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Sept 12, 2022 5:39:13 GMT -5
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Post by hadenough on Sept 12, 2022 5:39:13 GMT -5
I’m guessing this guy is either hurt or coaches just don’t like him. Cause he never plays.
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Post by piddy283 on Sept 12, 2022 5:42:34 GMT -5
He didn’t look hurt the couple times he got the ball. I was surprised Toney wasn’t involved more.
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Sept 12, 2022 5:42:46 GMT -5
Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 12, 2022 5:42:46 GMT -5
I’m guessing this guy is either hurt or coaches just don’t like him. Cause he never plays. When he had his opportunities he made a positive impact think he is still learning missed some camp with his knee he will have a bigger role as he learns to much talent to leave off the field.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 12, 2022 5:44:26 GMT -5
He didn’t look hurt the couple times he got the ball. I was surprised Toney wasn’t involved more. Think the time missed hurt him this offense is timing and to degree DJ reading the body language of the WRs knowing where and what they are gonna do.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 12, 2022 5:46:02 GMT -5
Daboll said it just didnt go Toney's way.
But who really knows how they feel about him
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Post by hadenough on Sept 12, 2022 5:54:43 GMT -5
I feel like they need him. He’s the biggest playmaker out of the WR. I’ve got a feeling they may only play him if they need to.
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Post by cdngfan on Sept 12, 2022 5:57:51 GMT -5
IMHO, fans need to start to seeing the Toney pattern. It’s early but seems similar over multiple coaching regimes. Doesn’t look like there’s a lot of trust. Last year or this year.
I don’t think anyone questions his talent, but something is stopping him from being more involved in the offence, regardless of the coaching staff.
Last year you could say that coaching ineptitude was why he wasn’t more involved. You can’t say that this year.
I hope it changes. But common sense tells me this is a Toney issue. He’s the only one that can solve it.
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Post by hadenough on Sept 12, 2022 6:07:56 GMT -5
IMHO, fans need to start to seeing the Toney pattern. It’s early but seems similar over multiple coaching regimes. Doesn’t look like there’s a lot of trust. Last year or this year. I don’t think anyone questions his talent, but something is stopping him from being more involved in the offence, regardless of the coaching staff. Last year you could say that coaching ineptitude was why he wasn’t more involved. You can’t say that this year. I hope it changes. But common sense tells me this is a Toney issue. He’s the only one that can solve it. Yeah…even the regime that drafted him tried not to play him. I think this is Toneys last year here.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Sept 12, 2022 6:11:25 GMT -5
now watch him go to Mia with the gadgets they already have and balls out smdh.
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Post by cdngfan on Sept 12, 2022 6:14:01 GMT -5
IMHO, fans need to start to seeing the Toney pattern. It’s early but seems similar over multiple coaching regimes. Doesn’t look like there’s a lot of trust. Last year or this year. I don’t think anyone questions his talent, but something is stopping him from being more involved in the offence, regardless of the coaching staff. Last year you could say that coaching ineptitude was why he wasn’t more involved. You can’t say that this year. I hope it changes. But common sense tells me this is a Toney issue. He’s the only one that can solve it. Yeah…even the regime that drafted him tried not to play him. I think this is Toneys last year here. +1 Unless you’re willfully blind, there’s enough media stories/suggestions about effort, prep, etc. even when Schoen was asked about Toney he made some passing comment about knowing the playbook. It’s so much better for us if he turns it around, but there’s a long list of incredibly gifted athletes that just don’t have the drive to succeed at this level. At this moment, thats who Toney appears to be.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 12, 2022 6:26:37 GMT -5
see where the rest of the 16 games go.
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Post by solomonphoenix56 on Sept 12, 2022 6:31:48 GMT -5
Is it possible that he's not picking up the playbook or really understanding concepts? He's healthy and he has elite athleticism.
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Post by nygiantsfan1029 on Sept 12, 2022 6:33:23 GMT -5
see where the rest of the 16 games go. +1. He seemed good when he had the ball in his hands so I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for at least a little while.
