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Sept 12, 2022 15:25:46 GMT -5
Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 12, 2022 15:25:46 GMT -5
I think Daboll is making a point here those snaps will be earned I'm sure he's behind as he learns he will get fed more snaps and opportunities hopefully he reacts in a positive way.
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Post by snyder55 on Sept 12, 2022 15:26:21 GMT -5
could the team have some kind of a deal in the works for Toney and his lack of playing time is to preserve him...
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 12, 2022 15:28:39 GMT -5
I agree. Toneys runs were based mostly on individual talent. If Toney was in on our late TD or 2 point conversion would he know those plays? They were both based on multiple motions and reads. The TD was done perfectly. The 2 point conversion did not really fool Ten. Ten had 2-3 guys in good position. Barkley beat them with momentum and will to make the play. Good points. I’m not even really ragging on the kid. His physical gifts are crazy. He showed up to camp looking like he’s in phenomenal shape. Maybe this iOS his weakness. He’s probably been used to being told “run over there and turn around, catch the ball, and then make everyone miss”. Pre reads, post reads, communicating with your QB silently, not giving your route away, alignment, hot routes. I consider myself above average intelligence and that seems like a lot. It doesn’t bother me if it takes him longer to learn. Just keep putting in the effort and earn it. I can't bash the guy on speculation but if the speculation is true then I would be disappointed. I remember he was sent a playbook several months ago. Football can be a very complicated sport. |
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Post by cdngfan on Sept 12, 2022 15:31:53 GMT -5
Good points. I’m not even really ragging on the kid. His physical gifts are crazy. He showed up to camp looking like he’s in phenomenal shape. Maybe this iOS his weakness. He’s probably been used to being told “run over there and turn around, catch the ball, and then make everyone miss”. Pre reads, post reads, communicating with your QB silently, not giving your route away, alignment, hot routes. I consider myself above average intelligence and that seems like a lot. It doesn’t bother me if it takes him longer to learn. Just keep putting in the effort and earn it. I can't bash the guy on speculation but if the speculation is true then I would be disappointed. I remember he was sent a playbook several months ago. Football can be a very complicated sport. Hate to beat that dead horse, but this seems like something you learn about before you draft the kid. |
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Post by incredabollz on Sept 12, 2022 15:36:05 GMT -5
Toney’s in the doghouse.
But if Wan’dale can’t go next week, they’re gonna have to let the dog out.
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Post by BlueReign on Sept 12, 2022 15:36:24 GMT -5
In my opinion, he's the most talented WR on this roster. There's something going on that we don't know about with him because you don't limit a guy with KT's skillset to a few packages. You build special packages around a guy with his talent.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 12, 2022 15:37:26 GMT -5
I can't bash the guy on speculation but if the speculation is true then I would be disappointed. I remember he was sent a playbook several months ago. Football can be a very complicated sport. Hate to beat that dead horse, but this seems like something you learn about before you draft the kid. People say this is a prove it year for DJ and Bark. I would argue it is for KT as well. That says a lot because I have my doubts that KG (and maybe Shep/Slayton) will be here next year. Next season we could have a lot of new WR. I do not think the plan was to draft KT. I think they did it after Philly snuck in front of us. |
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Toney…
Sept 12, 2022 16:27:09 GMT -5
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Post by Kase1 on Sept 12, 2022 16:27:09 GMT -5
Makes me wonder about those trade rumors again. Maybe they are trying to keep him healthy for a deal. What trade rumors, this is the 1st I've heard about it |
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Sept 12, 2022 16:30:02 GMT -5
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Post by te88 on Sept 12, 2022 17:02:49 GMT -5
It seems obvious that he just isn’t ready to play. I’m sure he could be farther along than he is with more effort on his part but it is what it is. He will likely be involved more as more packages are developed and installed. Just seems to be coming along slower for whatever reason.
