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Post by DJones19 on Sept 12, 2022 9:00:58 GMT -5
Makes me wonder about those trade rumors again.
Maybe they are trying to keep him healthy for a deal.
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Post by snyder55 on Sept 12, 2022 9:28:58 GMT -5
I get the feeling that Toney's heart is not in the game and the coaches know it, I'm probably wrong about this but thats the impression I have..The other issue is if he doesn't know his playbook, thats a scary thought and suggests another issue...
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 12, 2022 9:35:37 GMT -5
Dabol in his presser said they have receiver "packages" for different plays and they just didn't run as many that he was part of. He got 7 snaps. My question would be why a first round pick wouldn't be involved in more packages. Maybe he doesn't block well? I guess we'll see going forward. Seems strange you wouldn't develop more plays to get the ball in the hands of such a dynamic athlete. I can only think of 3 possible answers to your question. 1) He isn't healthy - this is unlikely, he looked good out there when he was in. 2) He doesn't know the playbook. 3) He doesn't care (Falls asleep in team meetings, late to practices, talks back to coaches, etc.) They want to get this guy involved since he is one of their only weapons so it's unfortunate. Dabol said he is totally healthy, zero issues. I think it's more they decided to design the offense around SB. They are both dynamic athletes, but SB is obviously more experienced and better all around than toney. I doubt toney could have totally changed the outcome of that game the way SB did. I also expect to see a lot more of toney going forward. I really don't think #2 or 3 are issues.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2022 9:38:17 GMT -5
Daboll said it just didnt go Toney's way. But who really knows how they feel about him This sounds like trade all over it.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 12, 2022 9:53:34 GMT -5
I can only think of 3 possible answers to your question. 1) He isn't healthy - this is unlikely, he looked good out there when he was in. 2) He doesn't know the playbook. 3) He doesn't care (Falls asleep in team meetings, late to practices, talks back to coaches, etc.) They want to get this guy involved since he is one of their only weapons so it's unfortunate. Dabol said he is totally healthy, zero issues. I think it's more they decided to design the offense around SB. They are both dynamic athletes, but SB is obviously more experienced and better all around than toney. I doubt toney could have totally changed the outcome of that game the way SB did. I also expect to see a lot more of toney going forward. I really don't think #2 or 3 are issues. This
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Post by scoostraw on Sept 12, 2022 9:58:07 GMT -5
16 games to go guys.
I think we will see plenty of everybody.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 12, 2022 10:08:06 GMT -5
Lets be honest. Coming in to this season our WR group was rated one of the worst in the NFL. If a guy with KT's talent does not get on the field something is up.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Sept 12, 2022 10:09:35 GMT -5
Well one of the greatest coaches ever said the job of a coach is to let the talent flourish. There isn’t a more talented receiver on the roster. They need to figure it out.
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Post by Martin on Sept 12, 2022 10:27:37 GMT -5
Dabol in his presser said they have receiver "packages" for different plays and they just didn't run as many that he was part of. He got 7 snaps. My question would be why a first round pick wouldn't be involved in more packages. Maybe he doesn't block well? I guess we'll see going forward. Seems strange you wouldn't develop more plays to get the ball in the hands of such a dynamic athlete.Which tells you something is up. Eventually we as fans will find out. What ever it is its not good. When your offense has been weak and your not using a player that could help big time there is a big flag. I don't think its injury but I could be wrong.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 12, 2022 10:32:08 GMT -5
Well one of the greatest coaches ever said the job of a coach is to let the talent flourish. There isn’t a more talented receiver on the roster. They need to figure it out. I'm sure our coaches and whole team want him to flourish. There has to be a legit reason why he is barely playing.
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 12, 2022 10:45:53 GMT -5
Dabol in his presser said they have receiver "packages" for different plays and they just didn't run as many that he was part of. He got 7 snaps. My question would be why a first round pick wouldn't be involved in more packages. Maybe he doesn't block well? I guess we'll see going forward. Seems strange you wouldn't develop more plays to get the ball in the hands of such a dynamic athlete.Which tells you something is up. Eventually we as fans will find out. What ever it is its not good. When your offense has been weak and your not using a player that could help big time there is a big flag. I don't think its injury but I could be wrong. It tells me this was the first game and the offense will evolve. The plan for Sunday obviously was heavy on SB. And it worked. I see there are a lot of peeps here wanting to think the worst about him based on no evidence from this year. I'm going to give it some time before I jump to conclusions.
