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Post by kerryisdaman on Aug 12, 2022 11:35:54 GMT -5
I wonder if flott could play CB 2 at somepoint this season if Robinson is still struggling. Or maybe swap in Holmes and put Robinson back on the slot guy?
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Post by mendy on Aug 12, 2022 11:44:15 GMT -5
I don't care how much fun these guys want to have. Just don't give the refs a chance to give the opposing offense a new set of downs and 15 yards just because you happen to break up a pass or made a tackle or a sack. And don't cost your team 15 yards just because you made a good run or caught a pass for a TD or first down. Translation - just act like you've been there before and get back to the huddle. Organized team celebrations are within the rules. Standing over a guy and taunting isn't. They need to think team first. There's really no excuse for that anymore. The rule has been in place for a while now. I agree with your sentiment but if that was a penalty then so is the stupid stuff being done when a player gets a first down, now that is something that is annoying.
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Post by allnygin on Aug 12, 2022 12:50:49 GMT -5
I wonder if flott could play CB 2 at somepoint this season if Robinson is still struggling. Or maybe swap in Holmes and put Robinson back on the slot guy? Possible, Either way we'd have lots of inexperience there no matter what they do. They must see more positives from Robinson on the outside. He's getting thrust into that role way quicker than he should, not like he was drafted in the top 10 to play CB in the NFL. Once again, we're paying the consequences of Dave Gettlemen's f ups. We'll just have to ride the bumpy road with Robinson and who knows with all the exposure maybe he'll be a solid player for us at that position down the road. CB is gonna be a need going into the offseason either way. Adoree wont be here forever.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 12, 2022 12:56:57 GMT -5
We put up 418 yards total yards, ran the ball at 5.36 YPC. and dominated TOP for 34 minutes. For what the Giants were trying to do on offense, they pretty much did dominate. Against backups. The one positive is the previous 4 years backups dominated our entire roster for 60 minutes I think we can go out further then that lol we have sucked for a while now and preseason has been the Harbinger of the disfunction that awaited us.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 12, 2022 12:58:38 GMT -5
Or maybe swap in Holmes and put Robinson back on the slot guy? Possible, Either way we'd have lots of inexperience there no matter what they do. They must see more positives from Robinson on the outside. He's getting thrust into that role way quicker than he should, not like he was drafted in the top 10 to play CB in the NFL. Once again, we're paying the consequences of Dave Gettlemen's f ups. We'll just have to ride the bumpy road with Robinson and who knows with all the exposure maybe he'll be a solid player for us at that position down the road. CB is gonna be a need going into the offseason either way. Adoree wont be here forever. Actually talking about corners I thought Flott and the kid from LSU Evans held their own pretty nicely.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Aug 12, 2022 13:23:15 GMT -5
Oline, CB, and WR are still converns.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2022 13:34:17 GMT -5
Oline, CB, and WR are still converns. I might be the only one not concerned with this WR group.. Might change by game 4 when they are all on the trainers table
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Post by fredfreddy on Aug 12, 2022 13:34:48 GMT -5
Did any other out of staters watch the game on NFL +? They are showing all out of market preseason games in their $5 per month package. I'm in CA. I have Hulu and just watched it live. Might have been a national game on NFL network. Didn't need the app or the NFL+. With that said, I thought they played better than what I expected. Still have work to do but it is preseason. They looked better than the last 5+ games from last season. A little rust on everyone but they looked better. Jones and Taylor had more than .5 seconds to move the ball, James looked good, Brightwell looked really good. Robinson had a hard time. I am a homer and love this team and after last nights game I see the glass as half full. Last nights game gave me a little hope for a good season.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Aug 12, 2022 13:40:09 GMT -5
Oline, CB, and WR are still converns. I might be the only one not concerned with this WR group.. Might change by game 4 when they are all on the trainers table One concern is ability. Another concern is being on the field. KT and Shep can play but can't help if they don't play. KG has looked close to washed imo. The effort, separation, and clutch rate have not been shown so far.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2022 13:43:29 GMT -5
I might be the only one not concerned with this WR group.. Might change by game 4 when they are all on the trainers table One concern is ability. Another concern is being on the field. KT and Shep can play but can't help if they don't play. KG has looked close to washed imo. The effort, separation, and clutch rate have not been shown so far. I get it and if Toney is injured again like last season then he's a problem.. Still a high end FA and a 1st and 2nd these last two years has to be a solution not a detriment..
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Post by McCherry on Aug 12, 2022 13:43:48 GMT -5
Did any other out of staters watch the game on NFL +? They are showing all out of market preseason games in their $5 per month package. I'm in CA. I have Hulu and just watched it live. Might have been a national game on NFL network. Didn't need the app or the NFL+. With that said, I thought they played better than what I expected. Still have work to do but it is preseason. They looked better than the last 5+ games from last season. A little rust on everyone but they looked better. Jones and Taylor had more than .5 seconds to move the ball, James looked good, Brightwell looked really good. Robinson had a hard time. I am a homer and love this team and after last nights game I see the glass as half full. Last nights game gave me a little hope for a good season. They demonstrated that they can certainly move the ball on the ground. Backups or not, this OL hasn't pushed the opposition or opened holes like they did yesterday.
