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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 14, 2022 9:48:00 GMT -5
I would think the odds of Barkley getting an extension are less than the odds of him getting traded at the deadline this season.
Of course, that all depends on where the team stands as a W/L record towards the deadline.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 14, 2022 9:52:12 GMT -5
I wish QB would not be in this equation, that will likely throw the next draft off quite a bit - especially if our record winds up fairly decent. Yeah it would unless they find some gem in the 3rd like Wilson.. When I watched Florida the other night I thought Richardson looked like a Malik Willis type of prospect not a a finished product, has all the physical traits to be good. As the NCAA season goes it will be interesting to see if his mental processing and technique progress. A guy like him might last awhile depending on how many QBs emerge from this class.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 14, 2022 9:55:07 GMT -5
He's and RB with an injury history the league knows this not sure what his market will be, not saying it will be nothing but the days of RBs making over 13 mill might be over. All good points tho. I’m with you on this. It’s a long short opinion but I think the RB market is going to tank. Like I said to Kruunch, all it takes is one desperate GM and he’s gone. Would not want him anywhere near the NFC and definitely not the east. We saw the Barkley that Tomlin said he had 2 to 3 defenders around him at all times in the opener a couple years ago.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 14, 2022 9:55:54 GMT -5
Seems like teams can always pick up a quality RB on short deals recently, once they're contenders. I'm definitely with you on the receivers, can't believe any of them are still getting big contracts. Draft RBs on the 3rd day also is an option.. I think with all the talented WRs coming out of the draft these past years it will soon cause them to have to settle for less money in FA market in the future.. Yet this past year it hasn't.. Though smart teams are starting to realize this..look at how many top WRs were traded then replaced by low budget talent and premium picks.. (unlike Geritol Grampa Gettleman who trades Odell and neglects any legit replacement for 2 years thar caused the domino effect panic Golladay signing )
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 14, 2022 9:56:49 GMT -5
Yeah it would unless they find some gem in the 3rd like Wilson.. When I watched Florida the other night I thought Richardson looked like a Malik Willis type of prospect not a a finished product, has all the physical traits to be good. As the NCAA season goes it will be interesting to see if his mental processing and technique progress. A guy like him might last awhile depending on how many QBs emerge from this class. IMO, not even close to Malik Willis. Also much bigger. He and nearly a full season left to prove himself though. I was really taken back on him though after watching him vs Kentucky.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 14, 2022 10:01:29 GMT -5
I think the market for RBs falls apart. QBs have always been a premium but Mahomes and Burrows broke the mold. They’re overcoming crappy o lines and are still incredibly successful. It’s the Browns but I don’t think what they gave up for Watson was out of market. And he has warts. Real warts. decent QBs want all guaranteed money now. The top of the RB world is riddled with injuries. I think the market for RBs collapses because of their short shelf life and how much of your cap you need for a QB. Think RB is gonna be devalued quite a bit. Not sure with SQB how it will work out if he catches 80 or 90 balls and runs for a ton of yards to. Thats a different animal, Half WR had RB. As I said in my last post he makes more sense with a rookie QB. That's where I sit If we don't bring Jones back then it does make sense as we won't be allocating major cap space for a qb and the new qb will need as many major game changers around him to help him develop (unlike the last prehistoric shitbag that drafted a qb with no weapons and a bad O line ).. The dilemma is that there is a chance that many didn't see that we could play ourselves out of a spot to get one of the top qbs ....then what
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Post by cdngfan on Sept 14, 2022 10:07:12 GMT -5
Think RB is gonna be devalued quite a bit. Not sure with SQB how it will work out if he catches 80 or 90 balls and runs for a ton of yards to. Thats a different animal, Half WR had RB. As I said in my last post he makes more sense with a rookie QB. That's where I sit If we don't bring Jones back then it does make sense as we won't be allocating major cap space for a qb and the new qb will need as many major game changers around him to help him develop (unlike the last prehistoric shitbag that drafted a qb with no weapons and a bad O line ).. The dilemma is that there is a chance that many didn't see that we could play ourselves out of a spot to get one of the top qbs ....then what That is the essential part of the conversation going forward. Some fans will say it doesn’t matter where we pick, go get your QB. That’s just too simplistic. Where we pick just became a huge part of the 2023 narrative.
