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Post by SG88 on Sept 11, 2022 20:55:54 GMT -5
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Post by nyg2 on Sept 11, 2022 20:56:29 GMT -5
That's his passer rating, which goes up to 158.3. Now QBR which you referenced only goes up to 100: A QBR of 100 means he had a perfect game. A QBR of 75 means he had a pro bowl caliber game. A QBR of 50 means he had an average game. Daniel Jones QBR is 25.8. Currently 24th best in the league. it sates QB rating. Passer rating vs QBR
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Post by DJones19 on Sept 11, 2022 20:57:05 GMT -5
No what was displayed on the Giants post game report. I made a mistake 115.9 That's his passer rating, which goes up to 158.3. Now QBR which you referenced only goes up to 100: A QBR of 100 means he had a perfect game. A QBR of 75 means he had a pro bowl caliber game. A QBR of 50 means he had an average game. Daniel Jones QBR is 25.8. Currently 24th best in the league. QBR - " weighted based on its "difficulty", the context of the game, and the strength of the opposing defense." Sounds like there is a lot of room to manipulate QBR however ESPN wants. I wonder if ESPN manipulates those numbers it to promote players they want. Just Fields had a 47% competion rate and a terrible INT today and his QBR was in the 40s. The classic QB rating is completely based on numbers - you can't manipulate it.
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Post by DJones19 on Sept 11, 2022 21:00:20 GMT -5
That's his passer rating, which goes up to 158.3. Now QBR which you referenced only goes up to 100: A QBR of 100 means he had a perfect game. A QBR of 75 means he had a pro bowl caliber game. A QBR of 50 means he had an average game. Daniel Jones QBR is 25.8. Currently 24th best in the league. QBR - " weighted based on its "difficulty", the context of the game, and the strength of the opposing defense." Sounds like there is a lot of room to manipulate QBR however ESPN wants. I wonder if ESPN manipulates those numbers it to promote players they want. Just Fields had a 47% competion rate and a terrible INT today and his QBR was in the 40s. The classic QB rating is completely based on numbers - you can't manipulate it. Next Gen stat of the game*:* Jeffery Simmons and Bud Dupree combined for 12 quarterback pressures, three sacks and a turnover on 21 pass rushes each. I guess ESPN's magical QBR formula didn't take the above into account for some reason.
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Post by TEM on Sept 11, 2022 21:00:37 GMT -5
The Giants displayed "QB rating QBR not passer rating PR. Were the Giants wrong in what the put on the screen?
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Post by DJones19 on Sept 11, 2022 21:01:45 GMT -5
ESPN has never released the formula for QBR. They call it proprietary.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 11, 2022 21:03:58 GMT -5
I don't know how to "rate" DJ today. We won the game. He was under a lot of duress. He had a terrible pick at a bad time....but we won the game and we certainly didn't win despite him. He made some plays.
He's also still learning a new system. We saw Daboll getting after him after that pick. That's part of the process.
This game doesn't tell us much. He looked like he's looked the first three years. Kid makes plays and makes mistakes too. Let's see how the season plays out.
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 11, 2022 21:04:00 GMT -5
Daniel looked like Daniel … looks decent for a lot of the game but always seems to make an inexplicable mistake at an important point of the game.
It was only by sheer luck that his ridiculous INT didn’t cost us the game.
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Post by nyg2 on Sept 11, 2022 21:05:24 GMT -5
The Giants displayed "QB rating QBR not passer rating PR. Were the Giants wrong in what the put on the screen? They displayed QB rating. You used the acronym QBR, which is associated with how ESPN evaluates QB.
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Post by TEM on Sept 11, 2022 21:07:14 GMT -5
The Giants displayed "QB rating QBR not passer rating PR. Were the Giants wrong in what the put on the screen? They displayed QB rating. You used the acronym QBR, which is associated with how ESPN evaluates QB. What does QBR stand for? If not QB rating
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Post by TEM on Sept 11, 2022 21:09:44 GMT -5
I don't know how to "rate" DJ today. We won the game. He was under a lot of duress. He had a terrible pick at a bad time....but we won the game and we certainly didn't win despite him. He made some plays. He's also still learning a new system. We saw Daboll getting after him after that pick. That's part of the process. This game doesn't tell us much. He looked like he's looked the first three years. Kid makes plays and makes mistakes too. Let's see how the season plays out. he did something he never has done, He took the team down the field with the 2 minute offense and scored. A step forwarded.
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Post by nyg2 on Sept 11, 2022 21:11:02 GMT -5
They displayed QB rating. You used the acronym QBR, which is associated with how ESPN evaluates QB. What does QBR stand for? If not QB rating Why didn't they use QBR on the chyron instead of writing it out? The acronym is associated with how ESPN evaluates QB.
