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Post by jaymas on Sept 12, 2022 18:16:55 GMT -5
Did you happen to watch Joe Burrow yesterday? All QB’s make mistakes. Absolutely. I do not disagree with this at all. The difference is that throwing that many picks in a game isn't typical for Burrow. It's not his norm. Jones throwing a terrible pick and fumbling when he gets sacked is what he does over and over again. He hasn't fixed either of those very large problems. Except he lost 3 fumbles last year and 6 the year before. Neither is close to the worst in the league. So he's quite literally gotten better every year in regard to that. So not making that mistake over and over again like you're saying. Add to it, a QB fumbling can often not even be his fault, this is not an argument that holds up. Sure, in your head, because the giants have stunk and he's the QB, he's just fumbling and intercepting games away all on his own. But that's just not the reality. He didn't throw a single redzone interception as a rookie, nor did he last year. He threw 3 in 2020. So in 3 years + one game, he has thrown 4 redzone interceptions. What I hope, since the Giants were not an impressive redzone offense the last two years, is that Daboll and Kafka can get him back to a strength he had as a rookie which was throwing TDs in the redzone, he had 13. As of yesterday, the guy is not off to a good start in that regard, though he technically had 1.
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Post by njsean on Sept 12, 2022 18:17:44 GMT -5
Third down conversion is made up? Success rate during the blitz isn’t tracked? Are you sure? That sucks for Burrow. Must’ve been a lousy game. Sucks more for Jones, though. It’s been a pretty lousy career. Not sure what you want everyone to agree with - we won today. Be happy. It’s okay if some people think his biggest flaws include not being able to keep his head under pressure. BIG UPDATE! Does that meet your standard of making completions under pressure? Also, the irony of "we won today, be happy" coming from the guy that got hung up on the non-reality of Daniel Jones not completing passes under pressure in the midst of a win...is funny. No. It doesn’t. When those conversions can’t keep us on the field on third down, I really can’t say I’m impressed at all. I don’t consider that making a play. I guess we have different standards. It’s actually uncomfortable how much you want people to believe something. I’m not suddenly going to be like - “Oh wow. I didn’t see Jones run into pressure yesterday, move poorly in the pocket, not release the ball and take a sack, and then come off the field third down after third down. I need to reevaluate those 188 yards.” It’s actually possible to enjoy our win and think our QB plays frantically and scattered. I wonder if you can enjoy our win and realize that people weren’t impressed by the QB play. I hope you can. Wins don’t come often here to not enjoy one.
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Post by jaymas on Sept 12, 2022 18:55:03 GMT -5
BIG UPDATE! Does that meet your standard of making completions under pressure? Also, the irony of "we won today, be happy" coming from the guy that got hung up on the non-reality of Daniel Jones not completing passes under pressure in the midst of a win...is funny. No. It doesn’t. When those conversions can’t keep us on the field on third down, I really can’t say I’m impressed at all. I don’t consider that making a play. I guess we have different standards. It’s actually uncomfortable how much you want people to believe something. I’m not suddenly going to be like - “Oh wow. I didn’t see Jones run into pressure yesterday, move poorly in the pocket, not release the ball and take a sack, and then come off the field third down after third down. I need to reevaluate those 188 yards.” It’s actually possible to enjoy our win and think our QB plays frantically and scattered. I wonder if you can enjoy our win and realize that people weren’t impressed by the QB play. I hope you can. Wins don’t come often here to not enjoy one. What are you talking about haha? You said he wasn't good under pressure...the actual stat for that says otherwise. Straws just being grasped at here.
