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Post by kerryisdaman on Aug 31, 2022 11:36:01 GMT -5
Well "waning" is a word. My words were real words that I just used poorly. He got a warning that his word was fake but still used it to bash on me.. Get it now young man?? Since you called me "young" you won. I have not been called young in a while. I like that.
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Post by FaceAcrossTheFloor on Aug 31, 2022 11:40:48 GMT -5
Golladay is not a good fit for this scheme. Daboll will run a lot of 2 and 3 man concepts. He loves the crossing route that sets up basically like a screen where instead of the linemen releasing to block the receivers get that responsibility. Lots of mesh to draw down safeties. A bunch of action out of the backfield that turn into hitch. I can see Golladay being a clear out man drawing the occasional one on one and getting a target but the offense will not be run around him. If they are healthy this will be a Toney/Robinson/Barkley offense
I'm not saying he will not have a fine season but he is not the type of player for these concepts. This is not a 50/50 ball type system and Kenny is a 50/50 ball receiver
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Post by GameTime on Aug 31, 2022 11:53:34 GMT -5
Golladay is not a good fit for this scheme. Daboll will run a lot of 2 and 3 man concepts. He loves the crossing route that sets up basically like a screen where instead of the linemen releasing to block the receivers get that responsibility. Lots of mesh to draw down safeties. A bunch of action out of the backfield that turn into hitch. I can see Golladay being a clear out man drawing the occasional one on one and getting a target but the offense will not be run around him. If they are healthy this will be a Toney/Robinson/Barkley offense I'm not saying he will not have a fine season but he is not the type of player for these concepts. This is not a 50/50 ball type system and Kenny is a 50/50 ball receiver no doubt.. dont think anyone thought the O would be run around KG. As you said he can still have a very productive season.
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Post by allnygin on Aug 31, 2022 12:32:57 GMT -5
Golladay is not a good fit for this scheme. Daboll will run a lot of 2 and 3 man concepts. He loves the crossing route that sets up basically like a screen where instead of the linemen releasing to block the receivers get that responsibility. Lots of mesh to draw down safeties. A bunch of action out of the backfield that turn into hitch. I can see Golladay being a clear out man drawing the occasional one on one and getting a target but the offense will not be run around him. If they are healthy this will be a Toney/Robinson/Barkley offense I'm not saying he will not have a fine season but he is not the type of player for these concepts. This is not a 50/50 ball type system and Kenny is a 50/50 ball receiver good breakdown. On the surface it just didn't seem like a good fit based on the WRs that were favored in his offense in buffalo and what kafka had to work with in KC. KG doesn't seem to have the skill set to run those types of trees successfully, BUT i was to lazy to confirm it by doing research like you have. Thanks for droppin' some knowledge.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 31, 2022 16:07:46 GMT -5
Well "waning" is a word. My words were real words that I just used poorly. He got a warning that his word was fake but still used it to bash on me.. Get it now young man?? Jeez.....I fessed up. Let it go.
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Post by jb456 on Aug 31, 2022 16:24:04 GMT -5
KG is the new EE here... Always have to have one. Unfortunately. Much more costly though. EE at least flashed here and there even with his hands of stone. If KG has a similar year in 2022 as 2021, he will be in Nate Solder's category of horrific contracts. It would be quite impressive actually to have 2 of the worst contracts of all time handed out by the same team so close to each other.
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Post by jb456 on Aug 31, 2022 16:25:47 GMT -5
OK...Just a theory. Everyone is all over Kenny Golladay for having a poor season in 2021. But KG has never been a guy who creates separation. He's a guy who makes contested catches....which is a great quality in the NFL. Well DJ clearly has been coached to avoid turnovers since his rookie year. KG not open? Don't throw it to him. But in 2022 it seems he'll be coached to make those throws. My "hope" is that he will become comfortable with KG amid coverage. So my conclusion is that KG will be a great weapon for us this year. Am I rationalizing? Is this wishful thinking? Probably, but it helps me sleep at night, What’s a “big season” for KG at this point? 600 yards, 1 TD and 45 receptions. This would actually be a decent improvement over 2021.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2022 20:02:12 GMT -5
KG is the new EE here... Always have to have one. Unfortunately. Much more costly though. EE at least flashed here and there even with his hands of stone. If KG has a similar year in 2022 as 2021, he will be in Nate Solder's category of horrific contracts. It would be quite impressive actually to have 2 of the worst contracts of all time handed out by the same team so close to each other. Good magicians always do an encore
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Post by Jomo on Aug 31, 2022 20:56:57 GMT -5
KG was by far the highest paid player to go undrafted in my Fantasy Football draft tonight, fwiw, which isn't much.
