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Post by shocknaweny on Oct 3, 2023 8:51:33 GMT -5
during my time as an NFL fan I've seen lots of teams rebuild the O line in one offseason and look light years ahead of the line we have now, so what is it that is holding the Giants back from accomplishing this, just wondering.... I don't understand this either
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Post by SG88 on Oct 3, 2023 9:01:27 GMT -5
I'm sure Caleb would be amazing behind this line. I'd honestly love to see Jones get traded, tired of seeing him get hit 20 times a game. Sign a veteran QB and rebuild the oline. No one is trading for Jones and that contract.
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Post by Modog on Oct 3, 2023 9:01:44 GMT -5
For reference I'm not black. Are you aware the Giants are the last team to start a black QB? It was Geno Smith in 2018. Ownership is against drafting black QBs or even white QBs with too much baggage.. they much rather have a Qb that looks like he would be an accountant. And sprinkle on some stupidity. Instead of resorting to name calling, showing your lack of intelligence,let's have a debate. I gave you factual data on my claim.
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Post by Nite on Oct 3, 2023 9:10:14 GMT -5
Ya gotta make sure that whoever we draft can reasonable succeed in the NFL. A top 5 pick gives us a good chance...
I would also look at:
- Michael Penix Jr
- Bo Nix
- Jackson Dart
- Sam Hartman
For starters
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Post by Nite on Oct 3, 2023 9:11:14 GMT -5
I'm sure Caleb would be amazing behind this line. I'd honestly love to see Jones get traded, tired of seeing him get hit 20 times a game. Sign a veteran QB and rebuild the oline. No one is trading for Jones and that contract. Unless it is restructured. Nothing is going to happen until the trade deadline at the earliest
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Post by southerner on Oct 3, 2023 9:14:44 GMT -5
I'm sure Caleb would be amazing behind this line. I'd honestly love to see Jones get traded, tired of seeing him get hit 20 times a game. Sign a veteran QB and rebuild the oline. Yes. There are tons of teams lining up to pay a mediocre QB lots of money while the Giants eat $70-81M in dead cap. Makes sense. No, the Giants can get out after next season pretty cheaply and with a QB on a rookie contract, they would be just fine. While Jones contracts reads large, only a portion is guaranteed…..it is really a two year deal.
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Post by Nite on Oct 3, 2023 9:15:14 GMT -5
We seriously need to clean out the FO COMPLETELY from the Fudge years and start from there. That means ANY Mara connection has to go. Then from that point we can see what Schoen and his people can really do. I suspect he has been held back by the dinosaurs and relics from 1975
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Post by southerner on Oct 3, 2023 9:15:27 GMT -5
during my time as an NFL fan I've seen lots of teams rebuild the O line in one offseason and look light years ahead of the line we have now, so what is it that is holding the Giants back from accomplishing this, just wondering.... I don't understand this either They draft poorly and Coach even worse.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 3, 2023 9:16:26 GMT -5
I'm sure Caleb would be amazing behind this line. I'd honestly love to see Jones get traded, tired of seeing him get hit 20 times a game. Sign a veteran QB and rebuild the oline. They won't cut him till 2025.