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Post by njsean on Sept 12, 2022 19:17:12 GMT -5
No. It doesn’t. When those conversions can’t keep us on the field on third down, I really can’t say I’m impressed at all. I don’t consider that making a play. I guess we have different standards. It’s actually uncomfortable how much you want people to believe something. I’m not suddenly going to be like - “Oh wow. I didn’t see Jones run into pressure yesterday, move poorly in the pocket, not release the ball and take a sack, and then come off the field third down after third down. I need to reevaluate those 188 yards.” It’s actually possible to enjoy our win and think our QB plays frantically and scattered. I wonder if you can enjoy our win and realize that people weren’t impressed by the QB play. I hope you can. Wins don’t come often here to not enjoy one. What are you talking about haha? You said he wasn't good under pressure...the actual stat for that says otherwise. Straws just being grasped at here. 2 for 10. Go Giants. Hope the line gets to block more. Jones struggles to make plays and see the field - outside his ability of getting 3 when we need 5, I guess.
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Post by Providence on Sept 12, 2022 19:21:26 GMT -5
Absolutely. I do not disagree with this at all. The difference is that throwing that many picks in a game isn't typical for Burrow. It's not his norm. Jones throwing a terrible pick and fumbling when he gets sacked is what he does over and over again. He hasn't fixed either of those very large problems. Except he lost 3 fumbles last year and 6 the year before. Neither is close to the worst in the league. So he's quite literally gotten better every year in regard to that. So not making that mistake over and over again like you're saying. Add to it, a QB fumbling can often not even be his fault, this is not an argument that holds up. Sure, in your head, because the giants have stunk and he's the QB, he's just fumbling and intercepting games away all on his own. But that's just not the reality. He didn't throw a single redzone interception as a rookie, nor did he last year. He threw 3 in 2020. So in 3 years + one game, he has thrown 4 redzone interceptions. What I hope, since the Giants were not an impressive redzone offense the last two years, is that Daboll and Kafka can get him back to a strength he had as a rookie which was throwing TDs in the redzone, he had 13. As of yesterday, the guy is not off to a good start in that regard, though he technically had 1. There has definitely been improvement with the turnovers, I don't want to take that away from him. It just doesn't seem to be enough improvement (in my opinion, of course). Maybe because yesterday was his first game in what is clearly a "this is a make or break year" that I expected not to see a pick like that. I'm not saying he needed to shoot the lights out yesterday, but that pick, on the first game of a year like this? Really? And I recognize that our losses aren't because of him. We have a Dave Gettleman sized hole in this franchise. I guess what I'm getting at is this: Is Jones solid? Yes. Can he win some ball games? Definitely. Does he have what it takes to make the plays needed to run the table in the post season? I don't see it. I certainly wish I did. And I wish even more that I'm proven wrong.
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Post by jaymas on Sept 12, 2022 19:25:58 GMT -5
What are you talking about haha? You said he wasn't good under pressure...the actual stat for that says otherwise. Straws just being grasped at here. 2 for 10. Go Giants. Hope the line gets to block more. Jones struggles to make plays and see the field - outside his ability of getting 3 when we need 5, I guess. Oh, now it's just a 3rd down thing, not a pressure thing? So you're blaming Jones for not converting 3rd and longs way behind the sticks in the first half? Didn't really get to 3rd down a lot in the 2nd half since they were moving the ball...is this a problem too?
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Post by jaymas on Sept 12, 2022 19:26:34 GMT -5
Except he lost 3 fumbles last year and 6 the year before. Neither is close to the worst in the league. So he's quite literally gotten better every year in regard to that. So not making that mistake over and over again like you're saying. Add to it, a QB fumbling can often not even be his fault, this is not an argument that holds up. Sure, in your head, because the giants have stunk and he's the QB, he's just fumbling and intercepting games away all on his own. But that's just not the reality. He didn't throw a single redzone interception as a rookie, nor did he last year. He threw 3 in 2020. So in 3 years + one game, he has thrown 4 redzone interceptions. What I hope, since the Giants were not an impressive redzone offense the last two years, is that Daboll and Kafka can get him back to a strength he had as a rookie which was throwing TDs in the redzone, he had 13. As of yesterday, the guy is not off to a good start in that regard, though he technically had 1. There has definitely been improvement with the turnovers, I don't want to take that away from him. It just doesn't seem to be enough improvement (in my opinion, of course). Maybe because yesterday was his first game in what is clearly a "this is a make or break year" that I expected not to see a pick like that. I'm not saying he needed to shoot the lights out yesterday, but that pick, on the first game of a year like this? Really? And I recognize that our losses aren't because of him. We have a Dave Gettleman sized hole in this franchise. I guess what I'm getting at is this: Is Jones solid? Yes. Can he win some ball games? Definitely. Does he have what it takes to make the plays needed to run the table in the post season? I don't see it. I certainly wish I did. And I wish even more that I'm proven wrong. I'm down with that. Well said.