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 14, 2022 10:22:38 GMT -5
No player who has a history of injuries will take a three year deal. It only works for the team, not the player. This is his first and only chance to get the most money, and years. He may never get another chance. His agent should be fired immediately if this is the contract he gets him. You’re kidding yourself to think he doesn’t look around the league and his fellow peers, and see the amount of money being thrown around. And make no mistake, he believes he’s better than all of them. As he should, professional players have an ego that is second to none. Exactly. People talking about potentially 10-12mill are kidding themselves. If Barkley has a full year of this production then you’re looking at the Alvin Kamara deal, adjusted for capflation… So, something in the ballpark of 5 years, averaging 17.5mill/yr Kamara’s contract is 5 years and for $75 million yet $33 million is guaranteed. So yes, a Barkley contract will likely be high for at least 2/3 years (have to exhaust the guaranteed money).
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Post by mikethenygfan on Sept 14, 2022 11:00:02 GMT -5
I love Barkley and hope he has an amazing season. However, I can't see him being on the Giants next year; there's still too many holes to fill, namely QB like you said. I'd say he winds up being part of a trade package to move up in next years draft to get a QB. if we are drafting a rookie qb we will have plenty of cap space to sign barkley if he keeps playing like this
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Post by jimmieray on Sept 14, 2022 11:03:56 GMT -5
Think RB is gonna be devalued quite a bit. Not sure with SQB how it will work out if he catches 80 or 90 balls and runs for a ton of yards to. Thats a different animal, Half WR had RB. As I said in my last post he makes more sense with a rookie QB. That's where I sit If we don't bring Jones back then it does make sense as we won't be allocating major cap space for a qb and the new qb will need as many major game changers around him to help him develop (unlike the last prehistoric shitbag that drafted a qb with no weapons and a bad O line ).. The dilemma is that there is a chance that many didn't see that we could play ourselves out of a spot to get one of the top qbs ....then what Yeah, but I feel they are trying to prove the offensive scheme will generally work - with or without Barkley in the future, regardless of how it looks like he himself is carrying the team. I'd imagine there is more commitment to Jones, considering the success rate of QBs vs RBs. And I'm not onboard with second contracts being that measuring point, didn't Webb get a second contract with our team?
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Post by te88 on Sept 14, 2022 11:09:07 GMT -5
You have to let him go.
It has never worked.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 14, 2022 11:09:44 GMT -5
That's where I sit If we don't bring Jones back then it does make sense as we won't be allocating major cap space for a qb and the new qb will need as many major game changers around him to help him develop (unlike the last prehistoric shitbag that drafted a qb with no weapons and a bad O line ).. The dilemma is that there is a chance that many didn't see that we could play ourselves out of a spot to get one of the top qbs ....then what Yeah, but I feel they are trying to prove the offensive scheme will generally work - with or without Barkley in the future, regardless of how it looks like he himself is carrying the team. I'd imagine there is more commitment to Jones, considering the success rate of QBs vs RBs. And I'm not onboard with second contracts being that measuring point, didn't Webb get a second contract with our team? Yeah Seems there was a half adjustment that Kafka made noticing that Tennessee had only 6 or 7 in the box and spread out and they saw this could be taken advantage of.. They still want to be a throwing team using the little dynamic playmakers as the engine for this offense... Barkley will also be part of the engine... At least this year
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Post by jerky on Sept 14, 2022 11:30:20 GMT -5
All of this not paying Barkley stuff completely hinges on the fact that we have a franchise QB and we are paying them. We don't have one, and even if we draft one, we won't be paying a huge salary. If nothing else, Saquon would help a rookie QB immensely.
Also, I don't think he should be completely thought of as a running back. If they make him a Deebo Samuel, he would be a focal point of the offense and would be worth the money (I think he's better than Samuel also). Obviously, like everyone says, it depends on his health, but that's true for any player in the NFL. If they were smart, they would use him in a number of different ways so he's not just battering his body into linebackers on every play.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2022 11:34:25 GMT -5
Also, I don't think he should be completely thought of as a running back. If they make him a Deebo Samuel, he would be a focal point of the offense and would be worth the money ( I think he's better than Samuel also). Obviously, like everyone says, it depends on his health, but that's true for any player in the NFL. If they were smart, they would use him in a number of different ways so he's not just battering his body into linebackers on every play. I'm curious how you came to this opinion. I don't think he's close to the receiver Samuel is while he maybe a better running but not that much..
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Post by miggs on Sept 14, 2022 11:37:39 GMT -5
Do you want the Giants to play in Super Bowl and win or not. Best chance to do so someday is with Barkley, not without him.