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Post by Kase1 on Sept 12, 2022 17:08:27 GMT -5
Giants listening to Kadarius Toney trade offers, trade unlikely is the headline You missed the 1st part of the paragraph It is noteworthy that, during the scouting combine in early March, Schoen was asked, point-blank, if he considered Toney to be a “tradeable piece’’ or if he viewed him as untouchable. I don’t think Kadarius is a tradable piece,’’ Schoen said at the time. “Again, if somebody calls, we’re gonna listen. But, he’s a good young player that our coaches really like. We’ve been in constant contact with him and we’re excited to see what he can do.’’ They're doing themselves a disservice by NOT listening to offers for ANY player. This is an article with no big developments |
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Post by Giggles on Sept 12, 2022 17:33:08 GMT -5
I suspect that the coaching staff is unhappy with his work ethic and doesn't trust him.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Sept 12, 2022 17:51:57 GMT -5
Put Jung Joka in b/c Allen Iverson from basketball played without practicing. Smh 🤦♂️ He got 7 snaps. Hardly a mystery why. It was a joke, I guess you’re not familiar with the AI practice rant. |
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Toney…
Sept 12, 2022 18:26:41 GMT -5
Post by Rangers13 on Sept 12, 2022 18:26:41 GMT -5
Put Jung Joka in b/c Allen Iverson from basketball played without practicing. Smh 🤦♂️ He got 7 snaps. Hardly a mystery why. It was a joke, I guess you’re not familiar with the AI practice rant. nope, sry |
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Toney…
Sept 12, 2022 18:33:38 GMT -5
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 12, 2022 18:33:38 GMT -5
Dabol said he is totally healthy, zero issues. I think it's more they decided to design the offense around SB. They are both dynamic athletes, but SB is obviously more experienced and better all around than toney. I doubt toney could have totally changed the outcome of that game the way SB did. I also expect to see a lot more of toney going forward. I really don't think #2 or 3 are issues. I get what you are saying but both Barley and Toney are playmakers. It shouldn't be an issue having them both on the field at the same time. As for your conclusion ( I really don't think #2 or 3 are issues.), I hope you are right. If Toney is noticeably absent the next few games (A handful of snaps in over 50 and healthy), I think it's logical to believe that #2 and 3 could be the problem. Hell, the org has already talked smack about Toney being absent during voluntary OTA's. Give me a link where the giants organization ever talked smack about him missing otas. They didn't and they can't. Because they are voluntary. |
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Post by straightrazorman on Sept 12, 2022 18:45:41 GMT -5
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 12, 2022 18:50:40 GMT -5
Put Jung Joka in b/c Allen Iverson from basketball played without practicing. Smh 🤦♂️ He got 7 snaps. Hardly a mystery why. It was a joke, I guess you’re not familiar with the AI practice rant. There are only two people in the world not aware of that rant. Rangers, and a rock. It was only plastered all over the sporting world when it happened. It’s right up there with Jim Mora “playoffs?” and Dennis Green “If you want to crown them, then crown their ass.” |
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Post by grayphoenix on Sept 12, 2022 19:39:45 GMT -5
Daboll went on to say that Toney's lack of playing time had nothing to do with his level of understanding re: the playbook or anything like that. He said there's a lot of competition at the WR position and the guys all have to earn their time.
Idk it just seems like there's been some level of weirdness swirling around KT ever since we drafted him. Wish we knew what was really going on with this kid because he clearly has an abundance of talent.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 12, 2022 20:49:41 GMT -5
Was just about to post this No conspiracy theory or hit takes |
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Post by lasion2 on Sept 12, 2022 22:46:21 GMT -5
Carolina gave up 217 yards rushing against the browns. The browns are a real good running team, but I think the panthers are gonna sell out to stop barkley. I’d think Toney will be heavily involved in the counter move.
Plenty of time until the deadline to see how it plays out.
I’ve been saying that I think Barkley would have a good statistical year, but not move the win needle too much. He won the game yesterday and provided a nice little “stop Barkley and make Jones beat you” narrative. I think that’s great and maybe what we all need to see.
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Toney…
Sept 13, 2022 8:12:08 GMT -5
Post by vinnie on Sept 13, 2022 8:12:08 GMT -5
Let me sum this thread up…Toney is who a few of us thought he was, a sand bagging loser POS. The excuses for him are literally a year and a half old.