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Post by njsean on Sept 12, 2022 19:38:50 GMT -5
2 for 10. Go Giants. Hope the line gets to block more. Jones struggles to make plays and see the field - outside his ability of getting 3 when we need 5, I guess. Oh, now it's just a 3rd down thing, not a pressure thing? So you're blaming Jones for not converting 3rd and longs way behind the sticks in the first half? Didn't really get to 3rd down a lot in the 2nd half since they were moving the ball...is this a problem too? lol “now” Certainly not just, but it’s a big part of it. But I’m sure I’m just crazy - I’m sure D coordinators are shaking in their boots at the thought of blitzing, knowing Jones will just smile and pick them apart. You’re right. Dude navigates a pocket like ballerina. Change the narrative, man. You got this.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 12, 2022 19:51:11 GMT -5
He was his typical garbage self. I'm sorry, but the "we got a win, don't worry about it" crowd seems to be missing the larger point. I'm thrilled with the win and it was awesome to have a smile on my face at the end of a Giants game. But Jones held us back that game. If we had a mid-level QB in that game we win by at least seven points. The interception in the end zone was horrendous. It's no big deal if this is opening day of his second season, but it's not. This is opening day of his FOURTH season and he's still making that throw. I was out on Jones at the end of year two. I thought everyone would turn on him by the end of year three. I'm baffled that he still has such support in September 2022. He's fine and will probably have a solid career as a backup, but a Super Bowl caliber QB he is not. Super Bowl caliber QB's don't make the same mistakes in year four that they did in year one. Did you happen to watch Joe Burrow yesterday? All QB’s make mistakes. Joe Burrow has nothing to prove. We already know he's great.
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Post by cdngfan on Sept 12, 2022 20:07:45 GMT -5
Except he lost 3 fumbles last year and 6 the year before. Neither is close to the worst in the league. So he's quite literally gotten better every year in regard to that. So not making that mistake over and over again like you're saying. Add to it, a QB fumbling can often not even be his fault, this is not an argument that holds up. Sure, in your head, because the giants have stunk and he's the QB, he's just fumbling and intercepting games away all on his own. But that's just not the reality. He didn't throw a single redzone interception as a rookie, nor did he last year. He threw 3 in 2020. So in 3 years + one game, he has thrown 4 redzone interceptions. What I hope, since the Giants were not an impressive redzone offense the last two years, is that Daboll and Kafka can get him back to a strength he had as a rookie which was throwing TDs in the redzone, he had 13. As of yesterday, the guy is not off to a good start in that regard, though he technically had 1. There has definitely been improvement with the turnovers, I don't want to take that away from him. It just doesn't seem to be enough improvement (in my opinion, of course). Maybe because yesterday was his first game in what is clearly a "this is a make or break year" that I expected not to see a pick like that. I'm not saying he needed to shoot the lights out yesterday, but that pick, on the first game of a year like this? Really? And I recognize that our losses aren't because of him. We have a Dave Gettleman sized hole in this franchise. I guess what I'm getting at is this: Is Jones solid? Yes. Can he win some ball games? Definitely. Does he have what it takes to make the plays needed to run the table in the post season? I don't see it. I certainly wish I did. And I wish even more that I'm proven wrong. Very fair. I didn’t think he played bad yesterday. But in the same breath, if you ended the season today, then the Giants are looking for a new QB. He’ll have to play better than that. He’s going to have to carry this team in a bunch of games for him to have a chance to stay. He simply hasn’t done that much. I know all the excuses. But none of them matter now. And for sure Daboll and Schoen and rooting for him too. Unless they fall in love with a frlnge QB in the draft, moving up will cost a kings ransom in picks. They want Jones to succeed.
