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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2022 16:34:12 GMT -5
Just remember….What if Slayton hauled it in?
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Post by grayphoenix on Dec 4, 2022 16:34:33 GMT -5
What the hell happened to the two 15-minute OT periods before a tie? It's 10 minutes and done now?
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Post by yoho on Dec 4, 2022 16:34:35 GMT -5
This was a sickening display of pussy coaching on both sides Washington playing for tie because River boat Ron knows they can game plan the shit out of the giants, well the Giants are busy taking their lumps against Minnesota. That is what makes the distrust in the offense to throw it when it mattered in regulation all the more annoying they moved it pretty good once they removed the shackles. I agree with you bro.
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 4, 2022 16:34:38 GMT -5
Lots of fans vocal on social media saying this game proves Jones isn't the guy. My dad told me the deep ball catch early in the game "was all Slayton" and he thinks Kayvon is a pro-bowler. I feel like I'm watching an entirely different game than those fans. I think Jones was pretty good today, certainly not part of the problem at this point. Personally, I think the book is still open, will take the entire season to assess properly.
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Post by allnygin on Dec 4, 2022 16:34:45 GMT -5
Personally, I thought this was a badly coached game by the Giants Ties are for soccer pussies and that brutally boring game of pansy asses exactly
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Dec 4, 2022 16:35:37 GMT -5
Lots of fans vocal on social media saying this game proves Jones isn't the guy. My dad told me the deep ball catch early in the game "was all Slayton" and he thinks Kayvon is a pro-bowler. I feel like I'm watching an entirely different game than those fans. I think Jones was pretty good today, certainly not part of the problem at this point. Personally, I think the book is still open, will take the entire season to assess properly. You could argue it was his fumble that cost us the game, even though it happened early.
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Post by thetruth on Dec 4, 2022 16:35:44 GMT -5
L:MAO you watched the game, you're intelligent. Explain to me how it wasn't. they moved the pocket and produced with a QB who can't throw downfield. to the tune of 20 points. Not bad You go? We can chat on another thread, im actually curious what the narrative will shift to next
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Post by DJones19 on Dec 4, 2022 16:36:05 GMT -5
Lots of fans vocal on social media saying this game proves Jones isn't the guy. My dad told me the deep ball catch early in the game "was all Slayton" and he thinks Kayvon is a pro-bowler. I feel like I'm watching an entirely different game than those fans. what did you see from Jones today that leads you to another conclusion? Seriously interested in hearing it. I don't think the Giants send Jones out in OT for the coin flip as the 1 captain if they don't think he is the guy. I was wondering why Barkley wasn't in the field for the flip. Washington sent 3 guys.
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Post by thetruth on Dec 4, 2022 16:37:12 GMT -5
what did you see from Jones today that leads you to another conclusion? Seriously interested in hearing it. I don't think the Giants send Jones out in OT for the coin flip as the 1 captain if they don't think he is the guy. I was wondering why Barkley wasn't in the field for the flip. Washington sent 3 guys. how about when you have three yards and instead of throwing it you bumble it trying to hand it off to both HB's simultaneously? yep, exactly what you want.
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Post by thetruth on Dec 4, 2022 16:37:42 GMT -5
I literally heard Vilma say
"in these situations you dont really want to have the ball in DJ's hands" and none of you blinked.
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Post by TEM on Dec 4, 2022 16:38:13 GMT -5
Tie = you suck just enough to piss the fans off.
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Post by Martin on Dec 4, 2022 16:38:25 GMT -5
Just remember….What if Slayton hauled it in? We could also point to Feliciano's bone headed taunting penalty! That would have set up a field goal making it a 10 pt game.
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Post by allnygin on Dec 4, 2022 16:38:25 GMT -5
L:MAO you watched the game, you're intelligent. Explain to me how it wasn't. they moved the pocket and produced with a QB who can't throw downfield. to the tune of 20 points. Not bad You go? We can chat on another thread, im actually curious what the narrative will shift to next The narrative is that both Jones and Kafka weren't good today. I'm not using it as an excuse to cover up for Jones, he had his own issues - but kafka and the play calling today were terrible. It was like Joe Judge was running the show again today.
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 4, 2022 16:39:06 GMT -5
lol Kafka, the guy turning trash into something productive and he gets hate. bro, forget the narrative on JOnse for a second.. The dude called a ****ing shitty game Folks are gonna speculate on whatever they choose to. There’s no NFL personnel here, it’s all good.
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Post by umenyiouranidiot on Dec 4, 2022 16:39:37 GMT -5
i put this loss on the offense, for sure.
defense was stout, with a few hiccups.
but the IOL sucked...Feliciano needs to sit, his penalty was crushing and has a high chance of stopping a drive that would've scored.
