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Post by snyder55 on Sept 14, 2022 15:18:29 GMT -5
I think this conversation about Barkley's future should take place after the season is over and we see how his health holds up...
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Post by nyg2 on Sept 14, 2022 15:34:15 GMT -5
A lot of people seem to be forgetting that Saquon is currently making $8 million this year, which already makes him the 9th highest paid RB in the league. Yet we managed to fit him into our cap.
If Saquon Barkley asks for a deal similar to Derrick Henry, 4 years $50 million, $25.5 million guaranteed, I don't see how that would break our cap. That would give him a top-5 contract and you can sell him on the idea that he doesn't have to uproot his family, he would remain in one of the biggest markets in the league, thus having more endorsement offers than if he went to another team that plays in a much smaller market.
If he demands to be the highest paid RB, then you let him walk, but the point is you don't give up on talent because you feel that the position he plays is overvalued. Particularly in our case, I mean this team has a hole in just about every position and some of you guys want to just let him walk without making an offer.
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Post by grapenut on Sept 14, 2022 17:48:14 GMT -5
I think this conversation about Barkley's future should take place after the season is over and we see how his health holds up... Agree, I don't think we can base anything on one game, its much too early. We need too see how he holds up for the rest of the season, both health and production wise before making a decision. If there's still questions, we also have the franchise tag. |
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Post by Blue Hulk on Sept 14, 2022 18:19:44 GMT -5
franchise him if he has a good year...sign DJ if he has a good year
rb is cheaper to franchise and saquon has 3-4 years on his tires
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 14, 2022 18:39:38 GMT -5
franchise him if he has a good year...sign DJ if he has a good year rb is cheaper to franchise and saquon has 3-4 years on his tires According to two souces regarding the 2022 cap (and i'm not positive these are correct). The 2023 cap should be higher along with the FT. Not a bad cost for a HB Quarterback: $29.70 million Defensive end: $17.86 million Wide receiver: $18.42 million Linebacker: $18.70 million Cornerback: $17.29 million Defensive tackle: $17.40 million Offensive line: $16.66 million Safety: $12.91 million Running back: $9.57 million Tight end: $10.93 million Specialists: $5.22 million |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 14, 2022 21:02:24 GMT -5
I think this conversation about Barkley's future should take place after the season is over and we see how his health holds up... Exactly the only issue with Barkley has been health if he were healthy he would be probably be running away with every rushing / receiving. Health's the big one here his talent is #1 when healthy he can do more at higher level thAn anyone else when healthy. he can hurt a defense in a lot of different ways, |
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Post by Roosevelt on Sept 14, 2022 21:55:28 GMT -5
Giving Barkley a big contract is something Gettleman would do.  |
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Post by piddy283 on Sept 14, 2022 23:17:13 GMT -5
In my Opinion Jones’s won’t be around next year. If he is it won’t be for top dollar. This means we wouldn’t have to pay a QB top end money for another four years, at a minimum.
Not having a QB to pay will provide a lot of flexibility. If Barkley stays healthy and shows out this season, I could see us bringing him back.
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Post by piddy283 on Sept 14, 2022 23:20:47 GMT -5
I can’t think of a scenario where this FO pays him McCaffrey money. Literally can’t think of one. If no other team will either, it gets interesting. I think we’re witnessing the demise of the position. I think the top 5 RB contracts prove it. They won’t get those numbers in todays market. My two cents. It's going to be curious how the QB market is going to continue if the trend that QBs on 2nd contracts rarely win the SB now that Brady is close to the end. Surprise how much Rogers has fallen always thought he was the next one to win multiple SBs now it's up to Maholmes to be that player or will he.. I’ve thought the same thing regarding QBs and the lack of success after the rookie contract. I also think WRs have become the new “dime a dozen” and teams might be willing to restock through the draft rather than overpay for one in FA. A legit dual threat player like Barkley, or a Debo Samuel, could be the new trend. |
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Post by cdngfan on Sept 15, 2022 2:41:24 GMT -5
It's going to be curious how the QB market is going to continue if the trend that QBs on 2nd contracts rarely win the SB now that Brady is close to the end. Surprise how much Rogers has fallen always thought he was the next one to win multiple SBs now it's up to Maholmes to be that player or will he.. I’ve thought the same thing regarding QBs and the lack of success after the rookie contract. I also think WRs have become the new “dime a dozen” and teams might be willing to restock through the draft rather than overpay for one in FA. A legit dual threat player like Barkley, or a Debo Samuel, could be the new trend. There’s a continuing trend of polarization for QB contracts. I remember fans freaking out when Eli became the highest paid QB when his performance didn’t really justify it. That trend has continued. Cap wise, there’s little difference between Kyler Murray, Desaun Watson, Patrick Mahomes, and Russell Wilson’s deals. I don’t look at those QBs as interchangeable at all. But their deals are close to interchangeable in terms of