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Post by jaymas on Sept 12, 2022 20:16:18 GMT -5
Oh, now it's just a 3rd down thing, not a pressure thing? So you're blaming Jones for not converting 3rd and longs way behind the sticks in the first half? Didn't really get to 3rd down a lot in the 2nd half since they were moving the ball...is this a problem too? lol “now” Certainly not just, but it’s a big part of it. But I’m sure I’m just crazy - I’m sure D coordinators are shaking in their boots at the thought of blitzing, knowing Jones will just smile and pick them apart. You’re right. Dude navigates a pocket like ballerina. Change the narrative, man. You got this. Straw man city, I didn't say any of that. We were talking about the game against the Tennessee Titans yesterday in which he completed 81 percent of his passes when facing pressure. That's just the facts. That's my favorite thing about the anti-Jones crew, when the arguments crumble, you just try and turn it into "oh yeah he's so good, you're right." And 10 times out of 10 no one is saying the thing you're rebutting with. He has absolutely struggled against pressure in the past. Yesterday, while under it all day, he did not. Just facts, that's all. Doesn't mean he won't in the future, doesn't mean he's getting his next contract, doesn't mean he'll have a good year. It means that yesterday he beat pressure to the tune of an 81 percent completion percentage. That is all.
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Post by njsean on Sept 12, 2022 20:29:48 GMT -5
lol “now” Certainly not just, but it’s a big part of it. But I’m sure I’m just crazy - I’m sure D coordinators are shaking in their boots at the thought of blitzing, knowing Jones will just smile and pick them apart. You’re right. Dude navigates a pocket like ballerina. Change the narrative, man. You got this. Straw man city, I didn't say any of that. We were talking about the game against the Tennessee Titans yesterday in which he completed 81 percent of his passes when facing pressure. That's just the facts. That's my favorite thing about the a ti-Jomea crew, when the arguments crumble, you just try and turn it into "oh yeah he's so good, you're right." And 10 times out of 10 no one is saying the thing you're rebutting with. He has absolutely struggled against pressure in the past. Yesterday, while under it all day, he did not. Just facts, that's all. Doesn't mean he won't in the future, doesn't mean he's getting his next contract, doesn't mean he'll have a good year. It means that yesterday he beat pressure to the tune of an 81 percent completion percentage. That is all. You aren’t saying those things? You agree he struggles with pressure regularly and very easily will again? Then what are we talking about here? I said originally: “My thoughts he can be very good with a clean pocket for 2 seconds, but gets to be a scattered mess with pressure. He will keep getting pressure.” Which you for some reason took umbrage with. I didn’t even mention the Titans game to be honest, but I still don’t like how he handled a lot of the pressure he got in the game. Kudos for doing enough to win and having a good completion percentage, but none of that changed my reaction to the plays where he moved around like he had ants in his pants, failed to convert, and reinforced my above opinion. Where’s the problem? Here, I’ll amend my OP: My thoughts he can be very good with a clean pocket for 2 seconds, but gets to be a scattered mess with pressure, though today it less scattered and messy but still scattered and messy at times. He will keep getting pressure. EDIT - I also think it’s ironic you label me as anti-Jones, which I certainly am not. I don’t post a lot, but most of what I have has been defending him, usually regarding the “stares down receivers” perception - which he actually did yesterday in his pick. So. There’s that.