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Post by shocknaweny on Oct 3, 2023 9:17:28 GMT -5
I'm sure Caleb would be amazing behind this line. I'd honestly love to see Jones get traded, tired of seeing him get hit 20 times a game. Sign a veteran QB and rebuild the oline. They won't cut him till 2025. I can't look at his face anymore
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Post by bigbluerekncrew on Oct 3, 2023 9:17:56 GMT -5
And sprinkle on some stupidity. Instead of resorting to name calling, showing your lack of intelligence,let's have a debate. I gave you factual data on my claim. No you stated your personal observation and drew how you perceived the meaning of it. Hardly factual at all. Perception is reality walks hand in hand with Assumption is the mother of all f*** ups
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 3, 2023 9:28:42 GMT -5
I'm sure Caleb would be amazing behind this line. I'd honestly love to see Jones get traded, tired of seeing him get hit 20 times a game. Sign a veteran QB and rebuild the oline. No one is trading for Jones and that contract. depending on where they draft. I think Jones will be a Giant next year and the rookie will sit until he is ready to play and they can be sure the OL is competent enough that he won't get destroyed. The only other choice they have is to wether the storm try to make things better in front of Jones and let try win the niners way get a great team around a guy who can win with protection. I think the latter ship has sailed guys in the league are now bashing Jones on the regular it can't be good for his head Armstead on the Niners is back at it actually Mocking him for not giving them the opportunity to pick him several times.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 3, 2023 9:29:29 GMT -5
They won't cut him till 2025. I can't look at his face anymore If they could next year they would just not working cap wise.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Oct 3, 2023 9:37:14 GMT -5
And sprinkle on some stupidity. Instead of resorting to name calling, showing your lack of intelligence,let's have a debate. I gave you factual data on my claim. The fact the Giants haven’t drafted an African American QB doesn’t validate your absurd, and unsubstantiated, claim that the Mara’s are against drafting African American QBs. And there’s nothing “factual” about guessing about the Mara’s philosophies and guessing about the future. It’s nothing but drivel that projects your idiocy and possible racist undertones. You’re coming across as a schmuck.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Oct 3, 2023 9:40:07 GMT -5
Yes. There are tons of teams lining up to pay a mediocre QB lots of money while the Giants eat $70-81M in dead cap. Makes sense. No, the Giants can get out after next season pretty cheaply and with a QB on a rookie contract, they would be just fine. While Jones contracts reads large, only a portion is guaranteed…..it is really a two year deal. That has nothing to do with other poster’s desire to trade Jones now. But thanks for trying.
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Post by lasion2 on Oct 3, 2023 10:24:04 GMT -5
Tank for two years to build an actual team. Why ruin a perfectly good qb with this crap team? KC/Seattle method. Team first, wait for qb.
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Post by Modog on Oct 3, 2023 10:44:12 GMT -5
Instead of resorting to name calling, showing your lack of intelligence,let's have a debate. I gave you factual data on my claim. The fact the Giants haven’t drafted an African American QB doesn’t validate your absurd, and unsubstantiated, claim that the Mara’s are against drafting African American QBs. And there’s nothing “factual” about guessing about the Mara’s philosophies and guessing about the future. It’s nothing but drivel that projects your idiocy and possible racist undertones. You’re coming across as a schmuck. It is a fact The Giants are the last team to start an African American QB. Geno Smith in 2018. It is a fact the Giants have never drafted a black qb. Sure I am making presumations about ownership not wanting a black QB as the face of the franchise. But you cannot deny those facts can you?
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Post by Danke Schoen on Oct 3, 2023 10:48:03 GMT -5
The fact the Giants haven’t drafted an African American QB doesn’t validate your absurd, and unsubstantiated, claim that the Mara’s are against drafting African American QBs. And there’s nothing “factual” about guessing about the Mara’s philosophies and guessing about the future. It’s nothing but drivel that projects your idiocy and possible racist undertones. You’re coming across as a schmuck. Sure I am making presumations about ownership… End of discussion
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Post by Dogecoin on Oct 3, 2023 12:24:36 GMT -5
This team doesn't need to go out of it's way to tank, they're doing a good job of losing already ...and bears or someone else will end up losing more than us anyway. No team that drafts first will pass on him.
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Post by southerner on Oct 3, 2023 13:10:21 GMT -5
This team doesn't need to go out of its way to tank, they're doing a good job of losing already ...and bears or someone else will end up losing more than us anyway. No team that drafts first will pass on him. No team in the NFL is worse than the Giants…..and the two that are right now, Carolina and Chicago have easy schedules……..the Giants are looking at a 2-15 season and is one of the favorites now to get the first pick………the Giants would also take a QB at 2 (Maye of UNC)…..
