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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2022 12:50:01 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see how the personnel changes go along with the scheme evolving. Looks like Daboll knows who and what is ready to be put out there. yep...he was saying all week about the LG spot. He has to see what these guys do in the game. They will be in and out until a winner is crowned there. I like the rookie Ezeudu. Kid def has some big potential there it seems. It's a shame that they didn't protect Wyatt Davis who was purged by the Saints.. I can't remember if "frenchy" is available as soon as he's healthy enough or will have to wait it out for 4 games before he's eligible..
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Post by jimmieray on Sept 13, 2022 12:53:18 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see how the personnel changes go along with the scheme evolving. Looks like Daboll knows who and what is ready to be put out there. yep...he was saying all week about the LG spot. He has to see what these guys do in the game. They will be in and out until a winner is crowned there. I like the rookie Ezeudu. Kid def has some big potential there it seems. We're getting to know some of these players' strengths and weaknesses, and now saw how the game plan revolved around that, depending on who was out there. While that's fun for us, I hope it doesn't clue in other DCs if we'll be doing more running plays, screen plays, etc...
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Post by Delicreep on Sept 13, 2022 12:56:26 GMT -5
What Are Your Overall Thoughts On Daniel Jones’s Performance Today vs Titans? pedestrian but overall not terrible And not the play of a true franchise QB, in my opinion.
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Post by jimmieray on Sept 13, 2022 12:59:51 GMT -5
yep...he was saying all week about the LG spot. He has to see what these guys do in the game. They will be in and out until a winner is crowned there. I like the rookie Ezeudu. Kid def has some big potential there it seems. It's a shame that they didn't protect Wyatt Davis who was purged by the Saints.. I can't remember if "frenchy" is available as soon as he's healthy enough or will have to wait it out for 4 games before he's eligible.. We have a "Frenchy"?
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Post by thetruth on Sept 13, 2022 13:00:53 GMT -5
pedestrian but overall not terrible And not the play of a true franchise QB, in my opinion. Not now, not ever. He has lots to do to prove otherwise
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 13, 2022 13:13:11 GMT -5
With regard to Jones interception, the play design was all wrong. As Jones should have option to the the ball to Barkley either before or after Barkley reached the end zone. Instead, the play was limited to Barkley first looking back and catching the pass from Jones in the end zone. In fact, Barkley was open early on before he got to the end zone but didn't look toward Jones. Barkleyl's defender was on Barkley in the end zone when Jones threw the ball to him and it was intercepted. Daboll and Kafka deserve as much, if not more criticism, as Jones does. As Jones should have had the option to throw the pass much earlier and he could have done so if only Barkley had been told to glance for a pass ball before he got to the end zone. Seems that Daboll was clueless even after the interception as yelled at Jones for throwing an I'll-advised pass without relealizing as the play developed that Joe's should have had the option to throwing the ball to Barkley before he crossed the end zone line. Daboll also has to design pass plays for Barkley where he goes out on passes inside the tackle and then breaks outside or across the middle. The 49ers HC Bill Walsh use to do that all the time for RB Wendell Tyler, and it worked virtually all the time. I don't agree with this take at all. It was just a bad read and a bad throw.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 13, 2022 13:21:25 GMT -5
yep...he was saying all week about the LG spot. He has to see what these guys do in the game. They will be in and out until a winner is crowned there. I like the rookie Ezeudu. Kid def has some big potential there it seems. It's a shame that they didn't protect Wyatt Davis who was purged by the Saints.. I can't remember if "frenchy" is available as soon as he's healthy enough or will have to wait it out for 4 games before he's eligible.. He's was put on the IR I believe so they have to wait the 4 games. I am not counting in him anyway. He was only a rookie who showed some potential. I dont know anything about Davis.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2022 13:44:19 GMT -5
It's a shame that they didn't protect Wyatt Davis who was purged by the Saints.. I can't remember if "frenchy" is available as soon as he's healthy enough or will have to wait it out for 4 games before he's eligible.. He's was put on the IR I believe so they have to wait the 4 games. I am not counting in him anyway. He was only a rookie who showed some potential. I dont know anything about Davis. There needs to be some improvement at that position asap.. I thought Shane wasn't all that good and just hopeful better coaching and some experience he'll be better then his current tape..
