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Post by Miked1958 on Dec 5, 2022 2:06:33 GMT -5
They certainly didn't win. another game the offense just sucked overall. They just cant score points. meanwhile Dallas & Eagles make it look easy. Dallas scored 54 Elliott scores and jumps in a big Salvation Army box. Prescott comes over acts like hes winding up a toy box and put pops elliott. Cant stand Dallas pr philly If I remember he did something similar in past jumping into a box in back of emdzoze. Dont remember sponser though But true giants cant score points |
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 5, 2022 6:49:35 GMT -5
another game the offense just sucked overall. They just cant score points. meanwhile Dallas & Eagles make it look easy. Dallas scored 54 Elliott scores and jumps in a big Salvation Army box. Prescott comes over acts like hes winding up a toy box and put pops elliott. Cant stand Dallas pr philly If I remember he did something similar in past jumping into a box in back of emdzoze. Dont remember sponser though But true giants cant score points  |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 5, 2022 7:38:20 GMT -5
He has a lot of carries on him this years they also are not blocking as good lot of traffic in the back field. never good for an RB or anyone who works in the backfield they need a legit Back that can take 10 to 15 carries when needed if they want to be ground and pound team. All teams with that play that style and even the Giants during the last 2 superbowl runs had horses they had a lead horse but could always play the hot hand for 10 to 15 snaps. defenses today stay fresh in todays NFL, teams don't run 1 guy 400 times anymore anyone is gonna get beat down facing fresh bodies in rotation on D. It sounds like the Giants could use you as a consultant which of course seems odd considering how many people are now employed by the Giants tasked with doing so many critical things. It’s really amazing how much the game has improved. LOL think they will get it handled I'll leave the pro's to do their jobs they have a coach to teach the coaches what to do with the analytics and what it means. Large scale operation itistodays NFL. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 5, 2022 7:40:56 GMT -5
another game the offense just sucked overall. They just cant score points. meanwhile Dallas & Eagles make it look easy. Dallas scored 54 Elliott scores and jumps in a big Salvation Army box. Prescott comes over acts like hes winding up a toy box and put pops elliott. Cant stand Dallas pr philly If I remember he did something similar in past jumping into a box in back of emdzoze. Dont remember sponser though But true giants cant score points And CD Lamb posturing spinning balls on opponents and yet no taunting penalties lol guess rules are different team to team |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 5, 2022 7:45:20 GMT -5
No argument on where he lands in QB rankings, I agree. He’s no Brady but I think he lines up with those other guys. I’m saying I don’t value him at that number. Thats what scares me. Those guys make 30 million so Jones I'm sure expects a co ntract in that range This will be interesting to say the least if they can get him in on a short deal 20 to 25 mill still a lot. Just don't see many options right now that could change tho, I can see a team like Washington jumping on him with their talent at WR and RB. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2022 7:53:29 GMT -5
That wasn't a good game offensively and the defense has a bunch of non tacklers out there these days..
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Post by giantsalmon on Dec 5, 2022 10:34:06 GMT -5
guys......ite THE WHOLE offense. players, scheme, play calling, execution, clock management. ....it all ****ing sucks right now. Singling out players is useless unless you include every one of one if them. No one is stepping up....NOT ONE. Ties suck, playing scared sucks, but I have to disagree-- Hodgins just does what is asked of him. Bright spot, Dependable. |
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Post by DJones19 on Dec 5, 2022 11:20:21 GMT -5
I think has shown potential but hasn't made the impact I was hoping for a #5 overall pick so far. not close to a pro-bowler yet..hopefully that will change. Some of the players I wanted that were drafted after Thibodeaux had huge games today or better year. What kind of impact are you looking for at #6? Would love to see some splash plays from Kayvon..and an Ojulari type impact. Ojulari has strip sacks in back to back games. These are types of plays that change games. Ojulari has converted his pressures into big plays more often. Looks like Ojalari just has more bend and flexibility around the corner than Thibs. Wink called Ojulari the teams best pass rusher. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 5, 2022 11:38:37 GMT -5
What kind of impact are you looking for at #6? Would love to see some splash plays from Kayvon..and an Ojulari type impact. Ojulari has strip sacks in back to back games. These are types of plays that change games. Ojulari has converted his pressures into big plays more often. Looks like Ojalari just has more bend and flexibility around the corner than Thibs. Right. |
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Post by presumablygunner on Dec 5, 2022 12:03:29 GMT -5
Looks like Slayton was afraid of being hit by the Safety so he stopped the route and jumped to avoid contact. #4WR Vibes
You can tell by his reaction after the play that it was solely on him
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Post by DJones19 on Dec 5, 2022 12:05:56 GMT -5
Looks like Slayton was afraid of being hit by the Safety so he stopped the route and jumped to avoid contact. #4WR Vibes honestly that was my take too...but I didn't want to say it. Looked like Slayton rushed to get his arms down to protect his ribs from taking a strike. Was told it was a bad pass - but after watching the replay...it looked like Jones correctly placed the ball away from the safety...but would be nice to see the all-22 view. |
