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Post by thetruth on Dec 4, 2022 16:49:02 GMT -5
L:MAO you watched the game, you're intelligent. Explain to me how it wasn't. That’s not explaining your stance. Its because its not real, this scheme is not the issue, not one bit. QB, WR, IOL, are issues.
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Post by coughlinscorner on Dec 4, 2022 16:49:10 GMT -5
bro, forget the narrative on JOnse for a second.. The dude called a ****ing shitty game Folks are gonna speculate on whatever they choose to. There’s no NFL personnel here, it’s all good. "The Truth" isnt an ex NFL player, scout or coach? Tell me it aint so.
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 4, 2022 16:50:04 GMT -5
so sick of this offense. How many chances did they have ti score 3 lousy points ? 5 ? 3 chances in OT. ****ing pathetic. they actually suck again on the offense side. the play calling was mediocre, and execution was not particularly good for the most part.
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Post by yoho on Dec 4, 2022 16:51:29 GMT -5
i put this loss on the offense, for sure. defense was stout, with a few hiccups. but the IOL sucked...Feliciano needs to sit, his penalty was crushing and has a high chance of stopping a drive that would've scored. DJ made some great throws and some bad decisions, like running on 2nd down when we were looking for a game-winning drive. I think this team is a few good players from being able to compete with good teams. the defense could not stop the run, it allowed Washington to change field position just about every time they touched the ball. Not good, inside backers are horrible.
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Post by allnygin on Dec 4, 2022 16:51:41 GMT -5
L:MAO you watched the game, you're intelligent. Explain to me how it wasn't. That’s not explaining your stance. My dude go back to taking rips from your exhaust pipe you incel. Who the **** asked you? Also, anyone with a brain cell and two eye's does not need an explanation.
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Post by thetruth on Dec 4, 2022 16:52:14 GMT -5
Folks are gonna speculate on whatever they choose to. There’s no NFL personnel here, it’s all good. "The Truth" isnt an ex NFL player, scout or coach? Tell me it aint so. im actually just a shitty hockey player from Calgary Canada. but beer league? im trouble
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 4, 2022 16:53:05 GMT -5
I literally heard Vilma say "in these situations you dont really want to have the ball in DJ's hands" and none of you blinked. Putting aside the silly appeal to authority I didn’t blink because it was Vilma that said it, lol. Also, I don’t recall it, but there’s a good chance I just laughed
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Post by thetruth on Dec 4, 2022 16:55:03 GMT -5
I literally heard Vilma say "in these situations you dont really want to have the ball in DJ's hands" and none of you blinked. Putting aside the silly appeal to authority I didn’t blink because it was Vilma that said it, lol. Also, I don’t recall it, but there’s a good chance I just laughed hahaha he his bumbling isn't he. reminds me of a friendly uncle far past his prime
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Post by DJones19 on Dec 4, 2022 16:55:45 GMT -5
Lots of fans vocal on social media saying this game proves Jones isn't the guy. My dad told me the deep ball catch early in the game "was all Slayton" and he thinks Kayvon is a pro-bowler. I feel like I'm watching an entirely different game than those fans. Wait. You don’t think Thibodeaux played well? I think has shown potential but hasn't made the impact I was hoping for a #5 overall pick so far. not close to a pro-bowler yet..hopefully that will change. Some of the players I wanted that were drafted after Thibodeaux had huge games today or better year.
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Post by umenyiouranidiot on Dec 4, 2022 16:56:40 GMT -5
i put this loss on the offense, for sure. defense was stout, with a few hiccups. but the IOL sucked...Feliciano needs to sit, his penalty was crushing and has a high chance of stopping a drive that would've scored. DJ made some great throws and some bad decisions, like running on 2nd down when we were looking for a game-winning drive. I think this team is a few good players from being able to compete with good teams. the defense could not stop the run, it allowed Washington to change field position just about every time they touched the ball. Not good, inside backers are horrible. the defense made some incredibly important stops when we needed it the most the offense was crap compared the defense
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Post by allnygin on Dec 4, 2022 16:57:45 GMT -5
That’s not explaining your stance. Its because its not real, this scheme is not the issue, not one bit. QB, WR, IOL, are issues. You can't just go out and say WR, IOL are issues and then dismiss them when framing an argument around DJ. I agree with most of the takes on DJ, but you can't have it both ways.