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Post by DandyDon on Aug 31, 2022 21:48:33 GMT -5
Kg needs a QB to be willing to throw to him while he's covered. That's KGs game.
I think DJ and KG are a bad combination. DJ doesn't trust him enough to throw it to him unless he's open. And he's rarely open.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 31, 2022 22:03:15 GMT -5
Kg needs a QB to be willing to throw to him while he's covered. That's KGs game. I think DJ and KG are a bad combination. DJ doesn't trust him enough to throw it to him unless he's open. And he's rarely open. Stafford didn't seem to have any trouble throwing to him. And I recall him being very good at battling for the ball but there was always a #1 on the field which helped. I seem to remember that even at his best, he seemed never more than a #2 to me. I could be misremembering.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Aug 31, 2022 22:28:35 GMT -5
Its a misconception that we didn't throw to him last season. He was targeted 76 times. That was the most on the team. He just didn't catch at a good rate.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 31, 2022 22:35:14 GMT -5
Its a misconception that we didn't throw to him last season. He was targeted 76 times. That was the most on the team. He just didn't catch at a good rate. Did you look to see the quality of those passes? he had Matt Stafford throwing to him in Detroit. He had Jones/Glennon/Fromm throwing to him last year.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 31, 2022 22:59:18 GMT -5
Its a misconception that we didn't throw to him last season. He was targeted 76 times. That was the most on the team. He just didn't catch at a good rate. Did you look to see the quality of those passes? he had Matt Stafford throwing to him in Detroit. He had Jones/Glennon/Fromm throwing to him last year. KG did get 25 of his 37 catches from Jones. Not sure how many games they played in together out of Jones' 10 games. Point being KG and Jones can have chemistry.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2022 5:50:50 GMT -5
Did you look to see the quality of those passes? he had Matt Stafford throwing to him in Detroit. He had Jones/Glennon/Fromm throwing to him last year. KG did get 25 of his 37 catches from Jones. Not sure how many games they played in together out of Jones' 10 games. Point being KG and Jones can have chemistry. You know he sucks…he’s sucked since he got here. Don’t rationalize it. He’s checked out. I think he’s sucking on purpose. You don’t just lose all abilities overnight. That one pass a couple weeks ago was just over his left shoulder if I recall. Maybe I’m wrong but that non attempt looked blatant to me.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 1, 2022 6:15:39 GMT -5
KG did get 25 of his 37 catches from Jones. Not sure how many games they played in together out of Jones' 10 games. Point being KG and Jones can have chemistry. You know he sucks…he’s sucked since he got here. Don’t rationalize it. He’s checked out. I think he’s sucking on purpose. You don’t just lose all abilities overnight. That one pass a couple weeks ago was just over his left shoulder if I recall. Maybe I’m wrong but that non attempt looked blatant to me. maybe he does and you could be right. However he is on the roster so I'd rather have the perspective right now that he gets it done. Did you think Jones, Fromm and Glennon sucked last season? I bet you did. If that is the case how is KG, or any WR, going to do well in his first season with the NYGs with the shit show that went in 2021. He has only been on the NYG for ONE season
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 1, 2022 7:59:35 GMT -5
Its a misconception that we didn't throw to him last season. He was targeted 76 times. That was the most on the team. He just didn't catch at a good rate. Did you look to see the quality of those passes? he had Matt Stafford throwing to him in Detroit. He had Jones/Glennon/Fromm throwing to him last year. Thats another misconception imo. In KGs big year 2019 Stafford only played in 8 games. That team won 3 games. KG had 65 catches. Long gone Marvin Jones and Danny Amendola had 62 each.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 1, 2022 8:01:35 GMT -5
You know he sucks…he’s sucked since he got here. Don’t rationalize it. He’s checked out. I think he’s sucking on purpose. You don’t just lose all abilities overnight. That one pass a couple weeks ago was just over his left shoulder if I recall. Maybe I’m wrong but that non attempt looked blatant to me. maybe he does and you could be right. However he is on the roster so I'd rather have the perspective right now that he gets it done. Did you think Jones, Fromm and Glennon sucked last season? I bet you did. If that is the case how is KG, or any WR, going to do well in his first season with the NYGs with the shit show that went in 2021. He has only been on the NYG for ONE season Why do you think KG continues to look really bad?