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Post by presumablygunner on Dec 5, 2022 12:10:21 GMT -5
Looks like Slayton was afraid of being hit by the Safety so he stopped the route and jumped to avoid contact. #4WR Vibes honestly that was my take too...but I didn't want to say it. Looked like Slayton rushed to get his arms down to protect his ribs from taking a strike. Was told it was a bad pass - but after watching the replay...it looked like Jones correctly placed the ball away from the safety...but would be nice to see the all-22 view. That was a 40 yard rope by DJ. Anyone saying it was under thrown is being childish |
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Post by DJones19 on Dec 5, 2022 12:13:07 GMT -5
honestly that was my take too...but I didn't want to say it. Looked like Slayton rushed to get his arms down to protect his ribs from taking a strike. Was told it was a bad pass - but after watching the replay...it looked like Jones correctly placed the ball away from the safety...but would be nice to see the all-22 view. That was a 40 yard rope by DJ. Anyone saying it was under thrown is being childish exactly, it looks like I'm watching another play than the guy in the Twitter link that says, "the ball hung in the air" lol... |
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Post by PennState1 on Dec 5, 2022 12:35:28 GMT -5
I just want to see him play with real NFL receivers, an upgraded oline in the middle and his TE healthy So… You want to pay a serviceable QB $30+ million a year? You do realize that you just said you needed 7 positions on the offense either changed or to remain fully healthy throughout the season for you to be capable of coming to a conclusion on Jones? Not saying you are wrong except the debate is simple…some think he will only be serviceable, others think (with weapons around him and a better protection) he can be elite |
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Post by PennState1 on Dec 5, 2022 12:37:51 GMT -5
I just want to see him play with real NFL receivers, an upgraded oline in the middle and his TE healthy So a complete OL, the best LT in the game, a RT soon to be there, an upgraded interior OC, RG, LG, and a 2 great WR(s), TE, and im guessing we'd also be factoring in Saquon because Jones doesn't do well without a running game. So how much does this cost? and why would we be paying DJ anything given the situation around him? (in this dream scenario where we magically hit all our picks and FA) QB's make their $ as they compensate for weaknesses on the team. Instead, we should strengthen everywhere to compensate for a weakness at QB? It wouldn't be how I go about it. is this easier than just drafting someone competent at QB? Im not sure we'd lose much as our QB can't even average 1 TD passing and 200 ypg. How much do we "lose"? Curious what Schoen thinks. I know what Gettlemen would do Only point is you can’t truly evaluate a QB when all of his WRs are guys off the street and his interior OL is poor. |
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Post by PennState1 on Dec 5, 2022 12:40:38 GMT -5
"don't embarrass yourself" lol. Now try statistics that actually matter. Want some examples? - TDs - TDs/game - Yards per game - Yards per attempt. Then again, why look at statistics that actually matter when there is passer rating! thanks for the laugh. Better than the guy referencing fantasy statistics though. That was gold Oh boy dude. The giants do not pass it as much as other teams. Not to mention they don’t have some of the ol and wr talent that those other teams have so those other stats are not as relevant for comparing qb efficiency or effectiveness. Obviously, you don’t shit about statistics. It’s okay. That’s an understatement! They might have THE worst Wr corp in the league |
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Post by miggs on Dec 5, 2022 12:42:33 GMT -5
So a complete OL, the best LT in the game, a RT soon to be there, an upgraded interior OC, RG, LG, and a 2 great WR(s), TE, and im guessing we'd also be factoring in Saquon because Jones doesn't do well without a running game. So how much does this cost? and why would we be paying DJ anything given the situation around him? (in this dream scenario where we magically hit all our picks and FA) QB's make their $ as they compensate for weaknesses on the team. Instead, we should strengthen everywhere to compensate for a weakness at QB? It wouldn't be how I go about it. is this easier than just drafting someone competent at QB? Im not sure we'd lose much as our QB can't even average 1 TD passing and 200 ypg. How much do we "lose"? Curious what Schoen thinks. I know what Gettlemen would do Only point is you can’t truly evaluate a QB when all of his WRs are guys off the street and his interior OL is poor. Easy to evaluate Jones with or without terrific WRs. 80 percent completion of passes, including a drop. No interceptions. Gained more yards per run than Barkley did. Hope he plays somewhere for fans that appreciate him. He's a winner. Are the offensive coaches? Only good thing to come out of this game is that Daboll and Kafka now know they played not to lose, and such didn't work as it had in the past. Now they'll likely play to win. Will it be too late? |
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Post by PennState1 on Dec 6, 2022 0:00:25 GMT -5
Only point is you can’t truly evaluate a QB when all of his WRs are guys off the street and his interior OL is poor. Are you suggesting that Schoen, Daboll and Kafka are incapable of evaluating Jones? Not at all! I’m fairly certain they want to see him in a better situation too!!!! LOL!!! |
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Post by miggs on Dec 6, 2022 4:20:20 GMT -5
The Commanders QB is not very good. Has bad habit of tapping the ball twice with his left hand on every pass play. Also, occasionally drops right elbow on throws which causes his passes to sail over the receivers head. Jones has neither of these bad habits.
