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Post by umenyiouranidiot on Oct 8, 2023 8:51:22 GMT -5
Who's to say he doesn't end up a bust? Or just as rough as Jones? I don't think you ever lose a game on purpose, that's just not an option. Not a possibility. What's meant to be will be.
We may try our best and end up getting a top 5 pick, that's fine. Top 10 pick, eh. Finishing this season just barely missing the playoffs would be worst case scenario with a mid-round pick.
But you just don't lose games on purpose. No.
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Post by redeyejedi on Oct 8, 2023 10:44:08 GMT -5
We can't endure another year of this. Take our losses this season. End this please. The Giants aren't bad enough to pick in the top 3.
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Post by southerner on Oct 8, 2023 10:57:51 GMT -5
We can't endure another year of this. Take our losses this season. End this please. The Giants aren't bad enough to pick in the top 3. Oh hell yes they are…..they are pitiful enough to pick first…..their offensive line is the worst in the NFL for decades.
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 8, 2023 11:00:30 GMT -5
Forget a QB! Our roster needs remain very deep. Wherever we draft, our #1 can bring back additional draft capital that can be put to use on the OL. We seem to need at least 3 starters there. This is it for Jones if they crash and burn. I honestly don't think it is for a couple reasons. His contract is pretty big and lots of guaranteed money, too soon to get out of that. I don't think we will have the top pick, or even a top 5 pick and this QB class doesn't seem great to me. The biggest factor IMO is that if he was the only thing wrong I would agree, but he is far from the only issue. This team has nothing going for it right now and a new QB would not change that. If this was the Jets with one gaping hole at QB I'd agree.
The real question, that will influence any personnel decision, is how much of a leash will the owners give Schoen and Daboll? The last 3 coaches had tiny leashes and were gone before they could change anything (even if they were capable). Does starting with a new QB extend that leash a little? Maybe. Does casting off your $40m/year QB after 1 season of that contract shorten that leash? Maybe.
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 8, 2023 11:02:07 GMT -5
Oh hell yes they are…..they are pitiful enough to pick first….. their offensive line is the worst in the NFL for decades. LMAO. You crack me up man.
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Post by McCherry on Oct 8, 2023 11:14:28 GMT -5
This is it for Jones if they crash and burn. I honestly don't think it is for a couple reasons. His contract is pretty big and lots of guaranteed money, too soon to get out of that. I don't think we will have the top pick, or even a top 5 pick and this QB class doesn't seem great to me. The biggest factor IMO is that if he was the only thing wrong I would agree, but he is far from the only issue. This team has nothing going for it right now and a new QB would not change that. If this was the Jets with one gaping hole at QB I'd agree.
The real question, that will influence any personnel decision, is how much of a leash will the owners give Schoen and Daboll? The last 3 coaches had tiny leashes and were gone before they could change anything (even if they were capable). Does starting with a new QB extend that leash a little? Maybe. Does casting off your $40m/year QB after 1 season of that contract shorten that leash? Maybe.
The Giants have an escape hatch after the 2024 season. They can cut ties with Jones to create $21.5 million in cap savings while eating $18 million in dead money. It’s not ideal to eat $18 million in dead money, but with a projected $282 million salary cap in 2025, the Giants could absorb that hit if they’re compelled to dump Jones.Schoen is no dummy, this was intentional. If Jones continues to flame out and the Giants end up with a high draft pick, they'll have to take a QB this coming draft. Taylor's contract is up, this is the perfect opportunity. You can't go into next year with a QB who lost his confidence and nobody believes in. Daboll has to win in 2024, it would be career suicide not to give himself another option at QB.
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Post by gumby on Oct 8, 2023 14:21:32 GMT -5
Take DJ out of the game.
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Post by DJones19 on Oct 8, 2023 14:26:06 GMT -5
Hopefully Caleb's mere presence on the sideline can help with the 15 yards a carry we're giving up defense.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Oct 8, 2023 14:28:36 GMT -5
Hopefully Caleb's mere presence on the sideline can help with the 15 yards a carry we're giving up defense. Bet he wouldn't be outscored relative to his defence against the phins. And that'd wed have more to show with a 3-0 TO differential. But Jones is your guy and he don't make mistakes. We get it
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Post by DJones19 on Oct 8, 2023 14:36:59 GMT -5
Hopefully Caleb's mere presence on the sideline can help with the 15 yards a carry we're giving up defense. Bet he wouldn't be outscored relative to his defence against the phins. And that'd wed have more to show with a 3-0 TO differential. But Jones is your guy and he don't make mistakes. We get it Been able to watch Caleb this week and really like his game, wouldn't be against selecting him if the opportunity is there. Just not happy with the state of the team.