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Post by Dogecoin on Aug 12, 2022 14:06:36 GMT -5
Tyrods passes are all over the place. Good thing his mobility is at or near top tier i did then and still dislike this signing. The thinking was that he was insurance for the 2nd year if the team parts ways with Jones and has a disappointing season, that the 2023 first round QB pick would sit a year behind Taylor and learn. But learn what? Taylor is too small, doesnt have a good arm, and makes poor reads. Basically hes a small version of cam Newton but newton played at a high level because he was big!
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Post by kerryisdaman on Aug 12, 2022 14:09:11 GMT -5
One concern is ability. Another concern is being on the field. KT and Shep can play but can't help if they don't play. KG has looked close to washed imo. The effort, separation, and clutch rate have not been shown so far. I get it and if Toney is injured again like last season then he's a problem.. Still a high end FA and a 1st and 2nd these last two years has to be a solution not a detriment.. The 1st and 2nd should help. Is there a time we stop referring to KG as a high end FA? If we go by play on the field as a Giant is he a top 3 wr?
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Post by vinnie on Aug 12, 2022 14:51:19 GMT -5
why should it have? Our offense is so far from being set or established. We put up 418 yards total yards, ran the ball at 5.36 YPC. and dominated TOP for 34 minutes. For what the Giants were trying to do on offense, they pretty much did dominate. Against backups. Lol, ok. Our starters “may” have scored one TD on the first drive and had to punt on the 2nd drive against their back ups. That’s hardly dominating Mike but sure, go ahead and include our back ups vs their back ups to pad those stats a bit. Not to mention, TOP of 34 minutes is far from dominating, especially considering that our starting defense was playing their back up offense (including back up QB) for 2 series.
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Post by McCherry on Aug 12, 2022 15:17:10 GMT -5
We put up 418 yards total yards, ran the ball at 5.36 YPC. and dominated TOP for 34 minutes. For what the Giants were trying to do on offense, they pretty much did dominate. Against backups. Lol, ok. Our starters “may” have scored one TD on the first drive and had to punt on the 2nd drive against their back ups. That’s hardly dominating Mike but sure, go ahead and include our back ups vs their back ups to pad those stats a bit. Not to mention, TOP of 34 minutes is far from dominating, especially considering that our starting defense was playing their back up offense (including back up QB) for 2 series. I did mention these were against backups, but when was the last time in the last 4 years that we ran that efficiently against anyone, including backups? Those O linemen blocking most of the game may be our starters much sooner than later.
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Post by vinnie on Aug 12, 2022 15:23:19 GMT -5
Lol, ok. Our starters “may” have scored one TD on the first drive and had to punt on the 2nd drive against their back ups. That’s hardly dominating Mike but sure, go ahead and include our back ups vs their back ups to pad those stats a bit. Not to mention, TOP of 34 minutes is far from dominating, especially considering that our starting defense was playing their back up offense (including back up QB) for 2 series. I did mention these were against backups, but when was the last time in the last 4 years that we ran that efficiently against anyone, including backups? Those O linemen blocking most of the game may be our starters much sooner than later. When was the last time our starters played back ups? Honest question. Legacy mentioned it last night but didn’t say when or how often, I don’t remember it ever happening (not saying it didn’t).
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Post by miggs on Aug 12, 2022 15:29:05 GMT -5
The last few years Giants fans have been watching awful football. Now they have a team that can compete. But some fans want immediate results. Just first pre-season game after being in pads just a couple of weeks. Players executed the offense well. Starters only played two series.
We'll get to see how offensive line holds up against other team's starters. Giants plays are going to receivers open against starters and reserved. Giants should be able to run against anyone.
The Giants had a terrific first showing. Team will put lots of points on the scoreboard and hold teams to scoring fewer points.
Giants have lots of talent. Some starters didn't play or hardly played. Fans should be patient and watch as team progresses thru the pre-season.
]Confident that Giants ultimate starters on both sides of the ball will do quite well. Just hope players recover from new injuries quickly.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 12, 2022 15:29:20 GMT -5
I did mention these were against backups, but when was the last time in the last 4 years that we ran that efficiently against anyone, including backups? Those O linemen blocking most of the game may be our starters much sooner than later. When was the last time our starters played back ups? Honest question. Legacy mentioned it last night but didn’t say when or how often, I don’t remember it ever happening (not saying it didn’t). Didn't our starters play backups vs New England last year and it wasn't pretty?
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Post by miggs on Aug 12, 2022 15:57:10 GMT -5
Patriots Hoyer was so predictable. If he doesn't take a step-back from shot-gun, Patriots were going to run. If he took a step-back, Patriots were going to pass. That's his game.