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Post by TEM on Sept 11, 2022 21:12:58 GMT -5
What does QBR stand for? If not QB rating Why didn't they use QBR on the chyron instead of writing it out? The acronym is associated with how ESPN evaluates QB. What does QBR stand for? Quite Big rating? Quilt Blanket Rating? If it is not Quarterback Rating . What is it.
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Post by nyg2 on Sept 11, 2022 21:15:38 GMT -5
Why didn't they use QBR on the chyron instead of writing it out? The acronym is associated with how ESPN evaluates QB. What does QBR stand for? This isn’t a semantics argument. I’m telling you the acronym is associated with how ESPN evaluates a QB.
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Post by Miked1958 on Sept 11, 2022 21:19:52 GMT -5
Yes some of the same questionable decisions as past few years. But he did lead the team to victory over a team that was 12-5 last year and a playoff team
D held them too 20 points and Henry to 83 yards without their 2 best Edge Rushers.
Overcame 2 turnovers one after getting a big break on muffed punt setting them up on Tenn 11. The pick was terrible and that usually would of been so demoralizing they would of been done but found a way to stop tenn get ball back and go on a 12 play 73 yard drive for TD to TE. Then did something the old regimes would NEVER DO. Went for the win on 2pt conversion. The old safe close to the vest giants would of settled for the tie with 1:06 left.
All in all sure theres things to complain about but why bother? That's a huge win!! They lose that game 10 out of 10 times over past 4/5 years. First time over .500 at 1-0 since 2016
Let's be happy!!
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Post by TEM on Sept 11, 2022 21:28:30 GMT -5
This isn’t a semantics argument. I’m telling you the acronym is associated with how ESPN evaluates a QB. No It is not. You said I was making up ratings. I proved it was not true. QBR stands for Quarterback rating, ESPN does not own that. Even if you think they do. The NFL has been rating a QBs passing game long before ESPN existed.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 11, 2022 21:37:19 GMT -5
I don't know how to "rate" DJ today. We won the game. He was under a lot of duress. He had a terrible pick at a bad time....but we won the game and we certainly didn't win despite him. He made some plays. He's also still learning a new system. We saw Daboll getting after him after that pick. That's part of the process. This game doesn't tell us much. He looked like he's looked the first three years. Kid makes plays and makes mistakes too. Let's see how the season plays out. All true and I did love Daboll chewing him out after the pick. That said he did move the sticks at critical moments, sometimes under real pressure. It's not like we won on a defense pick 6. He and Barkley led us to the win. We'll see.
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Post by jaymas on Sept 11, 2022 21:38:56 GMT -5
Wait, the same people who rip on PFF regularly, are all into ESPN'S QBR all of a sudden?
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Post by nyg2 on Sept 11, 2022 21:38:59 GMT -5
This isn’t a semantics argument. I’m telling you the acronym is associated with how ESPN evaluates a QB. No It is not. You said I was making up ratings. I proved it was not true. QBR stands for Quarterback rating, ESPN does not own that. Even if you think they do. The NFL has been rating a QBs passing game long before ESPN existed. You did make it up though. Lol. You said he had “118 QBR”. Which was neither his passer rating nor his QBR.
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Post by allnygin on Sept 11, 2022 21:40:45 GMT -5
Wait, the same people who rip on PFF regularly, are all into ESPN'S QBR all of a sudden? as long as its in line with their opinion haha
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Post by TEM on Sept 11, 2022 21:43:00 GMT -5
No It is not. You said I was making up ratings. I proved it was not true. QBR stands for Quarterback rating, ESPN does not own that. Even if you think they do. The NFL has been rating a QBs passing game long before ESPN existed. You did make it up though. Lol. You said he had “118 QBR”. Which was neither his passer rating nor his QBR. I corrected myself and said 115.9 but keep saying I made it up. I guess you omitted that because it makes you look bad. It makes my point even stronger. I guess you think know better than the Giants on what should be stated. I know with 100% accuracy. You do not. Again What does QBR stand for? Apparently, you do not know. Only an idiot could not answer that simple question. I know what it stands for?
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Post by nyg2 on Sept 11, 2022 21:46:40 GMT -5
Wait, the same people who rip on PFF regularly, are all into ESPN'S QBR all of a sudden? Who’s into QBR? He cited something that was factually inaccurate and I corrected him, but keep reaching though.
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Post by giantsalmon on Sept 11, 2022 21:47:12 GMT -5
I won't diminish it or make some condescending comment. I will take it for what it is. He led the offense down the field with 2 minuets on the clock and scored. Something he has never done. First game of his career.. Since his first season he has lost the exuberance and smiles on the field. I'm in his corner, he has the goods but with all the turmoil he has had to endure he's definitely playing tight. I want him to succeed , lets get on with winning. Daboll is a brilliant coach, I watched him chew out Josh Allen numerous times his first 3 years. Now they love each other. DJ in actuality is like a 2nd yr guy with all the change he has been through. (As I write this Brady just threw a bad pick) I'm counting on Dabolls mastery of the human condition to loosen DJ up. Man is he wound tight.