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Post by GameTime on Oct 8, 2023 15:24:01 GMT -5
Haha you must be a new Giants fan. Maras will never draft a black QB. They much rather draft another guy that looks like Eli Manning (without playing like him) uncalled for comnent keep the race issues off this part of the board please
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Post by jros on Oct 8, 2023 16:09:53 GMT -5
Honest question. Am I the only one that doesn't think Caleb Williams is the next Trevor Lawrence? I really don't think he is that amazing. USC is the west coast version of Ohio state and I don't trust any QB coming from there. It's easy to shine in college when you have an amazing OL and WRs. You're alone on an island. I'm not saying this is you, but Daniel Jones fans are notorious for throwing shade at QB prospects and even current league QBs to help boost him up. I hope for your sake that's not what you're doing here. There is way more bias against jones than there is for him.
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Post by jros on Oct 8, 2023 16:19:16 GMT -5
Hopefully Caleb's mere presence on the sideline can help with the 15 yards a carry we're giving up defense. Bet he wouldn't be outscored relative to his defence against the phins. And that'd wed have more to show with a 3-0 TO differential. But Jones is your guy and he don't make mistakes. We get it I just wish Caleb or another qb that people thought was really good could play for giants right now and then people would shut the hell up about jones. The giants offense would be the same.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 8, 2023 16:37:09 GMT -5
Haha you must be a new Giants fan. Maras will never draft a black QB. They much rather draft another guy that looks like Eli Manning (without playing like him) uncalled for comnent keep the race issues off this part of the board please I was wondering why he was one of 3 or 4 people I have blocked, now I remember why.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 8, 2023 16:40:20 GMT -5
You're alone on an island. I'm not saying this is you, but Daniel Jones fans are notorious for throwing shade at QB prospects and even current league QBs to help boost him up. I hope for your sake that's not what you're doing here. There is way more bias against jones than there is for him. Bias implies unfairness. There is little bias against Jones, the bulk of his play over the last 5 years confirms that.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 8, 2023 16:41:47 GMT -5
Bet he wouldn't be outscored relative to his defence against the phins. And that'd wed have more to show with a 3-0 TO differential. But Jones is your guy and he don't make mistakes. We get it I just wish Caleb or another qb that people thought was really good could play for giants right now and then people would shut the hell up about jones. The giants offense would be the same. Is that why the back up QB stepped in and moved the ball more efficiently in a few drives than Jones did all game?
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Post by DJones19 on Oct 8, 2023 17:20:08 GMT -5
I hear Caleb wears nail polish. Some of his fits on game day make Kayvon look like Mr. Rodgers.
Are the Giants ready for this guy or someone like Maye - a buttoned down tailored-suit guy from the South who looks like a distant relative of the Mannings?
Will Caleb agree to play for the Giants? His camp said it would be better to not get drafted than go to a bad team and that he can make more money staying in college.
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Post by Kase1 on Oct 8, 2023 18:22:49 GMT -5
I hear Caleb wears nail polish. Some of his fits on game day make Kayvon look like Mr. Rodgers. Are the Giants ready for this guy or someone like Maye - a buttoned down tailored-suit guy from the South who looks like a distant relative of the Mannings? Will Caleb agree to play for the Giants? His camp said it would be better to not get drafted than go to a bad team and that he can make more money staying in college. Who gives a shit how he dresses or if he wears nail polish, can he win us games?? We want to win, we don't need 53 altar boys
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Post by TCHOF on Oct 8, 2023 18:36:08 GMT -5
With USMCVET gone, a lot of people vying for the open position of Board Buffoon
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Post by Rangers13 on Oct 8, 2023 22:05:14 GMT -5
If these endorsement deals are for real, it really could change the draft landscape. The players have to declare yet could see a junior stay in school.
I think a Chicago, Ny or New England could be more appealing than a Arizona
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Post by jros on Oct 8, 2023 22:16:50 GMT -5
I just wish Caleb or another qb that people thought was really good could play for giants right now and then people would shut the hell up about jones. The giants offense would be the same. Is that why the back up QB stepped in and moved the ball more efficiently in a few drives than Jones did all game? Lol dude. Really? The back up comes in a makes a few plays and that makes him better than jones. Do you hear yourself? How about you let tyrod play for a whole game with way the oline played today. You will get your wish with jones injury but what the hell is with this hatred towards jones.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 8, 2023 22:18:37 GMT -5
I hear Caleb wears nail polish. Some of his fits on game day make Kayvon look like Mr. Rodgers. Are the Giants ready for this guy or someone like Maye - a buttoned down tailored-suit guy from the South who looks like a distant relative of the Mannings? Will Caleb agree to play for the Giants? His camp said it would be better to not get drafted than go to a bad team and that he can make more money staying in college. Maye all day I haven't seen anything spectacular from Caleb the few games I saw him play lol and most recent Saturday..... keep trusting them Usc jokers lol......