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Post by vinnie on Aug 12, 2022 16:55:36 GMT -5
When was the last time our starters played back ups? Honest question. Legacy mentioned it last night but didn’t say when or how often, I don’t remember it ever happening (not saying it didn’t). Didn't our starters play backups vs New England last year and it wasn't pretty? I honestly don’t remember ever playing backups but again, it very well may have happened. Regardless, we may have got a TD on one drive and were stopped on the other. Plus all the other factors I mentioned…it’s just hard for me to get excited over anything I saw last night. DJ did what we all knew he was capable of doing, running a simplistic offense and completing short slants and screens. I get it’s pre season but until I see this offense play against other teams starters THEN see how DJ handles running our “regular” offense against defenses specifically scheming against us then I’m not going to sit here and say they look good. Anyways, I’ve beat this horse to death. We’ll see what everyone thinks after Cincy, including myself. I very well may be, and hopefully am, much more impressed after next weekend (assuming Cincy plays their starters) but I have a strong feeling it will be how most of us thought it would be before the Patriots game which isn’t good.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 12, 2022 17:24:37 GMT -5
FWIW No delay of game penalties or blown time outs because of substitution issues
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Post by McCherry on Aug 12, 2022 17:26:35 GMT -5
1 sack given up last night... 4 sacks given up last year vs. the Pats in PS game 3.
When was the last time the OL gave up only one sack in any game? I'll bet it hasn't happened much (if at all) in Daniel's career.
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Post by vinnie on Aug 12, 2022 17:49:50 GMT -5
1 sack given up last night... 4 sacks given up last year vs. the Pats in PS game 3. When was the last time the OL gave up only one sack in any game? I'll bet it hasn't happened much (if at all) in Daniel's career. Was it 4 sacks against Jones last year or total? How many sacks came against the back ups, if our starters even played the back ups last year? There’s so many variables, it’s not apples to oranges. What plays were they running? How aggressive were the Patriots being? This right here shows how different things can be year to year and I’m sure there’s several other factors involved as well. I mean what if we sacked NE’s QB once last year and it was our starters vs their starters while only blitzing 4 times but sacked him 5 times this year when it was our starters vs their back ups but we blitzed them 21 times and 3 of those sacks occurred when our starters were in? There’s a lot more to it than a few numbers. sports.yahoo.com/bill-belichick-miffed-giants-constant-155153041.html
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Post by McCherry on Aug 12, 2022 18:00:23 GMT -5
PFF Grades from Preseason Week 1:
Andrew Thomas 82.5 0 Pressures Allowed on 7 Pass Blocking Snaps
Evan Neal 54.2 1 Pressure Allowed (1 Hurry) on 12 Pass Blocking Snaps
Richie James Jr. 69.8 3 Catches on 4 Targets (22 Routes) 44 Yards Receiving (2 YAC) 1 TD
Collin Johnson 70.4 7 Catches on 8 Targets (28 Routes) 82 Yards Receiving (32 YAC)
Ben Bredeson 90.0 Micah McFadden 88.4 Gary Brightwell 74.3 Kayvon Thibodeaux 67.6 Darrian Beavers 62.6 Daniel Jones 63.2
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 12, 2022 19:06:14 GMT -5
How do these IT geeks come up with PFF scores on up to 90 players per team so quickly?
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Post by kerryisdaman on Aug 12, 2022 19:33:43 GMT -5
How are Jets fans reacting tonight?
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Post by McCherry on Aug 12, 2022 19:47:42 GMT -5
How are Jets fans reacting tonight? They have to be numb at this point. That looked like the dreaded turf ACL tear we've seen before.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Aug 12, 2022 20:02:24 GMT -5
How are Jets fans reacting tonight? They have to be numb at this point. That looked like the dreaded turf ACL tear we've seen before. That is horrible. Feel bad for them. I was actually talking about their QB stats before I heard about the injury. Tough break.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 12, 2022 20:08:40 GMT -5
How are Jets fans reacting tonight? They have to be numb at this point. That looked like the dreaded turf ACL tear we've seen before. Sucks for the kid.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2022 20:24:06 GMT -5
PFF Grades from Preseason Week 1: Andrew Thomas 82.5 0 Pressures Allowed on 7 Pass Blocking Snaps Evan Neal 54.2 1 Pressure Allowed (1 Hurry) on 12 Pass Blocking Snaps 61.7 run blocking Richie James Jr. 69.8 3 Catches on 4 Targets (22 Routes) 44 Yards Receiving (2 YAC) 1 TD Collin Johnson 70.4 7 Catches on 8 Targets (28 Routes) 82 Yards Receiving (32 YAC) Ben Bredeson 90.0 Micah McFadden 88.4 Gary Brightwell 74.3 Kayvon Thibodeaux 67.6 Darrian Beavers 62.6 Daniel Jones 63.2
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