DJ made some great throws and some bad decisions, like running on 2nd down when we were looking for a game-winning drive.
I think this team is a few good players from being able to compete with good teams.
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Post by BlueReign on Dec 4, 2022 16:40:40 GMT -5
It’s been your MO for years. I’m not even defending Jones; I made a comment about the IOL, which is not good whatsoever, and you’re dislike of Jones seems to blind you to that reality. I criticize Jones when warranted and am still unconvinced he’s the answer. You’re incorrect WAY too often to be this arrogant. you made a comment about the IOL during a play the QB held the ball too long. Literally, we've come fill circle. How am I incorrect? In the past, i've said: - Building around an old Eli is not a good idea - Drafting SB at #2 is horrible - trading draft capital for Ogletree is a bad idea because he can't play and makes $10MM/year - signing Dave Gettlemen as GM is not a good idea because he can't evaluate talent - Daniel Jones in the top 10 was a massive reach. - by trading draft capital for LW is not smart because it gives him all the leverage which of these are wrong? these were all before the narrative changed. If I knew who you were, perhaps I could vouch for what you said? I would imagine my track record being a hell of a lot better than yours Maybe this all-22 is something you should invest in, puts something else behind just emotion - yeah? You think those claims are unique/insightful? Those have been, and generally were at the time, the general consensus. I’ve been on these boards since like, 2004 and am well aware that your track record kinda sucks. I’ve been wrong lots, but at least I admit when I’ve been wrong. I’m not wrong about this IOL. And no, you can’t have all-pro players along the line, but you can provide at least league average, not three backups. Jones, as I’ve said multiple times yet you continue to ignore, isn’t a great and might not be the answer. But he’s got no help at WR and has a DT in his lap all the ****ing time. I don’t need all-22 for that because the camera crew is focused there every single play. I’m not going to invest in all-22 because: a) I can get a general idea from just watching the games and b) who the hell has time to study film of a lm NFL game?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 4, 2022 16:41:20 GMT -5
Defense deserves a better Offence defense had one thing to do that is make stops with 2 minutes left all they had to do is 4 and out them withe 2:40 or so just stop but they let them go straight downed get all 7 at least Wink stayed true to his guns think he knew their QB wasn't getting more then 20. I think this is on the coaches the D is extremely short handed. On offense they should have opened it up it was ugly and predictable in crunch time when it should have been creative and innovative, this was a perfect time to let the QB let it go see if he can get it done. But it is more on the coaches I give them credit when it's deserved to day they deserve blame.
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Post by GameTime on Dec 4, 2022 16:41:42 GMT -5
so sick of this offense. How many chances did they have ti score 3 lousy points ? 5 ?
3 chances in OT.
****ing pathetic.
they actually suck again on the offense side.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2022 16:42:23 GMT -5
Lots of fans vocal on social media saying this game proves Jones isn't the guy. My dad told me the deep ball catch early in the game "was all Slayton" and he thinks Kayvon is a pro-bowler. I feel like I'm watching an entirely different game than those fans. Your dad is a smart man ....and that drop was all Slayton as well, and the Kayvan sack was nothing pro bowl at all...but his immense QB and game altering and throw quickening pressures while playing the run and edge so well are what makes him a pro bowler
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Post by yoho on Dec 4, 2022 16:42:43 GMT -5
There’s hope for next year though. We are starting to win on our defense line, just need some inside backers that can play their gap responsibilities. The O-line is not winning the line of scrimmage. Glowinski is just bad, that was a bad signing by this GM, Feleciano is a stop gap, and he gets beat a lot. Washington is a good team with a lot of talented players, and we hung with them today. Last year’s team would have gotten blow away today.
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Post by thetruth on Dec 4, 2022 16:42:48 GMT -5
they moved the pocket and produced with a QB who can't throw downfield. to the tune of 20 points. Not bad You go? We can chat on another thread, im actually curious what the narrative will shift to next The narrative is that both Jones and Kafka weren't good today. I'm not using it as an excuse to cover up for Jones, he had his own issues - but kafka and the play calling today were terrible. It was like Joe Judge was running the show again today. I think we had, 1 maybe two completions beyond 10 yards. It wasn't because of the scheme, the route concepts and the way they're utilizing Jones is innovative, I dont see a problem with the route concepts or design of our running game, etc. So, im struggling to understand where/why scheme is an issue? Are we confusing execution and design?