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Post by SG88 on Sept 11, 2022 21:53:19 GMT -5
Wait, the same people who rip on PFF regularly, are all into ESPN'S QBR all of a sudden? You know how it is. Analytical stats are only good when they fit a narrative. I do think that Total QBR is more useful than traditional QBR though, mainly because Total QBR doesn't really care about padded stats at the end of blowouts. Traditional QBR actually rewards you for them.
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Post by Martin on Sept 11, 2022 22:01:23 GMT -5
First game of his career.. Since his first season he has lost the exuberance and smiles on the field. I'm in his corner, he has the goods but with all the turmoil he has had to endure he's definitely playing tight. I want him to succeed , lets get on with winning. Daboll is a brilliant coach, I watched him chew out Josh Allen numerous times his first 3 years. Now they love each other. DJ in actuality is like a 2nd yr guy with all the change he has been through. (As I write this Brady just threw a bad pick) I'm counting on Dabolls mastery of the human condition to loosen DJ up. Man is he wound tight. Yep. Maybe Daboll brings out a carefree Jones. For now its a win with many games to evaluate. I will say that Daboll has balls and hopefully Jones takes on the coaches mind set.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 11, 2022 22:04:47 GMT -5
Since his first season he has lost the exuberance and smiles on the field. I'm in his corner, he has the goods but with all the turmoil he has had to endure he's definitely playing tight. I want him to succeed , lets get on with winning. Daboll is a brilliant coach, I watched him chew out Josh Allen numerous times his first 3 years. Now they love each other. DJ in actuality is like a 2nd yr guy with all the change he has been through. (As I write this Brady just threw a bad pick) I'm counting on Dabolls mastery of the human condition to loosen DJ up. Man is he wound tight. Yep. Maybe Daboll brings out a carefree Jones. For now its a win with many games to evaluate. I will say that Daboll has balls and hopefully Jones takes on the coaches mind set. he kind of did in respect to he wasn't having the best game in the first half and just kept grinding. Even after the pick in the second half. he showed toughness for sure. Daboll will be good for Jones for sure.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 11, 2022 22:09:29 GMT -5
1 game out of hopefully 17 tests to evaluate whether he will be back Did enough to win Looked like he had command of the offense in calling plays at the line Was accurate. Unfortunately one dumbass decision puts a cloud on his day 16 more tests Exactly under heavy pressure he had + completion % / + 2 TDs/ + handling the game at LOS. - big negative RZ pick, I really think him being held accountable by Daboll will help his game, Daboll handled Allen the same gotta remember Allen had questions going int his 3rd year and he was raised right in a stable environment.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 11, 2022 22:12:43 GMT -5
That's his passer rating, which goes up to 158.3. Now QBR which you referenced only goes up to 100: A QBR of 100 means he had a perfect game. A QBR of 75 means he had a pro bowl caliber game. A QBR of 50 means he had an average game. Daniel Jones QBR is 25.8. Currently 24th best in the league. QBR - " weighted based on its "difficulty", the context of the game, and the strength of the opposing defense." Sounds like there is a lot of room to manipulate QBR however ESPN wants. I wonder if ESPN manipulates those numbers it to promote players they want. Just Fields had a 47% competion rate and a terrible INT today and his QBR was in the 40s. The classic QB rating is completely based on numbers - you can't manipulate it. Titans are one of the stingiest Ds in the league wouldn't that work in DJs favor unless it's just Bull Shit.
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Post by Martin on Sept 11, 2022 22:17:09 GMT -5
Yep. Maybe Daboll brings out a carefree Jones. For now its a win with many games to evaluate. I will say that Daboll has balls and hopefully Jones takes on the coaches mind set. he kind of did in respect to he wasn't having the best game in the first half and just kept grinding. Even after the pick in the second half. he showed toughness for sure. Daboll will be good for Jones for sure. A winner finds a way to win even when bad happens. Jones hung in there for sure. I am positive that Daboll will know by the end of this season if Jones is long term. I think we are in good hands with B Dabs and Schoen. One thing noticeable, the oline had difficulty pass blocking in general but running blocking was very solid. Not sure what you think?
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Post by GameTime on Sept 11, 2022 22:22:38 GMT -5
he kind of did in respect to he wasn't having the best game in the first half and just kept grinding. Even after the pick in the second half. he showed toughness for sure. Daboll will be good for Jones for sure. A winner finds a way to win even when bad happens. Jones hung in there for sure. I am positive that Daboll will know by the end of this season if Jones is long term. I think we are in good hands with B Dabs and Schoen. One thing noticeable, the oline had difficulty pass blocking in general but running blocking was very solid. Not sure what you think? No doubt. Simmons and others abused the interior of the OL. One game down an one win. Get a get a little better this week!!!
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