Daboll should be the Giants play-caller as he was a successful for many years doing so at Buffalo. This is Kafka's first season calling plays.
The Giants need to throw fewer passes behind the line scrimmage, and to throw more passes on first and second downs, and to throw 35 passes in regulation, not less than 30 passes as they do.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Dec 6, 2022 7:39:15 GMT -5
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Post by miggs on Dec 6, 2022 9:39:49 GMT -5
To bad many posters here don't realize that Jones "played great," and that Kafka kept him from performing even better by having him throw more passes.
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Post by miggs on Dec 6, 2022 9:50:18 GMT -5
Not good that Giants ran a bad play on third down in overtime that resulted in an incomplete pass. Scared Daboll into not going for a first down on 4th down.
He had the Giants punt as he didn't want to give the Commanders good field position if Giants had gone for it and failed.
Also, if Thibs had not driven the Commanders QB down into the ground and instead driven him backwards, the Giants would likely have had a safety and won the game.
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Post by DJones19 on Dec 6, 2022 14:15:11 GMT -5
I think has shown potential but hasn't made the impact I was hoping for a #5 overall pick so far. not close to a pro-bowler yet..hopefully that will change. Some of the players I wanted that were drafted after Thibodeaux had huge games today or better year. What kind of impact are you looking for at #6? sorry, misinterpreted this forgot Jones was selected #6. Many at the time said Drew Lock and Haskins were better than Jones but looks like Gettleman got the best QB available at that time in the draft. Understand arguments regarding it being a reach - bridge QB may have been a better option and not selected a RB #2 the year before. We have meaningful games in December now but of course down the line would love to see the team compete for a Super Bowl. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 6, 2022 15:09:38 GMT -5
What kind of impact are you looking for at #6? sorry, misinterpreted this forgot Jones was selected #6. Many at the time said Drew Lock and Haskins were better than Jones but looks like Gettleman got the best QB available at that time in the draft. Understand arguments regarding it being a reach - bridge QB may have been a better option and not selected a RB #2 the year before. We have meaningful games in December now but of course down the line would love to see the team compete for a Super Bowl. So, no answer then? |
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Post by GameTime on Dec 8, 2022 19:01:07 GMT -5
guys......ite THE WHOLE offense. players, scheme, play calling, execution, clock management. ....it all ****ing sucks right now. Singling out players is useless unless you include every one of one if them. No one is stepping up....NOT ONE. Ties suck, playing scared sucks, but I have to disagree-- Hodgins just does what is asked of him. Bright spot, Dependable. yeah there are guys getting tings done but overall the whole O stinks right now. I know AT is still a stud but he is part of a crappy O |
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Post by GameTime on Dec 8, 2022 19:02:56 GMT -5
another game the offense just sucked overall. They just cant score points. meanwhile Dallas & Eagles make it look easy. Dallas scored 54 Elliott scores and jumps in a big Salvation Army box. Prescott comes over acts like hes winding up a toy box and put pops elliott. Cant stand Dallas pr philly If I remember he did something similar in past jumping into a box in back of emdzoze. Dont remember sponser though But true giants cant score points they get together a handful of plays here and there and move the ball and then they fizzle out. They make moving the ball downfield seem so difficult most times. |
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Post by houndstoothhat on Dec 18, 2022 20:44:51 GMT -5
Sad
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