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Sept 12, 2022 6:33:42 GMT -5
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Post by solomonphoenix56 on Sept 12, 2022 6:33:42 GMT -5
Yeah…even the regime that drafted him tried not to play him. I think this is Toneys last year here. +1 Unless you’re willfully blind, there’s enough media stories/suggestions about effort, prep, etc. even when Schoen was asked about Toney he made some passing comment about knowing the playbook. It’s so much better for us if he turns it around, but there’s a long list of incredibly gifted athletes that just don’t have the drive to succeed at this level. At this moment, thats who Toney appears to be. I just read this after I made my post. I didn't know Schoen made a comment about that. Interesting.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 12, 2022 6:36:39 GMT -5
IMHO, fans need to start to seeing the Toney pattern. It’s early but seems similar over multiple coaching regimes. Doesn’t look like there’s a lot of trust. Last year or this year. I don’t think anyone questions his talent, but something is stopping him from being more involved in the offence, regardless of the coaching staff. Last year you could say that coaching ineptitude was why he wasn’t more involved. You can’t say that this year. I hope it changes. But common sense tells me this is a Toney issue. He’s the only one that can solve it. I'm thinking it's a health issue that if he doesn't practice like about half of camp and 0 preseason he will not be full time till he learns the playbook completely.
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Post by cdngfan on Sept 12, 2022 6:37:20 GMT -5
+1 Unless you’re willfully blind, there’s enough media stories/suggestions about effort, prep, etc. even when Schoen was asked about Toney he made some passing comment about knowing the playbook. It’s so much better for us if he turns it around, but there’s a long list of incredibly gifted athletes that just don’t have the drive to succeed at this level. At this moment, thats who Toney appears to be. I just read this after I made my post. I didn't know Schoen made a comment about that. Interesting. Listen to that joint presser he did with Daboll just before week 1. The comment felt so out of place for me. I noticed it right away. It’s right near the end of the interview. I’m surprised no media person has picked up on that comment. It’s making a lot more sense now and would explain a lot, about last year and this year.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 12, 2022 6:39:39 GMT -5
see where the rest of the 16 games go. He was productive with the snaps he got, taking broken play and turning it into 5 yards he's gonna get on the field but he needs to know the playbook with Robinson out they really are gonna need him.
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Sept 12, 2022 6:42:19 GMT -5
Post by jimmieray on Sept 12, 2022 6:42:19 GMT -5
IMHO, fans need to start to seeing the Toney pattern. It’s early but seems similar over multiple coaching regimes. Doesn’t look like there’s a lot of trust. Last year or this year. I don’t think anyone questions his talent, but something is stopping him from being more involved in the offence, regardless of the coaching staff. Last year you could say that coaching ineptitude was why he wasn’t more involved. You can’t say that this year. I hope it changes. But common sense tells me this is a Toney issue. He’s the only one that can solve it. There has been a pattern, and trust in his knowledge of the playbook does appear to be part of it. But then why did they run a play with him trying to pass, first game with the new offense after he again missed critical reps in the preseason?
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Post by GameTime on Sept 12, 2022 6:42:47 GMT -5
see where the rest of the 16 games go. He was productive with the snaps he got, taking broken play and turning it into 5 yards he's gonna get on the field but he needs to know the playbook with Robinson out they really are gonna need him. he is electric and certainly hope he gets involved and is a factor week in and week out
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 12, 2022 6:43:42 GMT -5
I just read this after I made my post. I didn't know Schoen made a comment about that. Interesting. Listen to that joint presser he did with Daboll just before week 1. The comment felt so out of place for me. I noticed it right away. It’s making a lot more sense now and would explain a lot, about last year and this year. Last year he missed a ton of time compared to this year he needs to get on the field full time in the offseason. I will wait and see being he had a knee procedure this offseason and he was full go but the knee flared up and he was shut down. But his role needs to expand or they need to find a trade partner after the season in the AFC preferably.
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Toney…
Sept 12, 2022 6:46:34 GMT -5
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Post by miggs on Sept 12, 2022 6:46:34 GMT -5
Lots of Giants weapons on the field. Toney is just one of them. Hard to be primary receiver when you're hurt a lot. Just glad he's with the Giants. He'll do fine.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2022 6:50:22 GMT -5
Really glad he didn't try and throw that ball taking off and running was the best choice Other than that I didn't see him those other 6 plays he was in for..