cap hits. In fact Watson’s contract is the most lucrative in-terms of guaranteed money and it seems to be the market setting contract going forward with Lamar Jackson wanting the same structure of deal. I used to think Schoen would wait to draft what he would see as an elite QB, where draft position would be key to acquiring a that level if player, given how expensive it’s getting in terms of draft picks to move up to draft in the top 5. But Im shifting now to valuing that rookie QB deal almost as much as the QB talent, if you’re not in a top 5 draft position. Avoiding trading up or paying $50 million a year for a QB gives you so much flexibility to build out the rest of your team. The QB just has to be above average, if you can built great lines, a great secondary, and great skill positions, all of which str adult cheaper to build/acquire than elite QBs. Which is where Barkley comes in if the RB market continues to slide. He’s a valuable piece on a shorter deal that accounts for the fact he could get hurt again. As support for a late drafted rookie QB, it’s an interesting angle. |
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Post by incredabollz on Sept 15, 2022 6:19:38 GMT -5
I think this conversation about Barkley's future should take place after the season is over and we see how his health holds up... Agree, I don't think we can base anything on one game, its much too early. We need too see how he holds up for the rest of the season, both health and production wise before making a decision. If there's still questions, we also have the franchise tag. Exactly. Franchise tag keeps Barkley from asking for the moon. |
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Post by piddy283 on Sept 15, 2022 8:43:22 GMT -5
I’ve thought the same thing regarding QBs and the lack of success after the rookie contract. I also think WRs have become the new “dime a dozen” and teams might be willing to restock through the draft rather than overpay for one in FA. A legit dual threat player like Barkley, or a Debo Samuel, could be the new trend. There’s a continuing trend of polarization for QB contracts. I remember fans freaking out when Eli became the highest paid QB when his performance didn’t really justify it. That trend has continued. Cap wise, there’s little difference between Kyler Murray, Desaun Watson, Patrick Mahomes, and Russell Wilson’s deals. I don’t look at those QBs as interchangeable at all. But their deals are close to interchangeable in terms of cap hits. In fact Watson’s contract is the most lucrative in-terms of guaranteed money and it seems to be the market setting contract going forward with Lamar Jackson wanting the same structure of deal. I used to think Schoen would wait to draft what he would see as an elite QB, where draft position would be key to acquiring a that level if player, given how expensive it’s getting in terms of draft picks to move up to draft in the top 5. But Im shifting now to valuing that rookie QB deal almost as much as the QB talent, if you’re not in a top 5 draft position. Avoiding trading up or paying $50 million a year for a QB gives you so much flexibility to build out the rest of your team. The QB just has to be above average, if you can built great lines, a great secondary, and great skill positions, all of which str adult cheaper to build/acquire than elite QBs. Which is where Barkley comes in if the RB market continues to slide. He’s a valuable piece on a shorter deal that accounts for the fact he could get hurt again. As support for a late drafted rookie QB, it’s an interesting angle. Agreed, great post. The way the NFL has morphed, solid QB’s have become easier to find. If you find a Mahomes you stick with him, but you can find a Carr, Cousins, and Jones’s in nearly every draft. Don’t overpay for mediocrity at the QB position, and focus on building a solid team to contend each year. |
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Post by piddy283 on Sept 15, 2022 8:47:21 GMT -5
I think this conversation about Barkley's future should take place after the season is over and we see how his health holds up... But we have so much time to kill until then! 😛 |
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Post by ratbastich on Sept 15, 2022 12:00:33 GMT -5
Right now the Giants are akin to buying an "as is" house. Schoen is that buyer and has a budget (the cap). This year he was able to budget for the draft (a new front door and a washer and dryer), next year he might be able to fit more under his budget to improve the house but has to be responsible. Though early, in the first game Barkley showed more value than Jones. If this continues to be the trend and he stays healthy then he may be the one that stays while they look for a QB. It is hard to see a scenario where both of them stay and think it is an either-or situation dependent on production at the end of the year.
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Post by shocknaweny on Sept 15, 2022 15:55:08 GMT -5
I love Barkley and think he's a huge asset to the team. I just hope there's a way we can retain him. We'll see how the year plays out as to Jones. I hope he can prove he's the guy and we can keep both somehow franchise tag is the only way like the Steelers did with Bell but running backs hate that because this is there one and only chance to get the huge payday |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Sept 15, 2022 17:22:05 GMT -5
I love Barkley and think he's a huge asset to the team. I just hope there's a way we can retain him. We'll see how the year plays out as to Jones. I hope he can prove he's the guy and we can keep both somehow franchise tag is the only way like the Steelers did with Bell but running backs hate that because this is there one and only chance to get the huge payday yeah just hope we can find a way if this year plays out for him continuing that from Sunday |
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