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Post by jb456 on Sept 12, 2022 10:53:36 GMT -5
I can only think of 3 possible answers to your question. 1) He isn't healthy - this is unlikely, he looked good out there when he was in. 2) He doesn't know the playbook. 3) He doesn't care (Falls asleep in team meetings, late to practices, talks back to coaches, etc.) They want to get this guy involved since he is one of their only weapons so it's unfortunate. Dabol said he is totally healthy, zero issues. I think it's more they decided to design the offense around SB. They are both dynamic athletes, but SB is obviously more experienced and better all around than toney. I doubt toney could have totally changed the outcome of that game the way SB did. I also expect to see a lot more of toney going forward. I really don't think #2 or 3 are issues. I get what you are saying but both Barley and Toney are playmakers. It shouldn't be an issue having them both on the field at the same time. As for your conclusion ( I really don't think #2 or 3 are issues.), I hope you are right. If Toney is noticeably absent the next few games (A handful of snaps in over 50 and healthy), I think it's logical to believe that #2 and 3 could be the problem. Hell, the org has already talked smack about Toney being absent during voluntary OTA's.
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Post by PennState1 on Sept 12, 2022 11:03:01 GMT -5
I’m guessing it’s an attitude/discipline thing. Kid has to get his head straight.
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Post by cdngfan on Sept 12, 2022 11:07:13 GMT -5
Which tells you something is up. Eventually we as fans will find out. What ever it is its not good. When your offense has been weak and your not using a player that could help big time there is a big flag. I don't think its injury but I could be wrong. It tells me this was the first game and the offense will evolve. The plan for Sunday obviously was heavy on SB. And it worked. I see there are a lot of peeps here wanting to think the worst about him based on no evidence from this year. I'm going to give it some time before I jump to conclusions. That’s fair. I’m one of those nay-sayers. I want to be wrong. Badly. Nothing would make me happier than to see Toney get 11 targets next week and tear up the Panthers. I’m just looking for patterns, and I’m seeing one. I saw one last year but i chaulked it up to bad coaching. It’s too early to say “this is definitely what’s going on”, but a seemingly available Toney doesn’t get a lot of looks under new coaches this year either. Maybe that changes, but if it doesn’t the howls of “under-utilized” won’t mean much to me. I don’t think they’ll air their dirty laundry. Not this coaching staff or FO. It’ll just be some other public reasoning. Daboll wasn’t talking into his headset when he was discussing the INT with Jones. I like that this group keeps this stuff in house. I prefer not knowing compared to every reporter asking every Giant what they thought of Daboll’s comments on Toney.
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 12, 2022 11:08:52 GMT -5
Well one of the greatest coaches ever said the job of a coach is to let the talent flourish. There isn’t a more talented receiver on the roster. They need to figure it out. yeah but he talking about Taylor.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 12, 2022 11:08:56 GMT -5
Dabol in his presser said they have receiver "packages" for different plays and they just didn't run as many that he was part of. He got 7 snaps. My question would be why a first round pick wouldn't be involved in more packages. Maybe he doesn't block well? I guess we'll see going forward. Seems strange you wouldn't develop more plays to get the ball in the hands of such a dynamic athlete.Which tells you something is up. Eventually we as fans will find out. What ever it is its not good. When your offense has been weak and your not using a player that could help big time there is a big flag. I don't think its injury but I could be wrong. I do not even know of a injury that he can be used as a running back but not as a WR. That leads me to believe that the coaches do not have confidence in him regarding running the plays.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Sept 12, 2022 12:10:20 GMT -5
Well one of the greatest coaches ever said the job of a coach is to let the talent flourish. There isn’t a more talented receiver on the roster. They need to figure it out. yeah but he talking about Taylor. And I’m talking about the best receiver on the team.
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 12, 2022 12:23:01 GMT -5
Daboll said it just didnt go Toney's way. But who really knows how they feel about him This sounds like trade all over it. If we could trade for some ol help, I would be all for it.
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 12, 2022 12:23:47 GMT -5
yeah but he talking about Taylor. And I’m talking about the best receiver on the team. he needs to practice bud. What did he have? 7 snaps yesterday? The guy doesn’t practice.
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Post by Roosevelt on Sept 12, 2022 12:32:00 GMT -5
Dabol in his presser said they have receiver "packages" for different plays and they just didn't run as many that he was part of. He got 7 snaps. My question would be why a first round pick wouldn't be involved in more packages. Maybe he doesn't block well? I guess we'll see going forward. Seems strange you wouldn't develop more plays to get the ball in the hands of such a dynamic athlete.
Either the coaches don't trust him or they didn't like the match-ups against the Titans.
I'd like to see the tape on that option play because it looked like he had Shep and someone else free. But he was under pressure for sure, and he was able to protect the ball and not lose yardage.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Sept 12, 2022 13:02:29 GMT -5
And I’m talking about the best receiver on the team. he needs to practice bud. What did he have? 7 snaps yesterday? The guy doesn’t practice. Allen Iverson
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Post by Martin on Sept 12, 2022 13:03:57 GMT -5
Which tells you something is up. Eventually we as fans will find out. What ever it is its not good. When your offense has been weak and your not using a player that could help big time there is a big flag. I don't think its injury but I could be wrong. It tells me this was the first game and the offense will evolve. The plan for Sunday obviously was heavy on SB. And it worked. I see there are a lot of peeps here wanting to think the worst about him based on no evidence from this year. I'm going to give it some time before I jump to conclusions. Your probably right and one game is clearly not enough to make assumptions. Something to watch though.