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Post by yoho on Dec 4, 2022 17:02:06 GMT -5
the defense could not stop the run, it allowed Washington to change field position just about every time they touched the ball. Not good, inside backers are horrible. the defense made some incredibly important stops when we needed it the most the offense was crap compared the defense the offense just plain sucks, agreed, we all know this. It’s mostly the interior line and WRs. But the defense has its problems as well, is all I’m saying
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Post by miggs on Dec 4, 2022 17:04:16 GMT -5
Daboll and Kafka's play-calling was to play not to lose. Not only that, but some of the Giants rim plays were not good, and on some pass plays throwing the ball downfield. Jones had to throw the ball into coverage as the receivers had the smallest of windows to catch the ball.
Bt playing not to lose the game, the Giants ended in a tie and their chances to make the play-offs narrowed. However, the Giants are not doomed yet.
Once again, Jones showed his good a QB he is. Jones complete over 70 percent of his passes, and had a game QB rating of 114.
Sure some posters here don't want Jones to return. Fully expect they'll continue to post there nonsense here. Readers would be wise to ignore or give little value not weight to their opinions.
Why Gilbert was in the field when he was terrible in the pre-season defies explanation. Moreau is also not a good. Had a really bad missed tackle, and could have had an interception late in the game, but instead settled for swatting the ball away.
I'm still a Giants fan first and foremost, but I do want to see Kafka can be a good play caller the rest of the season, and to see if the Giants sill re-sign Jones this off season and if they go in another direction I want to see who they sign.
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 4, 2022 17:05:00 GMT -5
Putting aside the silly appeal to authority I didn’t blink because it was Vilma that said it, lol. Also, I don’t recall it, but there’s a good chance I just laughed hahaha he his bumbling isn't he. reminds me of a friendly uncle far past his prime I like JV, his call today was as breezy as I like it to be. Anything is better than listening to Moose Johnson struggle to try to convince us he knows more than just how to properly wear a jockstrap
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 4, 2022 17:05:50 GMT -5
Wait. You don’t think Thibodeaux played well? I think has shown potential but hasn't made the impact I was hoping for a #5 overall pick so far. not close to a pro-bowler yet..hopefully that will change. Some of the players I wanted that were drafted after Thibodeaux had huge games today or better year. What kind of impact are you looking for at #6?
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Post by thetruth on Dec 4, 2022 17:06:22 GMT -5
Its because its not real, this scheme is not the issue, not one bit. QB, WR, IOL, are issues. You can't just go out and say WR, IOL are issues and then dismiss them when framing an argument around DJ. I agree with most of the takes on DJ, but you can't have it both ways. WR - We dont have an X. SLay is a Y, Wandale/James are Z's IOL - we need a RG, and perhaps a OC depending on Gates. Ezedu is fine QB - Jones struggles with post snap processing, ball placement, and pocket awareness. Three skills critical to the position
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 4, 2022 17:07:24 GMT -5
the defense could not stop the run, it allowed Washington to change field position just about every time they touched the ball. Not good, inside backers are horrible. the defense made some incredibly important stops when we needed it the most the offense was crap compared the defense Agreed. They aren't traditionally good but they play hard as hell, and generally come up bigger when the chips are down. Like the opposite of the offense.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 4, 2022 17:08:04 GMT -5
Bottom line is this team is ok when healthy not that good when not at full strength.
That said they are lucky to get out with a Tie. They were chewed up pretty good, both fronts they gave up 165 rushing got killed TOP 41 and change to our 18 and and change thats what I just read 411 yards total offense to 316 the only thing that makes that not look completely disgusting is the sack yards lost.
On offense the only place this team matched Washington was points. Heineken is a nice story but if they had a gun slinger with more then a pop gun arm they could have converted even more
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 4, 2022 17:08:56 GMT -5
Daboll and Kafka's play-calling was to play not to lose. Not only that, but some of the Giants rim plays were not good, and on some pass plays throwing the ball downfield. Jones had to throw the ball into coverage as the receivers had the smallest of windows to catch the ball. Bt playing not to lose the game, the Giants ended in a tie and their chances to make the play-offs narrowed. However, the Giants are not doomed yet. Once again, Jones showed his good a QB he is. Jones complete over 70 percent of his passes, and had a game QB rating of 114. Sure some posters here don't want Jones to return. Fully expect they'll continue to post there nonsense here. Readers would be wise to ignore or give little value not weight to their opinions. Why Gilbert was in the field when he was terrible in the pre-season defies explanation. Moreau is also not a good. Had a really bad missed tackle, and could have had an interception late in the game, but instead settled for swatting the ball away. I'm still a Giants fan first and foremost, but I do want to see Kafka can be a good play caller the rest of the season, and to see if the Giants sill re-sign Jones this off season and if they go in another direction I want to see who they sign. Readers would be wise to ignore or give little value to no weight to the opinions of every single poster always.