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Post by Dogecoin on Oct 3, 2023 13:28:05 GMT -5
This team doesn't need to go out of its way to tank, they're doing a good job of losing already ...and bears or someone else will end up losing more than us anyway. No team that drafts first will pass on him. No team in the NFL is worse than the Giants…..and the two that are right now, Carolina and Chicago have easy schedules……..the Giants are looking at a 2-15 season and is one of the favorites now to get the first pick………the Giants would also take a QB at 2 (Maye of UNC)….. be interesting to see what Panthers do if they draft 1st, with the early returns on Bryce Young looking like a miss. My bet they try moving young for a 2nd, worst case settle for 4th, and take Williams
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Post by imgrate on Oct 3, 2023 13:30:17 GMT -5
I love this absurdity. Explain “how to tank.” Thanks. Step 1: Be in the NFC East Step 2: Start Evan Neal at RT and Daniel Jones at QB Wait a second…
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Post by imgrate on Oct 3, 2023 13:38:09 GMT -5
during my time as an NFL fan I've seen lots of teams rebuild the O line in one offseason and look light years ahead of the line we have now, so what is it that is holding the Giants back from accomplishing this, just wondering.... I don't understand this either I honestly think a large part of it is QB play combined with below average talent on the OL. The last 8 years or so, we had statue Eli (who needed a perfect OL and perfect WRs to succeed at the end of his career; and was very much used to a downfield attack with many long developing plays) and now have DJ, who in my opinion is just not quick at processing what and where to go after the snap. This especially comes into play when he faces pressure early in a game, when he then is in a panic mode and doesnt keep his cool, assuming all plays will have quick pressure.
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Post by lt56 on Oct 3, 2023 14:25:14 GMT -5
Caleb is a Thrill to watch however I don't even think we can get the Number 1 Pick even if we tried to Tank for it on purpose
Also Caleb is in no rush to go Pro, he is already making Millions so he can afford to sit back and see who gets the #1 Pick and Determine if he wants to play for that Organization or not
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 3, 2023 15:47:21 GMT -5
No team in the NFL is worse than the Giants…..and the two that are right now, Carolina and Chicago have easy schedules……..the Giants are looking at a 2-15 season and is one of the favorites now to get the first pick………the Giants would also take a QB at 2 (Maye of UNC)….. be interesting to see what Panthers do if they draft 1st, with the early returns on Bryce Young looking like a miss. My bet they try moving young for a 2nd, worst case settle for 4th, and take Williams what, a miss on Bryce Young lol?
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Post by jb456 on Oct 3, 2023 20:36:03 GMT -5
We can't endure another year of this. Take our losses this season. End this please. Even with a rookie QB, Jones is a $49 million cap hit next year. Can't make this shit up! It’s one year and can be cut after 24, that contract has flexibility. They can draft a QB if a good one is available and it it won’t be that bad.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Oct 3, 2023 20:58:04 GMT -5
Lol, I don't even know that I am confident this organization will make the right high draft picks even if they have them, or lower draft picks either for that matter, unless recent performances improve drastically. Sooner than later.
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Post by southerner on Oct 4, 2023 5:15:26 GMT -5
Tank for two years to build an actual team. Why ruin a perfectly good qb with this crap team? KC/Seattle method. Team first, wait for qb. If they can get Caleb Williams or UNC QB Maye in the 2024 draft they will leap at it…..there is no question about that. As we have seen, the Giants need to build their offensive line and defense, but unless a team has a real franchise QB, they will not win……and right now the Giants do not have a franchise QB.
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Post by snyder55 on Oct 4, 2023 5:37:16 GMT -5
Well this is dripping with dumb. For reference I'm not black. Are you aware the Giants are the last team to start a black QB? It was Geno Smith in 2018. Ownership is against drafting black QBs or even white QBs with too much baggage.. they much rather have a Qb that looks like he would be an accountant. the days of color being an issue with a player in the NFL are long over, talent trumps color...
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Post by bluebuddha on Oct 4, 2023 6:53:18 GMT -5
For reference I'm not black. Are you aware the Giants are the last team to start a black QB? It was Geno Smith in 2018. Ownership is against drafting black QBs or even white QBs with too much baggage.. they much rather have a Qb that looks like he would be an accountant. the days of color being an issue with a player in the NFL are long over, talent trumps color... Didn't the NFL some some teams just get sued by a ex coach because of how they were scheduling certain coaches to fit the Rooney rule with no intent to hire them?
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