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Post by allnygin on Sept 12, 2022 20:40:09 GMT -5
lol “now” Certainly not just, but it’s a big part of it. But I’m sure I’m just crazy - I’m sure D coordinators are shaking in their boots at the thought of blitzing, knowing Jones will just smile and pick them apart. You’re right. Dude navigates a pocket like ballerina. Change the narrative, man. You got this. Straw man city, I didn't say any of that. We were talking about the game against the Tennessee Titans yesterday in which he completed 81 percent of his passes when facing pressure. That's just the facts. That's my favorite thing about the anti-Jones crew, when the arguments crumble, you just try and turn it into "oh yeah he's so good, you're right." And 10 times out of 10 no one is saying the thing you're rebutting with. He has absolutely struggled against pressure in the past. Yesterday, while under it all day, he did not. Just facts, that's all. Doesn't mean he won't in the future, doesn't mean he's getting his next contract, doesn't mean he'll have a good year. It means that yesterday he beat pressure to the tune of an 81 percent completion percentage. That is all. Actually DJ has always been rated one of the best under pressure, I remember reading that almost every season not sure all that goes into coming up with that, but one thing I always scrutinized and let me preface this by saying this is just an eye test I do not at all watch tape on DJ after games it's not that deep for me, but he's always looked bad to me in the pocket, late to react, doesn't sense pressure or maybe he does but just ignores it, hell I can't even rememebr the last time I even seen him climb the pocket. To be fair there are times where the line breaks down and nobody would have time to do anything. DO you not feel there's room for impovement there or do you subscribe to the fact he's really the best QB under pressure?
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Post by giantsalmon on Sept 12, 2022 20:47:17 GMT -5
I saw what Tyreek Hill and AJ Brown did for Hurts and Tua yesterday. ..I'd love to see Jones play with a stud WR #1 before he is run out of town. Agree. Yes, Josh Allen had stability, great coaching and a great system but yet there were question marks .I still remember a day long talk radio show here in the Buffalo market dedicated to a debate as to "will Josh Allen EVER be the type of QB to throw for 300 yds in a game?" The truth is, NOTHING changed Allens trajectory or that Buffalo offense like the addition of Stephon Diggs. It seems extremely sad now that it was thought Galloday would be that guy for Jones/NYG. Diggs treats every ball in the air like a gold ingot, and more importantly opens everything else up by his mere presence.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 12, 2022 20:53:34 GMT -5
He was OK for me.
He had one important ball dropped by James which would have pushed him to 18 for 21.
He also delivered a number of quick throws to convert first downs. (I went back and watched the game)
The int was bad, really bad but c'mon, how perfect must he be for some of you?
I am not set on him but I am happy to see this play out this year.
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Post by allnygin on Sept 12, 2022 21:05:12 GMT -5
He was OK for me. He had one important ball dropped by James which would have pushed him to 18 for 21. He also delivered a number of quick throws to convert first downs. (I went back and watched the game) The int was bad, really bad but c'mon, how perfect must he be for some of you? I am not set on him but I am happy to see this play out this year. I just think he needs to be better if we want to keep rolling with DJ going forward in the future. week 1 - my opinions may be a little to harsh, but I want him to be our answer I just don't see it and that is frustrating. We won, onto week 2.
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Post by jaymas on Sept 12, 2022 21:10:05 GMT -5
Straw man city, I didn't say any of that. We were talking about the game against the Tennessee Titans yesterday in which he completed 81 percent of his passes when facing pressure. That's just the facts. That's my favorite thing about the anti-Jones crew, when the arguments crumble, you just try and turn it into "oh yeah he's so good, you're right." And 10 times out of 10 no one is saying the thing you're rebutting with. He has absolutely struggled against pressure in the past. Yesterday, while under it all day, he did not. Just facts, that's all. Doesn't mean he won't in the future, doesn't mean he's getting his next contract, doesn't mean he'll have a good year. It means that yesterday he beat pressure to the tune of an 81 percent completion percentage. That is all. Actually DJ has always been rated one of the best under pressure, I remember reading that almost every season not sure all that goes into coming up with that, but one thing I always scrutinized and let me preface this by saying this is just an eye test I do not at all watch tape on DJ after games it's not that deep for me, but he's always looked bad to me in the pocket, late to react, doesn't sense pressure or maybe he does but just ignores it, hell I can't even rememebr the last time I even seen him climb the pocket. To be fair there are times where the line breaks down and nobody would have time to do anything. DO you not feel there's room for impovement there or do you subscribe to the fact he's really the best QB under pressure? No I agree with you, his pocket presence (just to give it a term) is something he needs to improve on. I was genuinely referring to the game yesterday as it relates to pressure.