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Post by vinnie on Oct 8, 2023 22:50:37 GMT -5
Is that why the back up QB stepped in and moved the ball more efficiently in a few drives than Jones did all game? Lol dude. Really? The back up comes in a makes a few plays and that makes him better than jones. Do you hear yourself? How about you let tyrod play for a whole game with way the oline played today. You will get your wish with jones injury but what the hell is with this hatred towards jones. For the time he was in, he played better than Jones, did he not? Reminds me of DJ fans cherry picking one half of football, or a few games out of 17 or 1-2 seasons out of 5 to defend how good he is. Hypocrite much? How is saying he’s not a franchise QB hating him? WTF is it with you DJ jock sniffers, can a fan not be critical of the most important position and highest paid player on the field without being accused of “hating” him. Here’s a newsflash for you. Saying DJ sucks isn’t hating him, that’s the truth or someone’s opinion. Saying “I hate DJ, he’s a worthless POS and is a scumbag” is hating. Learn the difference before you start making bullshit accusations. And I’m sure we’ll have the same record with Tyrod as we would have with Jones, but with less sacks and a few more completions. Of course then we’llhnear more excuses about who we played, who was on the O line, blah blah blah…like Jones NEVER had opportunities.
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Post by Modog on Oct 8, 2023 23:03:30 GMT -5
I hear Caleb wears nail polish. Some of his fits on game day make Kayvon look like Mr. Rodgers. Are the Giants ready for this guy or someone like Maye - a buttoned down tailored-suit guy from the South who looks like a distant relative of the Mannings? Will Caleb agree to play for the Giants? His camp said it would be better to not get drafted than go to a bad team and that he can make more money staying in college. You make a good point. Knowing how the Giants operate they will be hesitant to draft Caleb Williams. But the "from down south, buttoned shirt guy, who looks like he could be a Manning" .... Sounds exactly like what ownership would want .... In fact that's why DJ is here in the first place! But unlike DJ, Drake Maye has much higher draft stock coming out. I would be ecstatic if we got either Williams or Maye
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Post by giantbob71 on Oct 9, 2023 0:05:50 GMT -5
Honest question. Am I the only one that doesn't think Caleb Williams is the next Trevor Lawrence? I really don't think he is that amazing. USC is the west coast version of Ohio state and I don't trust any QB coming from there. It's easy to shine in college when you have an amazing OL and WRs. Once again...no clue. Lincoln Riley doesn't run a west coast offense. He's a former Texas Tech guy who runs the Art Briles/air raid, which means he likes to run the ball more than a typical air raid. Williams runs close to the same offense Mahomes ran in college under Kingsbury. Don't think Caleb Williams is good...Youtube the Red River Rivalry when CW was a TRUE freshman. Then wins the Heisman as a sophomore. He'll be back in NY this year. He's Mahomes (in college), but faster and with more wiggle. Some here need to realize that the best thing that ever happened to Mahomes was Andy Reid. Mahomes was a gun slinger in college, had a terrible defense, and pretty much had to score on every possession to win games. Reid didn't bottle him up to fit a conservative system. Had Mahomes been drafted by a Billichek type coach/team...he's probably a failure in the NFL. Reid let him scramble, throw sidearm, throw no-look passes, and just be himself. Williams wouldn't be successful in this Daniel Jones offense...but Daboll wouldn't run this offense with CW. The Giants current offense is built for a game manager, who can run.
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Post by southerner on Oct 9, 2023 6:46:17 GMT -5
The Giants can start negotiating with Caleb Williams now, and in addition they can start speaking to Lincoln Riley about being the Giants new HC. There is zero chance this Giants team wins another game this season…we are set up for Caleb Williams.
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Post by lt56 on Oct 9, 2023 13:19:40 GMT -5
...totally get why people are pushing for him, the hype is real
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Post by jaymas on Oct 9, 2023 13:26:13 GMT -5
Caleb Williams is most likely going to be very very good.
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Post by jaymas on Oct 9, 2023 13:26:35 GMT -5
...totally get why people are pushing for him, the hype is real Yeah, that is...one hell of a play.
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Post by jaymas on Oct 9, 2023 13:27:26 GMT -5
No one is going to tank. But if this season ends up continuing on the path it's going on and they somehow ended up with the first overall pick, yeah you gotta take this guy.
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