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 4, 2022 16:42:59 GMT -5
Lots of fans vocal on social media saying this game proves Jones isn't the guy. My dad told me the deep ball catch early in the game "was all Slayton" and he thinks Kayvon is a pro-bowler. I feel like I'm watching an entirely different game than those fans. Social media? Well that’s like gospel.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2022 16:43:08 GMT -5
What the hell happened to the two 15-minute OT periods before a tie? It's 10 minutes and done now? Yeah, they changed it last week
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Post by DJones19 on Dec 4, 2022 16:43:08 GMT -5
Lots of fans vocal on social media saying this game proves Jones isn't the guy. My dad told me the deep ball catch early in the game "was all Slayton" and he thinks Kayvon is a pro-bowler. I feel like I'm watching an entirely different game than those fans. what did you see from Jones today that leads you to another conclusion? Seriously interested in hearing it. Also..regarding the game itself. I thought Washington looked like a better/more well rounded team on both sides of the ball. I thought Jones's arm and legs kept us in the game and should have won us the game if not for a few boneheaded mistakes/drops (Feliciano, Slayton drop (Jones hit him for the win), James running into Barkley in OT). Our #1 WR leads the NFL with a 16% drop rate.
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Post by allnygin on Dec 4, 2022 16:43:43 GMT -5
what did you see from Jones today that leads you to another conclusion? Seriously interested in hearing it. I don't think the Giants send Jones out in OT for the coin flip as the 1 captain if they don't think he is the guy. I was wondering why Barkley wasn't in the field for the flip. Washington sent 3 guys. oh, okay. Bc what I saw was he had like 3-4 times to win this game and didn't
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Post by thetruth on Dec 4, 2022 16:44:41 GMT -5
I dont know how our fan base can watch that game and not be concerned about what DJ is capable of as it pertains to being a drop back QB.
Yeesh, problems galore. But we can choose to ignore that, wont help the Giants.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2022 16:45:28 GMT -5
what did you see from Jones today that leads you to another conclusion? Seriously interested in hearing it. I don't think the Giants send Jones out in OT for the coin flip as the 1 captain if they don't think he is the guy. I was wondering why Barkley wasn't in the field for the flip. Washington sent 3 guys. That seals it ...once a QB goes out alone for a coin flip they are guaranteed 50 million a year ...60 if they win the flip
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 4, 2022 16:46:06 GMT -5
I think Jones was pretty good today, certainly not part of the problem at this point. Personally, I think the book is still open, will take the entire season to assess properly. You could argue it was his fumble that cost us the game, even though it happened early. Well, that’s what fans do. We pick the reason that we like and then back our way into an analysis that seeks to support it.
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Post by thetruth on Dec 4, 2022 16:46:36 GMT -5
you made a comment about the IOL during a play the QB held the ball too long. Literally, we've come fill circle. How am I incorrect? In the past, i've said: - Building around an old Eli is not a good idea - Drafting SB at #2 is horrible - trading draft capital for Ogletree is a bad idea because he can't play and makes $10MM/year - signing Dave Gettlemen as GM is not a good idea because he can't evaluate talent - Daniel Jones in the top 10 was a massive reach. - by trading draft capital for LW is not smart because it gives him all the leverage which of these are wrong? these were all before the narrative changed. If I knew who you were, perhaps I could vouch for what you said? I would imagine my track record being a hell of a lot better than yours Maybe this all-22 is something you should invest in, puts something else behind just emotion - yeah? You think those claims are unique/insightful? Those have been, and generally were at the time, the general consensus. I’ve been on these boards since like, 2004 and am well aware that your track record kinda sucks. I’ve been wrong lots, but at least I admit when I’ve been wrong. I’m not wrong about this IOL. And no, you can’t have all-pro players along the line, but you can provide at least league average, not three backups. Jones, as I’ve said multiple times yet you continue to ignore, isn’t a great and might not be the answer. But he’s got no help at WR and has a DT in his lap all the ****ing time. I don’t need all-22 for that because the camera crew is focused there every single play. I’m not going to invest in all-22 because: a) I can get a general idea from just watching the games and b) who the hell has time to study film of a lm NFL game? Consensus! no way. All of those were a vast minority when they occurred. Especially here. Listen, you need the all-22 or else you have ZERO clue what the WR's are doing. I just dont think we can have a real convo on it if you're not going to look at it, fair enough but as for the WR's, guess what, they're open. Surprise (or not?). They're open a lot because this scheme is well run and the route concepts work well within the context of the scheme. Thats not the issue. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Kafka is a very hot commodity this offseason. Could the WR talent be better, 100% yes. Is that the main reason why we're struggling? **** no.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2022 16:48:57 GMT -5
Watching a game for 3.5 hours only for it to end in a tie is one of the weirdest feelings ever. We need field goals from the 20 over and over with nobody else on the field...easy field goals...first miss and other team a make decides the entire game
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