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Post by ocgiant on Sept 12, 2022 23:24:02 GMT -5
Yep he made a bone head throw and I truly believe Dabol really-really let him know that crap is not going to cut it.
He had some nice throws not perfect but enough to keep that Giants hanging in there and Dabol and Dj hugged it out at the end of the game
All good, time to kick the Panthers ass and go to 2-0 which I cannot even believe I am posting, lol.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 13, 2022 9:01:47 GMT -5
Bottom line is that one game Jones overcame terrible pick and definitely helped the team win the game. Efficient stats and a few big plays
Was it a step towards being a franchise QB? Probably not because the pick he threw he threw was so confounding. However Daboll does like players that can over come inevitable mistakes.
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Post by shocknaweny on Sept 13, 2022 9:10:26 GMT -5
What Are Your Overall Thoughts On Daniel Jones’s Performance Today vs Titans? pedestrian but overall not terrible
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Post by jimmieray on Sept 13, 2022 9:14:18 GMT -5
Bottom line is that one game Jones overcame terrible pick and definitely helped the team win the game. Efficient stats and a few big plays Was it a step towards being a franchise QB? Probably not because the pick he threw he threw was so confounding. However Daboll does like players that can over come inevitable mistakes. Maybe all Jones ever needed, was a HC with a rolled up newspaper at the ready...
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Post by miggs on Sept 13, 2022 9:25:51 GMT -5
On this site posters always look first to player's faults. I always look first to see if HC caused problems for players.
Jones would have had way more completions and less sacks if Daboll had played a available left guards who could pass block. He didn't.
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Post by jb456 on Sept 13, 2022 9:32:14 GMT -5
the best thing coming from the horrible pick was that he didnt fold and still got the team in position to score with some good passes, a run for a critical first down and 2pt conversion shovel pass to the SB. Exactly. He made plays down the stretch and they won. What else can we ask of this guy? He threw a bad INT. But they still won and he played a big part in that. The thing that annoys me and probably many others (I loved that win BTW), is the fact the Jones hasn't made his case to be the Giants QB of the future and he is already in his 4th year. Also, if the Giants decide to move on from Jones we will need to wait years since the Giants don't have the draft capital to get a quality QB in the next draft. QB hell awaits the Giants unless Jones makes a significant improvement in his game. If he didn't make that dunce interception (interceptions happen to the best but that one was just ridiculous), I would have come on here and said yes, Jones had a great game. Barkley isn't going to be able to run for 150 yards every game and Jones won't have the Luxury of having such a game turning interception in the end zone.
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Post by jimmieray on Sept 13, 2022 9:36:40 GMT -5
On this site posters always look first to player's faults. I always look first to see if HC caused problems for players. Jones would have had way more completions and less sacks if Daboll had played a available left guards who could pass block. He didn't. Ehhhh... we know our Guard situation is currently weak at pass blocking. Run blocking turned out to be key in that game, and Jones survived.