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Post by TEM on Sept 12, 2022 13:05:58 GMT -5
Makes me wonder about those trade rumors again. Maybe they are trying to keep him healthy for a deal. He is untradable this year. His dead cap hit would be 11.2 million.
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 12, 2022 13:45:26 GMT -5
he needs to practice bud. What did he have? 7 snaps yesterday? The guy doesn’t practice. Allen Iverson Put Jung Joka in b/c Allen Iverson from basketball played without practicing. Smh 🤦♂️ He got 7 snaps. Hardly a mystery why.
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Post by DJones19 on Sept 12, 2022 13:48:53 GMT -5
according to overthecap - cap hit is only about 1 million if he is traded...actually on 2nd look it looks like it would free up 1.2 million -not sure how accurate that is: overthecap.com/player/kadarius-toney/9484but with Wandale out, I can see Toney getting more involved going forward. 2nd straight season where coaches barely play him early in the season sets off an alarm for me.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 12, 2022 14:00:25 GMT -5
according to overthecap - cap hit is only about 1 million if he is traded...actually on 2nd look it looks like it would free up 1.2 million -not sure how accurate that is: overthecap.com/player/kadarius-toney/9484but with Wandale out, I can see Toney getting more involved going forward. 2nd straight season where coaches barely play him early in the season sets off an alarm for me. I almost laugh reading this thread. This team has no real starting wide receivers in their prime. Just talking about trading KT shows there has to be a problem. James was let go by SF. Golladay caught 2 balls yesterday and that was a nice surprise. Shep is getting older and coming off a big injury. Wandale is an undersized rookie. KT should be our go to guy in this group yet he does not play.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 12, 2022 14:47:35 GMT -5
It really may be about knowing the playbook. For example our last 2 offensive plays of the day both were very detailed misdirection plays. We need guys that know what is going on to make them work.
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Post by cdngfan on Sept 12, 2022 15:07:50 GMT -5
It really may be about knowing the playbook. For example our last 2 offensive plays of the day both were very detailed misdirection plays. We need guys that know what is going on to make them work. The two plays he got touches are the kind you don’t we’d to know the playbook that we’ll to execute. I’m speculating like everyone else, but this coaching staff seems smart AF. If he’s not a bigger part of the offence in the next 3-5 weeks I hope fans start reading between the lines. Because, since this coaching staff is as smart AF, they’re not going to say anything publicly unless Toney is stupid enough to say something publicly.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 12, 2022 15:11:49 GMT -5
It really may be about knowing the playbook. For example our last 2 offensive plays of the day both were very detailed misdirection plays. We need guys that know what is going on to make them work. The two plays he got touches are the kind you don’t we’d to know the playbook that we’ll to execute. I’m speculating like everyone else, but this coaching staff seems smart AF. If he’s not a bigger part of the offence in the next 3-5 weeks I hope fans start reading between the lines. Because, since this coaching staff is as smart AF, they’re not going to say anything publicly unless Toney is stupid enough to say something publicly. I agree. Toneys runs were based mostly on individual talent. If Toney was in on our late TD or 2 point conversion would he know those plays? Maybe but no way to know for sure. They were both based on multiple motions and reads. The TD was done perfectly. The 2 point conversion did not really fool Ten. Ten had 2-3 guys in good position. Barkley beat them with momentum and will to make the play.
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Post by cdngfan on Sept 12, 2022 15:16:18 GMT -5
The two plays he got touches are the kind you don’t we’d to know the playbook that we’ll to execute. I’m speculating like everyone else, but this coaching staff seems smart AF. If he’s not a bigger part of the offence in the next 3-5 weeks I hope fans start reading between the lines. Because, since this coaching staff is as smart AF, they’re not going to say anything publicly unless Toney is stupid enough to say something publicly. I agree. Toneys runs were based mostly on individual talent. If Toney was in on our late TD or 2 point conversion would he know those plays? They were both based on multiple motions and reads. The TD was done perfectly. The 2 point conversion did not really fool Ten. Ten had 2-3 guys in good position. Barkley beat them with momentum and will to make the play. Good points. I’m not even really ragging on the kid. His physical gifts are crazy. He showed up to camp looking like he’s in phenomenal shape. Maybe this iOS his weakness. He’s probably been used to being told “run over there and turn around, catch the ball, and then make everyone miss”. Pre reads, post reads, communicating with your QB silently, not giving your route away, alignment, hot routes. I consider myself above average intelligence and that seems like a lot. It doesn’t bother me if it takes him longer to learn. Just keep putting in the effort and earn it.
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