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 13, 2022 13:47:46 GMT -5
With regard to Jones interception, the play design was all wrong. As Jones should have option to the the ball to Barkley either before or after Barkley reached the end zone. Instead, the play was limited to Barkley first looking back and catching the pass from Jones in the end zone. In fact, Barkley was open early on before he got to the end zone but didn't look toward Jones. Barkleyl's defender was on Barkley in the end zone when Jones threw the ball to him and it was intercepted. Daboll and Kafka deserve as much, if not more criticism, as Jones does. As Jones should have had the option to throw the pass much earlier and he could have done so if only Barkley had been told to glance for a pass ball before he got to the end zone. Seems that Daboll was clueless even after the interception as yelled at Jones for throwing an I'll-advised pass without relealizing as the play developed that Joe's should have had the option to throwing the ball to Barkley before he crossed the end zone line. Daboll also has to design pass plays for Barkley where he goes out on passes inside the tackle and then breaks outside or across the middle. The 49ers HC Bill Walsh use to do that all the time for RB Wendell Tyler, and it worked virtually all the time. Oh my dear Lord.........
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Post by GameTime on Sept 13, 2022 13:48:39 GMT -5
He's was put on the IR I believe so they have to wait the 4 games. I am not counting in him anyway. He was only a rookie who showed some potential. I dont know anything about Davis. There needs to be some improvement at that position asap.. I thought Shane wasn't all that good and just hopeful better coaching and some experience he'll be better then his current tape.. We have to wait for the new rookie to get his feet wet.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2022 13:52:31 GMT -5
There needs to be some improvement at that position asap.. I thought Shane wasn't all that good and just hopeful better coaching and some experience he'll be better then his current tape.. We have to wait for the new rookie to get his feet wet. True and I hope it doesn't end up getting Jones injured
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Post by GameTime on Sept 13, 2022 14:05:25 GMT -5
We have to wait for the new rookie to get his feet wet. True and I hope it doesn't end up getting Jones injured speaking on that... Jones looks like he is trying to protect himself when he runs now and looks totally awkward when he is going down. Not good at all IMO. I watched a lot of football on Sunday and not many QBs slide or go down prematurely anymore. They just run and take hits like football palyers. Allen stiff armed a DB with his throwing hand!! Impressive but kinda dumb.
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Post by robl on Sept 13, 2022 14:10:48 GMT -5
Just thought I’d put this here:
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Post by GameTime on Sept 13, 2022 14:32:20 GMT -5
Just thought I’d put this here: love it!!!
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Post by miggs on Sept 13, 2022 14:46:23 GMT -5
On this site posters always look first to player's faults. I always look first to see if HC caused problems for players. Jones would have had way more completions and less sacks if Daboll had played a available left guards who could pass block. He didn't. On this site we get to read such gems as, "Gettleman has built a terrific roster." Agree that Schoen is light years ahead of DG, but none of the players that scored against Titans were Schoen guys. Most here disliked Barkley pick? What does that say?
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Post by allnygin on Sept 13, 2022 14:52:20 GMT -5
On this site we get to read such gems as, "Gettleman has built a terrific roster." Agree that Schoen is light years ahead of DG, but none of the players that scored against Titans were Schoen guys. Most here disliked Barkley pick? What does that say? saquan is awesome, and a part of me hoped the giants would snag him up despite knowing that was not the best route bc i'm a fan not a GM. Taking a HB #2 with the issues the giants had at the time was criminal, but saquan is awesome - just never should've been the pick at number 2 over all and it kinda helped put the franchise back a bit despite how good he is.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 13, 2022 14:56:44 GMT -5
His second first down run on the game winning drive was on a 4th down too,Huge play and gutsy call. Especially since he was held short right before that.
Not just a snap and run he had to run about 6 or 7 yards deep and to the side line to make that. Shows confidence in the coaches with the play call and execution.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 13, 2022 15:04:56 GMT -5
Agree that Schoen is light years ahead of DG, but none of the players that scored against Titans were Schoen guys. Most here disliked Barkley pick? What does that say? saquan is awesome, and a part of me hoped the giants would snag him up despite knowing that was not the best route bc i'm a fan not a GM. Taking a HB #2 with the issues the giants had at the time was criminal, but saquan is awesome - just never should've been the pick at number 2 over all and it kinda helped put the franchise back a bit despite how good he is. Nah, it’s been well established that paying a running back in todays NFL is bad business. You rarely if ever get your moneys worth, and their bodies deteriorate like an old Ford. Let him play out the rest of the season, and then show him the door. We won two Super Bowls with a 4th and 7th round backs. And they did just as much as a top pick would.
