let’s keep him, because James Bettcher was awful. Grahams defenses have been smoke and mirrors. We played weak quarterbacks in the ‘20 season, and last year we started the year off giving up 29 points a game. He’s not Rod Rust bad, but enough of this settling nonsense. The Giants defenses were shit long before Bettcher. I think they have been shit even longer than the offense has been shit. This wasn't a one coach situation.... They were good in 2018. A mature Defense that peaked.
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Post by mendy on Feb 4, 2022 14:56:44 GMT -5
The Giants do not typically but up barriers to their coaches. To be interviewing Graham would have already needed to get permission, so he has it. Maybe he wants to go to a better team? If Schone is smart. He will trade Graham's contract for picks or a player. If the Raiders want him. They would be open to a deal. Graham contract a #1 for Carr? Contract to rich for our cap, never mind.
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Post by TEM on Feb 4, 2022 14:58:52 GMT -5
If Schone is smart. He will trade Graham's contract for picks or a player. If the Raiders want him. They would be open to a deal. Graham contract a #1 for Carr? I am not crazy about giving up 1st round picks for players that have never won a SB . But that is me.
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Post by GameTime on Feb 4, 2022 15:00:21 GMT -5
Weird. Daboll basically announced that he was staying unless he got a HC job Daboll and Schoen said they would retain him. They never said what Graham actually wanted.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 4, 2022 15:06:34 GMT -5
He is interviewing for the Raiders DC job today. If he leaves for another Job I want Bills Secondary coach John Butler or Vic Fangio but Fangio needs to stay in the 3-4. Fangio is my top dog haven't heard much about Butler the Bills ran a tight D so he might be a good choice as well, been hearing some about Sean Desai don't know anything about him except some folks like him a lot also. I think Pat Graham is looking for another job the Giants should be looking for a new DC as well.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 4, 2022 15:07:43 GMT -5
Weird. Daboll basically announced that he was staying unless he got a HC job Daboll and Schoen said they would retain him. They never said what Graham actually wanted. When Graham was interviewing for the Steelers job he said he would be interested in staying on as DC.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 4, 2022 15:09:37 GMT -5
Graham contract a #1 for Carr? I am not crazy about giving up 1st round picks for players that have never won a SB . But that is me. Look at the Rams they have traded every first round pick from now till forever for proven 1st round talent. good for a window to winning but not so much for your cap.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 4, 2022 15:11:57 GMT -5
That’s a weak argument. Let’s keep him, because James Bettcher was awful. Grahams defenses have been smoke and mirrors. We played weak quarterbacks in the ‘20 season, and last year we started the year off giving up 29 points a game. He’s not Rod Rust bad, but enough of this settling nonsense. I don’t think he’s a bad coach, but I don’t have him up on a pedestal either. Fine either way. If I were him I’d move to Nevada, get paid more money, pay less tax and coach a better team. In the end if the Giants can pull off a Vic Fangio pick up throw the bag at him he is one of if not the top defensive mind in the game the last 10 years or so.
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Post by TEM on Feb 4, 2022 15:14:42 GMT -5
I am not crazy about giving up 1st round picks for players that have never won a SB . But that is me. Look at the Rams they have traded every first round pick from now till forever for proven 1st round talent. good for a window to winning but not so much for your cap. Or for long term longevity. If they do not win the SB. It will bite them. As it stands now there are close to 14 over.
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Post by Roswell on Feb 4, 2022 15:23:20 GMT -5
Personally, I hope he stays. But not if he doesnt want to be here.
I want him to stay because the D plays for him. They are familiar with his system and will only improve under it.
We don't need all of these guys learning a new D system screwing up their assignments. Besides Gano, the D was the only watchable thing on the field.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 4, 2022 15:24:37 GMT -5
Look at the Rams they have traded every first round pick from now till forever for proven 1st round talent. good for a window to winning but not so much for your cap. Or for long term longevity. If they do not win the SB. It will bite them. As it stands now there are close to 14 over. Sperbowl or bust they just kick the can and win as much as they can while doing it but then the bottom will fall out.
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Post by McCherry on Feb 4, 2022 15:25:59 GMT -5
Personally, I hope he stays. But not if he doesnt want to be here. I want him to stay because the D plays for him. They are familiar with his system and will only improve under it. We don't need all of these guys learning a new D system screwing up their assignments. Besides Gano, the D was the only watchable thing on the field. I agree for the same reasons. At the same time, I won't cry if he does leave.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 4, 2022 15:28:13 GMT -5
Personally, I hope he stays. But not if he doesnt want to be here. I want him to stay because the D plays for him. They are familiar with his system and will only improve under it. We don't need all of these guys learning a new D system screwing up their assignments. Besides Gano, the D was the only watchable thing on the field. i would like that also but this is the second DC position he has interviewed for and Mc Daniels has a working relationship with him and can probably get deep pockets Marc AKA [ Caesar] Davis to pay up.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Feb 4, 2022 15:33:41 GMT -5
Why are the Giants giving permission for a non promotion move?
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Post by southerner on Feb 4, 2022 15:36:06 GMT -5
Im absolutely reaching here, but I wonder if the Flores situation soured him to the Giants at all. Who cares, if he wants to leave, let him go.
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Post by jaymas on Feb 4, 2022 15:37:39 GMT -5
Weird. Daboll basically announced that he was staying unless he got a HC job Agreed here. Doesn't make sense right now.
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Post by Martin on Feb 4, 2022 15:38:20 GMT -5
Im absolutely reaching here, but I wonder if the Flores situation soured him to the Giants at all. Very possible.
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Post by jaymas on Feb 4, 2022 15:39:19 GMT -5
That's what Duggan says. But I'm with him (and others here) if Graham was literally conducting interviews for Giants position coaches on defense before his vikings interview...why'd he accept this request?
Doesn't add up.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 4, 2022 15:40:00 GMT -5
Here is what I read on Giants insider twitter just now Graham met with the Giants yesterday jumped a plane this morning to interview with Old Buddy Josh McDaniel. He must have told them he wants to make sure this is where he wants to be we will know after the senior bowl if Schoen and Daboll come back with a DC in tow.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 4, 2022 15:45:58 GMT -5
That's what Duggan says. But I'm with him (and others here) if Graham was literally conducting interviews for Giants position coaches on defense before his vikings interview...why'd he accept this request? Doesn't add up. Maybe when they called it perked him up to check it out. I didn't know he was conducting interviews this might be the kind of opportunity he is looking for 2 pass rushers that can make his disguises more affective, he wouldn't go if he wasn't interested.
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