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Post by GameTime on Sept 1, 2022 8:25:17 GMT -5
maybe he does and you could be right. However he is on the roster so I'd rather have the perspective right now that he gets it done. Did you think Jones, Fromm and Glennon sucked last season? I bet you did. If that is the case how is KG, or any WR, going to do well in his first season with the NYGs with the shit show that went in 2021. He has only been on the NYG for ONE season Why do you think KG continues to look really bad? I have no idea....last season was a shit show. Will some players back off an dont want to get hurt? Maybe> I dont agree with that but they are worried about huge money, they want to compete but also preserve themselves. Do some players take the "Allen Iverson approach" to practice. Especially players who are coming off injury or worried about injury? I think Toney may fall in this catagory as well. All I want to see is what these guys do in the reg season. Lets see what they do. Both KT and KG have only had one season with the NYGs. One season that the whole org was a steaming pile of shit. KG had 27 of his passes caught thrown by Jones' 10 games he played in. Then he Glennon and Fromm for the remainder of the season for another 10 grabs or so. Not exactly a situation conducive to production for any WR.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 1, 2022 8:26:57 GMT -5
Why do you think KG continues to look really bad? I have no idea....last season was a shit show. Will some players back off an dont want to get hurt? Maybe> I dont agree with that but they are worried about huge money, they want to compete but also preserve themselves. Do some players take the "Allen Iverson approach" to practice. Especially players who are coming off injury or worried about injury? I think Toney may fall in this catagory as well. All I want to see is what these guys do in the reg season. Lets see what they do. Both KT and KG have only had one season with the NYGs. One season that the whole org was a steaming pile of shit. KG had 27 of his passes caught thrown by Jones' 10 games he played in. Then he Glennon and Fromm for the remainder of the season for another 10 grabs or so. Not exactly a situation conducive to production for any WR. I understand your point but KT looks good when he actually practices. KG does not imo.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2022 8:27:38 GMT -5
maybe he does and you could be right. However he is on the roster so I'd rather have the perspective right now that he gets it done. Did you think Jones, Fromm and Glennon sucked last season? I bet you did. If that is the case how is KG, or any WR, going to do well in his first season with the NYGs with the shit show that went in 2021. He has only been on the NYG for ONE season Why do you think KG continues to look really bad? Maybe he just isn't that good but the Giants paid him star money very much like what they did with Solder..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2022 8:28:54 GMT -5
Did you look to see the quality of those passes? he had Matt Stafford throwing to him in Detroit. He had Jones/Glennon/Fromm throwing to him last year. Thats another misconception imo. In KGs big year 2019 Stafford only played in 8 games. That team won 3 games. KG had 65 catches. Long gone Marvin Jones and Danny Amendola had 62 each. The prevent defense allusion at work.. So tough to gauge player on teams that are terrible during their time with them..
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 1, 2022 8:29:30 GMT -5
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Post by GameTime on Sept 1, 2022 8:34:04 GMT -5
I have no idea....last season was a shit show. Will some players back off an dont want to get hurt? Maybe> I dont agree with that but they are worried about huge money, they want to compete but also preserve themselves. Do some players take the "Allen Iverson approach" to practice. Especially players who are coming off injury or worried about injury? I think Toney may fall in this catagory as well. All I want to see is what these guys do in the reg season. Lets see what they do. Both KT and KG have only had one season with the NYGs. One season that the whole org was a steaming pile of shit. KG had 27 of his passes caught thrown by Jones' 10 games he played in. Then he Glennon and Fromm for the remainder of the season for another 10 grabs or so. Not exactly a situation conducive to production for any WR. I understand your point but KT looks good when he actually practices. KG does not imo. KT does drills well.......but how much is pushing? IDK Bottom line, as I said, KG has had a grand total of one season with NYGs. A season that was trash for the whole team. Of course I see the let up at practice etc but the season starts 9/11/22 let see what does and how hard he plays then. When the NYGs first signed him I naturally checked out his highlight reels. The first thing I thought was this kid is going to bust his hips because the way he would "recklessly" go up for passes to make a play and come crashing down to the turf. Didint see any lacking in effort.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 1, 2022 8:37:43 GMT -5