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Post by allnygin on Sept 13, 2022 15:26:38 GMT -5
saquan is awesome, and a part of me hoped the giants would snag him up despite knowing that was not the best route bc i'm a fan not a GM. Taking a HB #2 with the issues the giants had at the time was criminal, but saquan is awesome - just never should've been the pick at number 2 over all and it kinda helped put the franchise back a bit despite how good he is. Nah, it’s been well established that paying a running back in todays NFL is bad business. You rarely if ever get your moneys worth, and their bodies deteriorate like an old Ford. Let him play out the rest of the season, and then show him the door. We won two Super Bowls with a 4th and 7th round backs. And they did just as much as a top pick would. As much as I would hate to see saquan leave.. That is the right call when you factor in everything unless he's willing to take a very ny giant favorable contract which I don't see happening.. its a business and some other team will def pay for him in FA
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 13, 2022 15:38:10 GMT -5
On this site we get to read such gems as, "Gettleman has built a terrific roster." Agree that Schoen is light years ahead of DG, but none of the players that scored against Titans were Schoen guys. Most here disliked Barkley pick? What does that say? Picking a RB with the most valuable piece of draft capital in our history was an act of lunacy.
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Post by Roswell on Sept 13, 2022 16:28:51 GMT -5
Agree that Schoen is light years ahead of DG, but none of the players that scored against Titans were Schoen guys. Most here disliked Barkley pick? What does that say? Picking a RB with the most valuable piece of draft capital in our history was an act of lunacy. I agree but he wasn’t the most valuable draft capital in Giant history. Tucker Fredrickson was in 1965.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 13, 2022 16:43:33 GMT -5
Picking a RB with the most valuable piece of draft capital in our history was an act of lunacy. I agree but he wasn’t the most valuable draft capital in Giant history. Tucker Fredrickson was in 1965. I completely disagree. A QB heavy draft with many teams willing to trade up to our spot made it the most valuable ever. We could have parlayed that pick into three 1st's plus other picks. We could have built half our team with that pick.
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Post by miggs on Sept 13, 2022 16:56:04 GMT -5
I agree but he wasn’t the most valuable draft capital in Giant history. Tucker Fredrickson was in 1965. I completely disagree. A QB heavy draft with many teams willing to trade up to our spot made it the most valuable ever. We could have parlayed that pick into three 1st's plus other picks. We could have built half our team with that pick. Don't know whether I should be startled that a day after Barkley leads the Giants to a victory and leads NFL in rushing that posters would bad mount his selection.
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Post by miggs on Sept 13, 2022 16:57:54 GMT -5
Agree that Schoen is light years ahead of DG, but none of the players that scored against Titans were Schoen guys. Most here disliked Barkley pick? What does that say? Picking a RB with the most valuable piece of draft capital in our history was an act of lunacy. Not at all.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 13, 2022 17:47:00 GMT -5
I completely disagree. A QB heavy draft with many teams willing to trade up to our spot made it the most valuable ever. We could have parlayed that pick into three 1st's plus other picks. We could have built half our team with that pick. Don't know whether I should be startled that a day after Barkley leads the Giants to a victory and leads NFL in rushing that posters would bad mount his selection. I supported the pick at the time and as much as I'd like to be able to feel like I was right, there is just no support for that. Pointing out that drafting a RB with the #2 pick, particularly given how deep the needs of the team were at that time is hardly bad mouthing the pick. It's questioning the strategic thinking or lack thereof of the GM at the time.
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Post by miggs on Sept 13, 2022 17:52:10 GMT -5
Read that Jones and Allen tied in NFL for lowest off-target throws at 0 percent. I thought Jones made early off-balance throw into the ground when receiver was open 15 yards in front of him early in the game. No?
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Post by Blue Hulk on Sept 13, 2022 18:08:54 GMT -5
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Post by Roswell on Sept 13, 2022 18:21:40 GMT -5
I agree but he wasn’t the most valuable draft capital in Giant history. Tucker Fredrickson was in 1965. I completely disagree. A QB heavy draft with many teams willing to trade up to our spot made it the most valuable ever. We could have parlayed that pick into three 1st's plus other picks. We could have built half our team with that pick. Fredrickson went first over all. I’m not sure what the rest of that draft looked like but in a points system 1st over all is better than second over all. Which reminds me, when are overalls coming back in style. They’re overdue.
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Post by Roswell on Sept 13, 2022 18:24:00 GMT -5
Read that Jones and Allen tied in NFL for lowest off-target throws at 0 percent. I thought Jones made early off-balance threw ball into the ground when received was open early in the game. No? I thought his best throw of the whole day was dropped by James.
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Post by ocgiant on Sept 13, 2022 19:45:17 GMT -5
Bottom line is that one game Jones overcame terrible pick and definitely helped the team win the game. Efficient stats and a few big plays Was it a step towards being a franchise QB? Probably not because the pick he threw he threw was so confounding. However Daboll does like players that can over come inevitable mistakes. He's going to be under the microscope this season fans, coaches you name it. If he does not throw that int. then a very well played game DJ just needs to remove all doubt this season and I rooting for him that he does so...
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