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Post by miggs on Sept 13, 2022 11:12:05 GMT -5
On this site posters always look first to player's faults. I always look first to see if HC caused problems for players. Jones would have had way more completions and less sacks if Daboll had played a available left guards who could pass block. He didn't. Ehhhh... we know our Guard situation is currently weak at pass blocking. Run blocking turned out to be key in that game, and Jones survived. I don't think LG position is weak. As Hamilton played very well on OL in pre-season. Can understand Daboll not playing recently signed Peterson in Titan game. But do hope to see him play in Carolina game. He may be Giants best LG.
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Post by jimmieray on Sept 13, 2022 11:19:05 GMT -5
Ehhhh... we know our Guard situation is currently weak at pass blocking. Run blocking turned out to be key in that game, and Jones survived. I don't think LG position is weak. As Hamilton played very well on OL in pre-season. Can understand Daboll not playing recently signed Peterson in Titan game. But do hope to see him play in Carolina game. He may be Giants best LG. It will be interesting to see how the personnel changes go along with the scheme evolving. Looks like Daboll knows who and what is ready to be put out there.
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Post by miggs on Sept 13, 2022 11:40:11 GMT -5
With regard to Jones interception, the play design was all wrong. As Jones should have option to the the ball to Barkley either before or after Barkley reached the end zone.
Instead, the play was limited to Barkley first looking back and catching the pass from Jones in the end zone.
In fact, Barkley was open early on before he got to the end zone but didn't look toward Jones. Barkleyl's defender was on Barkley in the end zone when Jones threw the ball to him and it was intercepted.
Daboll and Kafka deserve as much, if not more criticism, as Jones does. As Jones should have had the option to throw the pass much earlier and he could have done so if only Barkley had been told to glance for a pass ball before he got to the end zone.
Seems that Daboll was clueless even after the interception as yelled at Jones for throwing an I'll-advised pass without relealizing as the play developed that Joe's should have had the option to throwing the ball to Barkley before he crossed the end zone line.
Daboll also has to design pass plays for Barkley where he goes out on passes inside the tackle and then breaks outside or across the middle. The 49ers HC Bill Walsh use to do that all the time for RB Wendell Tyler, and it worked virtually all the time.
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Post by miggs on Sept 13, 2022 12:42:08 GMT -5
Loved that Jones ( completed 3-passes) along with Barkley led the Giants toward the end of the fourth quarter on a 9-play 73-yard drive for a touchdown and 2-point conversion that provided the Giants with it's 1-point margin of victory.
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Post by allnygin on Sept 13, 2022 12:44:36 GMT -5
With regard to Jones interception, the play design was all wrong. As Jones should have option to the the ball to Barkley either before or after Barkley reached the end zone. Instead, the play was limited to Barkley first looking back and catching the pass from Jones in the end zone. In fact, Barkley was open early on before he got to the end zone but didn't look toward Jones. Barkleyl's defender was on Barkley in the end zone when Jones threw the ball to him and it was intercepted. Daboll and Kafka deserve as much, if not more criticism, as Jones does. As Jones should have had the option to throw the pass much earlier and he could have done so if only Barkley had been told to glance for a pass ball before he got to the end zone. Seems that Daboll was clueless even after the interception as yelled at Jones for throwing an I'll-advised pass without relealizing as the play developed that Joe's should have had the option to throwing the ball to Barkley before he crossed the end zone line. Daboll also has to design pass plays for Barkley where he goes out on passes inside the tackle and then breaks outside or across the middle. The 49ers HC Bill Walsh use to do that all the time for RB Wendell Tyler, and it worked virtually all the time. please, just stop man.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 13, 2022 12:45:13 GMT -5
I don't think LG position is weak. As Hamilton played very well on OL in pre-season. Can understand Daboll not playing recently signed Peterson in Titan game. But do hope to see him play in Carolina game. He may be Giants best LG. It will be interesting to see how the personnel changes go along with the scheme evolving. Looks like Daboll knows who and what is ready to be put out there. yep...he was saying all week about the LG spot. He has to see what these guys do in the game. They will be in and out until a winner is crowned there. I like the rookie Ezeudu. Kid def has some big potential there it seems.
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