Did you look to see the quality of those passes? he had Matt Stafford throwing to him in Detroit. He had Jones/Glennon/Fromm throwing to him last year. Thats another misconception imo. In KGs big year 2019 Stafford only played in 8 games. That team won 3 games. KG had 65 catches. Long gone Marvin Jones and Danny Amendola had 62 each. He had 4 100 yard games in 8 games with Stafford. He had 1 in the remaining 8 games.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 1, 2022 8:41:30 GMT -5
Thats another misconception imo. In KGs big year 2019 Stafford only played in 8 games. That team won 3 games. KG had 65 catches. Long gone Marvin Jones and Danny Amendola had 62 each. He had 4 100 yard games in 8 games with Stafford. He had 1 in the remaining 8 games. I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on KG play so far as a Giant. I would be very happy for him to have a great season. I just have not seen any hint of it so far including this preseason. When guys off the street like Colin Johnson, David Sils, etc can catch balls then maybe its not all the QBs fault.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 1, 2022 8:45:51 GMT -5
I understand your point but KT looks good when he actually practices. KG does not imo. KT does drills well.......but how much is pushing? IDK Bottom line, as I said, KG has had a grand total of one season with NYGs. A season that was trash for the whole team. Of course I see the let up at practice etc but the season starts 9/11/22 let see what does and how hard he plays then. When the NYGs first signed him I naturally checked out his highlight reels. The first thing I thought was this kid is going to bust his hips because the way he would "recklessly" go up for passes to make a play and come crashing down to the turf. Didint see any lacking in effort. Maybe the hip or other injury has played a role in his decline since 2019. Injuries happen. I understand that and will not bash a guy over an injury but I do try to be realistic about what that player is giving right now. I still think KG can be a asset in a specific role if he gives 100% and accepts a specific limited role. If we try to make him in to a real #1 WR we are going to be disappointed. Reportedly the next best offer after our 4 year 72 mill contract was a 1 year prove it offer at $14 mill from the Bengals. Maybe the Bengals had the right idea coming off injury.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 1, 2022 8:46:49 GMT -5
He had 4 100 yard games in 8 games with Stafford. He had 1 in the remaining 8 games. I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on KG play so far as a Giant. I would be very happy for him to have a great season. I just have not seen any hint of it so far including this preseason. When guys off the street like Colin Johnson, David Sils, etc can catch balls then maybe its not all the QBs fault. Look....I'm trying to pump up the kid. Cut me some slack.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 1, 2022 8:51:00 GMT -5
KT does drills well.......but how much is pushing? IDK Bottom line, as I said, KG has had a grand total of one season with NYGs. A season that was trash for the whole team. Of course I see the let up at practice etc but the season starts 9/11/22 let see what does and how hard he plays then. When the NYGs first signed him I naturally checked out his highlight reels. The first thing I thought was this kid is going to bust his hips because the way he would "recklessly" go up for passes to make a play and come crashing down to the turf. Didint see any lacking in effort. Maybe the hip or other injury has played a role in his decline since 2019. Injuries happen. I understand that and will not bash a guy over an injury but I do try to be realistic about what that player is giving right now. I still think KG can be a asset in a specific role if he gives 100% and accepts a specific limited role. If we try to make him in to a real #1 WR we are going to be disappointed. Reportedly the next best offer after our 4 year 72 mill contract was a 1 year prove it offer at $14 mill from the Bengals. Maybe the Bengals had the right idea coming off injury. It is what it is. Daboll and Schoen want him to contribute no matter what. They will create plays in which he can help this offense succeed. If thats just moving the chains then so be it. He is getting paid either way this season. He has to be a consistent contributor. If he isnt or cant get it done Daboll will have him in the sidelines.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 1, 2022 8:57:42 GMT -5
I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on KG play so far as a Giant. I would be very happy for him to have a great season. I just have not seen any hint of it so far including this preseason. When guys off the street like Colin Johnson, David Sils, etc can catch balls then maybe its not all the QBs fault. Look....I'm trying to pump up the kid. Cut me some slack. Fair enough. I do hope you are right. I just do not want to force things to him and hurt the rest of our offense/team. If he can produce I will be happy. I really do think he could be as asset in a limited specialized role on passes where he can block out smaller guys in short yardage situations or redzone. He would have to accept a smaller role and hustle.
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