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Post by jerky on Sept 14, 2022 11:38:10 GMT -5
Also, I don't think he should be completely thought of as a running back. If they make him a Deebo Samuel, he would be a focal point of the offense and would be worth the money ( I think he's better than Samuel also). Obviously, like everyone says, it depends on his health, but that's true for any player in the NFL. If they were smart, they would use him in a number of different ways so he's not just battering his body into linebackers on every play. I'm curious how you came to this opinion. I don't think he's close to the receiver Samuel is while he maybe a better running but not that much.. Well, the Saquon of last game was better than any other RB in the league, so I think he's much more than a little better than Samuel as a RB. Samuel is probably a better WR (because that's his position), but Barkely is a pretty good receiving back. I just think Barkley is more talented and has a higher ceiling. It's just my opinion, it's not based on any stats or anything. I think Deebo is amazing though.
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Post by jb456 on Sept 14, 2022 11:46:08 GMT -5
I would think the odds of Barkley getting an extension are less than the odds of him getting traded at the deadline this season. Of course, that all depends on where the team stands as a W/L record towards the deadline. If the team is even slightly below average (Big improvement actually), no first year coach / GM would trade him.
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Post by Roswell on Sept 14, 2022 11:47:44 GMT -5
Barkley is not just a running back. He's a receiver, he sells jerseys, he's a leader and he's pretty much the face of the franchise.
If he stays healthy, (a big if) and the Giants can sign him to a reasonable contract, I wouldn't be surprised if he stays.
Not necessarily what I'd do, but might be what they do.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2022 11:56:46 GMT -5
I'm curious how you came to this opinion. I don't think he's close to the receiver Samuel is while he maybe a better running but not that much.. Well, the Saquon of last game was better than any other RB in the league, so I think he's much more than a little better than Samuel as a RB. Samuel is probably a better WR (because that's his position), but Barkely is a pretty good receiving back. I just think Barkley is more talented and has a higher ceiling. It's just my opinion, it's not based on any stats or anything. I think Deebo is amazing though. I guess if you are going to use Barkley's best game ever as the measuring point then I shouldn't have question you.. I just looked up Samuel's rushing totals and thought he was used more as a running but that 6 yard average is not something to ignore.. GO GIANTS!!
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 14, 2022 11:57:07 GMT -5
I would think the odds of Barkley getting an extension are less than the odds of him getting traded at the deadline this season. Of course, that all depends on where the team stands as a W/L record towards the deadline. If the team is even slightly below average (Big improvement actually), no first year coach / GM would trade him. Lets say we are 3-8 or 4-7, like 3 or 4 games behind in the division out of the playoffs, with obvious signs we arent much of a player in a playoff push. But Barkley continues to show what he showed in week 1. He would be our obvious trade candidate, and the team would be missing an opportunity not to shop him to a team competing. It maximizes his value. Sell high. I think the team knows he wont be here next season. Its either because he was so good he will cost way too much, or he was bad again or got hurt, and he isnt worth it. If we could get a 2nd round pick for him it would be very helpful for the future of this team. This all changes though if the team shows signs it can compete and is in the hunt.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2022 12:01:35 GMT -5
If the team is even slightly below average (Big improvement actually), no first year coach / GM would trade him. Lets say we are 3-8 or 4-7, like 3 or 4 games behind in the division out of the playoffs, with obvious signs we arent much of a player in a playoff push. But Barkley continues to show what he showed in week 1. He would be our obvious trade candidate, and the team would be missing an opportunity not to shop him to a team competing. It maximizes his value. Sell high. I think the team knows he wont be here next season. Its either because he was so good he will cost way too much, or he was bad again or got hurt, and he isnt worth it. If we could get a 2nd round pick for him it would be very helpful for the future of this team. This all changes though if the team shows signs it can compete and is in the hunt. Late 2nd rounder or keep him for a late 3rd rounder when he leaves. They probably go with keeping him..
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Post by jerky on Sept 14, 2022 12:12:07 GMT -5
The Giants need playmakers. He can make plays. Once Golladay is gone, it's not like we're paying big bucks to any other skill players.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2022 12:13:19 GMT -5
The Giants need playmakers. He can make plays. Once Golladay is gone, it's not like we're paying big bucks to any other skill players. Good point.. although I would want to get a high end CB in FA next year..