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Sept 12, 2022 6:53:07 GMT -5
Post by GameTime on Sept 12, 2022 6:53:07 GMT -5
Really glad he didn't try and throw that ball taking off and running was the best choice Other than that I didn't see him those other 6 plays he was in for.. I was so focused on Jones and watching his play that I was oblivious to the rest of the line up most of the time until the ball was caught.
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Post by cdngfan on Sept 12, 2022 6:57:53 GMT -5
IMHO, fans need to start to seeing the Toney pattern. It’s early but seems similar over multiple coaching regimes. Doesn’t look like there’s a lot of trust. Last year or this year. I don’t think anyone questions his talent, but something is stopping him from being more involved in the offence, regardless of the coaching staff. Last year you could say that coaching ineptitude was why he wasn’t more involved. You can’t say that this year. I hope it changes. But common sense tells me this is a Toney issue. He’s the only one that can solve it. There has been a pattern, and trust in his knowledge of the playbook does appear to be part of it. But then why did they run a play with him trying to pass, first game with the new offense after he again missed critical reps in the preseason? One of the things Giants receivers talked about in the offseason was that this system gives WRs a lot of flexibility with option routes. Which would explain why the only two touches he got were a sweep and a play where he was throwing a pass, probably something he practiced last year (and he was smart with the ball too, deserves props for that). I’m rooting for him. But they’re not mishandling him at this point. There’s been plenty of smoke in the media that can’t be all unwarranted speculation about how he handles himself off the field. If fans want an answer as to why he’s not used more, the evidence is all there. Whether it’s because of injury or lack of preparation doesn’t really matter as much. He’s not trusted or ready, for whatever reason. .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2022 6:58:33 GMT -5
Really glad he didn't try and throw that ball taking off and running was the best choice Other than that I didn't see him those other 6 plays he was in for.. I was so focused on Jones and watching his play that I was oblivious to the rest of the line up most of the time until the ball was caught. I only know he played 7 snaps from the radio this morning listening on the ride in..
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Sept 12, 2022 8:49:13 GMT -5
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 12, 2022 8:49:13 GMT -5
Dabol in his presser said they have receiver "packages" for different plays and they just didn't run as many that he was part of. He got 7 snaps.
My question would be why a first round pick wouldn't be involved in more packages. Maybe he doesn't block well?
I guess we'll see going forward. Seems strange you wouldn't develop more plays to get the ball in the hands of such a dynamic athlete.
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Sept 12, 2022 8:52:11 GMT -5
Post by jb456 on Sept 12, 2022 8:52:11 GMT -5
I heard that he only had about 10 snaps in over 50 total offensive snaps. When he comes in he makes plays but this isn't backyard football and the coaches expect the players to know the playbook and their assignments.
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Sept 12, 2022 8:55:36 GMT -5
Post by jb456 on Sept 12, 2022 8:55:36 GMT -5
Dabol in his presser said they have receiver "packages" for different plays and they just didn't run as many that he was part of. He got 7 snaps. My question would be why a first round pick wouldn't be involved in more packages. Maybe he doesn't block well? I guess we'll see going forward. Seems strange you wouldn't develop more plays to get the ball in the hands of such a dynamic athlete. I can only think of 3 possible answers to your question. 1) He isn't healthy - this is unlikely, he looked good out there when he was in. 2) He doesn't know the playbook. 3) He doesn't care (Falls asleep in team meetings, late to practices, talks back to coaches, etc.) They want to get this guy involved since he is one of their only weapons so it's unfortunate.
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Post by DJones19 on Sept 12, 2022 8:58:14 GMT -5
Daboll and Schoen says they like guys who are smart, tough, and dependable.
Which of those boxes does Toney check?
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Sept 12, 2022 8:59:37 GMT -5
Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 12, 2022 8:59:37 GMT -5
How can it be about health when we have him doing running plays? He only played 1 down in the first 3 series. Something isn't right.
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