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Toney…
Sept 13, 2022 8:15:06 GMT -5
Post by vinnie on Sept 13, 2022 8:15:06 GMT -5
And I’m talking about the best receiver on the team. he needs to practice bud. What did he have? 7 snaps yesterday? The guy doesn’t practice. We talkin’ about practice? |
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Post by vinnie on Sept 13, 2022 8:19:10 GMT -5
Put Jung Joka in b/c Allen Iverson from basketball played without practicing. Smh 🤦♂️ He got 7 snaps. Hardly a mystery why. It was a joke, I guess you’re not familiar with the AI practice rant. Damn, I didn’t read the entire thread before I made my practice joke. Now it’s already stale. |
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Toney…
Sept 13, 2022 9:18:34 GMT -5
Post by shocknaweny on Sept 13, 2022 9:18:34 GMT -5
I think it's pretty clear that this staff and even the previous regime just don't like the kids work ethic and attitude... another last draft blunder by Gettleman
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Post by snyder55 on Sept 13, 2022 9:27:54 GMT -5
Toney just needs one good game and all these rumors will go away and he will be forgiven for his attitude...
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Toney…
Sept 13, 2022 9:41:45 GMT -5
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Post by cdngfan on Sept 13, 2022 9:41:45 GMT -5
Toney just needs one good game and all these rumors will go away and he will be forgiven for his attitude... Absolutely. I’m a Toney doubter but I don’t want to be. I want him to tear things up for us. We’d be so much more effective if his talents are put to use. I’m just not going to chaulk up his lack of involvement as an oversight or coaching error. He could very well be the feature this week for a Carolina team that could lean on a good secondary and sell out to stop the run. Somebody in the passing game will have to force them out of that mindset, can’t think of someone better equipped to do it than him. But if he’s not getting targets by week 5, I’m not going to think the coaches are making a mistake. By week 5 Toney’s lack of involvement will be a deliberate choice. And so far this coaching staff deserves the benefit of the doubt for making that call. Right now? All speculation. |
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Toney…
Sept 13, 2022 9:52:56 GMT -5
Post by jb456 on Sept 13, 2022 9:52:56 GMT -5
Daboll went on to say that Toney's lack of playing time had nothing to do with his level of understanding re: the playbook or anything like that. He said there's a lot of competition at the WR position and the guys all have to earn their time.
Idk it just seems like there's been some level of weirdness swirling around KT ever since we drafted him. Wish we knew what was really going on with this kid because he clearly has an abundance of talent.
BS. There is something going on there. The dude is electric on the field and I'm sure they see that. |
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Post by snyder55 on Sept 13, 2022 9:54:19 GMT -5
Toney just needs one good game and all these rumors will go away and he will be forgiven for his attitude... Absolutely. I’m a Toney doubter but I don’t want to be. I want him to tear things up for us. We’d be so much more effective if his talents are put to use. I’m just not going to chaulk up his lack of involvement as an oversight or coaching error. He could very well be the feature this week for a Carolina team that could lean on a good secondary and sell out to stop the run. Somebody in the passing game will have to force them out of that mindset, can’t think of someone better equipped to do it than him. But if he’s not getting targets by week 5, I’m not going to think the coaches are making a mistake. By week 5 Toney’s lack of involvement will be a deliberate choice. And so far this coaching staff deserves the benefit of the doubt for making that call. Right now? All speculation. I have the feeling that there is a level of confidence missing in Toney's relationship with the coaches that still has to be earned.. |
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Post by DJones19 on Sept 13, 2022 9:54:26 GMT -5
I don't care what the coaches/Schoen say. They aren't going to trash a player in public - any negative comments would hurt his trade value.
It's like Gettleman saying he "didn't sign Beckham to trade him." At the time I said Gettleman was looking to trade Beckham and a few people thought I was out of my mind.
Schoen said in the Spring that he is listening to offers about Toney. If they liked Toney, Toney would have been on the field more on Sunday.
Shepard just came back from an injury that derailed Lawrence Taylor's career - with 2 weeks of practice...and they even used Shepard as an interior run blocker after missing the entire preseason.
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Toney…
Sept 13, 2022 9:54:44 GMT -5
Post by shocknaweny on Sept 13, 2022 9:54:44 GMT -5
could the team have some kind of a deal in the works for Toney and his lack of playing time is to preserve him... I like his talent but with this being an evaluation season if they can gamble and get a 2023 2nd for him from a team they believe won't be as good as said team believes they will be than pack his bags.... but I don't wanna him shipped for like a 4th or 5th rounder or anything like that |
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