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 14, 2022 12:14:07 GMT -5
Lets say we are 3-8 or 4-7, like 3 or 4 games behind in the division out of the playoffs, with obvious signs we arent much of a player in a playoff push. But Barkley continues to show what he showed in week 1. He would be our obvious trade candidate, and the team would be missing an opportunity not to shop him to a team competing. It maximizes his value. Sell high. I think the team knows he wont be here next season. Its either because he was so good he will cost way too much, or he was bad again or got hurt, and he isnt worth it. If we could get a 2nd round pick for him it would be very helpful for the future of this team. This all changes though if the team shows signs it can compete and is in the hunt. Late 2nd rounder or keep him for a late 3rd rounder when he leaves. They probably go with keeping him.. Unless he falls apart or gets hurt after the trade deadline. Its a gamble.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 14, 2022 12:16:08 GMT -5
Barkley is not just a running back. He's a receiver, he sells jerseys, he's a leader and he's pretty much the face of the franchise. If he stays healthy, (a big if) and the Giants can sign him to a reasonable contract, I wouldn't be surprised if he stays. Not necessarily what I'd do but might be what they do. A sign post can sell jerseys with the right marketing. As of signing a reasonable deal, put that right out of your head. He would be doing himself a disservice of accepting anything less than the top players at his position. Also, everything you said is his bargaining chip. He can run, he can catch, he’s been the face of the franchise for four years now. For every good game he has, you might as well add a zero to his contract. We already are paying for it with the Golladay deal. Let’s not double down on stupidity with another albatross contract.
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Post by jerky on Sept 14, 2022 12:16:36 GMT -5
The Giants need playmakers. He can make plays. Once Golladay is gone, it's not like we're paying big bucks to any other skill players. Good point.. although I would want to get a high end CB in FA next year.. I think CBs we have are good enough for now, maybe need more depth. But that's also based on how good Thibodeaux is (and Aaron Robinson). If we have a good pass rush, then all we need for CBs is some better quality backups.
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Post by jb456 on Sept 14, 2022 12:17:09 GMT -5
If the team is even slightly below average (Big improvement actually), no first year coach / GM would trade him. Lets say we are 3-8 or 4-7, like 3 or 4 games behind in the division out of the playoffs, with obvious signs we arent much of a player in a playoff push. But Barkley continues to show what he showed in week 1. He would be our obvious trade candidate, and the team would be missing an opportunity not to shop him to a team competing. It maximizes his value. Sell high. I think the team knows he wont be here next season. Its either because he was so good he will cost way too much, or he was bad again or got hurt, and he isnt worth it. If we could get a 2nd round pick for him it would be very helpful for the future of this team. This all changes though if the team shows signs it can compete and is in the hunt. They would keep him at 4-7, probably at least a chance but at 3-8, would listen to offers. What RT said, trade of a 2nd would keep if only a 3rd since there would be a high probability of getting a 3rd comp pick.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2022 12:23:39 GMT -5
Good point.. although I would want to get a high end CB in FA next year.. I think CBs we have are good enough for now, maybe need more depth. But that's also based on how good Thibodeaux is (and Aaron Robinson). If we have a good pass rush, then all we need for CBs is some better quality backups. If all the current players eventually prove to be really good then I would stay a way from big FAs.. Not even close to there yet especially at the CB position..
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 14, 2022 12:43:51 GMT -5
Think RB is gonna be devalued quite a bit. Not sure with SQB how it will work out if he catches 80 or 90 balls and runs for a ton of yards to. Thats a different animal, Half WR had RB. As I said in my last post he makes more sense with a rookie QB. That's where I sit If we don't bring Jones back then it does make sense as we won't be allocating major cap space for a qb and the new qb will need as many major game changers around him to help him develop (unlike the last prehistoric shitbag that drafted a qb with no weapons and a bad O line ).. The dilemma is that there is a chance that many didn't see that we could play ourselves out of a spot to get one of the top qbs ....then what I'm hoping tis draft ends up similar to lasts years where teams could wait a little grab who falls to them they were so close. the Traits guy lasted to 3 rd round. I think I'm gonna try to see as much NCAA ball as I can this year when these QBs are matched up. Still have some hope DJ can get it done.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 14, 2022 12:50:41 GMT -5
When I watched Florida the other night I thought Richardson looked like a Malik Willis type of prospect not a a finished product, has all the physical traits to be good. As the NCAA season goes it will be interesting to see if his mental processing and technique progress. A guy like him might last awhile depending on how many QBs emerge from this class. IMO, not even close to Malik Willis. Also much bigger. He and nearly a full season left to prove himself though. I was really taken back on him though after watching him vs Kentucky. Willis never saw comp like what Richardsons has or will see it was only his 3rd start. That is why he will slide big time he doesn't have he benefit of playing interior comp every week. Wilis had an opportunity to show his stuff against old miss last year and had a Richardson esque type game.
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