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Post by GameTime on Dec 4, 2022 17:11:48 GMT -5
so sick of this offense. How many chances did they have ti score 3 lousy points ? 5 ? 3 chances in OT. ****ing pathetic. they actually suck again on the offense side. the play calling was mediocre, and execution was not particularly good for the most part. they way they handled the series before the half was a joke. Daboll pussed out IMO
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 4, 2022 17:16:23 GMT -5
I literally heard Vilma say "in these situations you dont really want to have the ball in DJ's hands" and none of you blinked. Putting aside the silly appeal to authority I didn’t blink because it was Vilma that said it, lol. Also, I don’t recall it, but there’s a good chance I just laughed I did not hear that at all maybe missed it while having a fit over the crap play calling. I did here him say when he fired that ball into James between 2 defenders thats why he was draft #6 overall he would have completely contradicted himself with those 2 statements . DJ is leaving a lot to the imagination just think if they had the same trust and guts Washington had with Hieneken He might have rewarded them with the win maybe not then you know.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 4, 2022 17:19:06 GMT -5
That’s not explaining your stance. Its because its not real, this scheme is not the issue, not one bit. QB, WR, IOL, are issues. If they got draft those 3 spots top 3 in any order and do nothing for this defense we will be in the same mess they need to fix this defense. It is to easy when it counts with them.
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Post by Giggles on Dec 4, 2022 17:21:58 GMT -5
Its because its not real, this scheme is not the issue, not one bit. QB, WR, IOL, are issues. If they got draft those 3 spots top 3 in any order and do nothing for this defense we will be in the same mess they need to fix this defense. It is to easy when it counts with them. It's not all going to be fixed in one offseason, there are too many holes.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 4, 2022 17:23:42 GMT -5
Just remember….What if Slayton hauled it in? We could also point to Feliciano's bone headed taunting penalty! That would have set up a field goal making it a 10 pt game. Mistakes Happen I didn't get that call we had that crap all day in Texas last week. He was pumping up Slayton they have been letting that go.
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Post by nyg2 on Dec 4, 2022 17:27:14 GMT -5
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Post by thetruth on Dec 4, 2022 17:32:10 GMT -5
Its because its not real, this scheme is not the issue, not one bit. QB, WR, IOL, are issues. If they got draft those 3 spots top 3 in any order and do nothing for this defense we will be in the same mess they need to fix this defense. It is to easy when it counts with them. I would say Inside LB is far and away this teams biggest hole. Also CB considering Winks scheme, personally, id take both over a WR early in the draft
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Post by PennState1 on Dec 4, 2022 17:33:33 GMT -5
I dont know how our fan base can watch that game and not be concerned about what DJ is capable of as it pertains to being a drop back QB. Yeesh, problems galore. But we can choose to ignore that, wont help the Giants. I just want to see him play with real NFL receivers, an upgraded oline in the middle and his TE healthy
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Post by jros on Dec 4, 2022 17:38:15 GMT -5
That’s not explaining your stance. Its because its not real, this scheme is not the issue, not one bit. QB, WR, IOL, are issues. Yeah okay. From an objective point of view, The QB is absolutely not the issue, lol. He’s been very good this year. You have no clue what you’re talking about. The issue is the wr talent with the exception of slayton, who has really stepped up, making critical mistakes at key moments in the game, bad play calling in key moments of the game, and the ol pass blocking. I think the ol has done a pretty good job at run blocking.
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Post by thetruth on Dec 4, 2022 17:41:41 GMT -5
Its because its not real, this scheme is not the issue, not one bit. QB, WR, IOL, are issues. Yeah okay. From an objective point of view, The QB is absolutely not the issue, lol. He’s been very good this year. You have no clue what you’re talking about. The issue is the wr talent with the exception of slayton, who has really stepped up, making critical mistakes at key moments in the game, bad play calling in key moments of the game, and the ol pass blocking. I think the ol has done a pretty good job at run blocking. its funny, every objective stat there exists points to the contrary. Maybe you have some evidence to suggest otherwise?
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Post by nyg2 on Dec 4, 2022 17:41:50 GMT -5
I dont know how our fan base can watch that game and not be concerned about what DJ is capable of as it pertains to being a drop back QB. Yeesh, problems galore. But we can choose to ignore that, wont help the Giants. I just want to see him play with real NFL receivers, an upgraded oline in the middle and his TE healthy So… You want to pay a serviceable QB $30+ million a year? You do realize that you just said you needed 7 positions on the offense either changed or to remain fully healthy throughout the season for you to be capable of coming to a conclusion on Jones?
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