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Post by DonnieYen on Mar 27, 2024 8:22:53 GMT -5
People that are saying JJ McCarthy is a Reach early in the First Round and isn't good these people saying this don't know anything about Football. He is one of the top QBS in the draft and has a strong accurate arm and can run. This narrative that he is no good or on a not so good level with Mitch Truibisky is false.
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Post by Martin on Mar 27, 2024 8:27:07 GMT -5
People that are saying JJ McCarthy is a Reach early in the First Round and isn't good these people saying this don't know anything about Football. He is one of the top QBS in the draft and has a strong accurate arm and can run. This narrative that he is no good or on a not so good level with Mitch Truibisky is false. I only saw him play 2x. I thought he was good but my sample size is small. This time of year there's lots of hype going on. What do you like about him to think he is our guy?
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Post by ratbastich on Mar 27, 2024 8:35:01 GMT -5
People that are saying JJ McCarthy is a Reach early in the First Round and isn't good these people saying this don't know anything about Football. He is one of the top QBS in the draft and has a strong accurate arm and can run. This narrative that he is no good or on a not so good level with Mitch Truibisky is false. Most are saying this because the sample size is small. He did what he was asked to do but hasn't been in the fire like some of the other quarterbacks so there is no film on what he will do in various situations. For a position where no one quite knows how any of them will transition to the NFL he has even less tape which makes it even more difficult to tell. Not saying he won't be good or better but no one knows what he is going to be based off of his history. For him, it is even more of a crapshoot. I will say though, if Schoen and Daboll think he is the guy then they need to find a way to get him, but...they are also hitching their wagons to him. Their futures will be tied to him if they get him and there is no doubt about it.
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Post by cdngfan on Mar 27, 2024 8:55:06 GMT -5
If 90% of your opinion is from watching JJ play in games, then you know nothing.
You can have an opinion, what’s the point of being on a message board without opinions. But let’s not pretend we have the faintest idea of what we’re talking about.
We’re picking lottery numbers and arguing about who picked the right ones before the draw.
NFL teams invest tens of millions of dollars into accurately predicting what a player will be in the NFL, and for 1st rd QBs in particular they get it wrong 60-70% of the time.
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Post by bavarobeast on Mar 27, 2024 9:11:19 GMT -5
People that are saying JJ McCarthy is a Reach early in the First Round and isn't good these people saying this don't know anything about Football. He is one of the top QBS in the draft and has a strong accurate arm and can run. This narrative that he is no good or on a not so good level with Mitch Truibisky is false. There is a lot of tunnel vision and close mindedness on this board regarding JJ.The sample size excuse is lame but exists. Here is what I focus on that others have a hard time digesting. He lead his high school team outside Chicago to a state championship. He led IMG to a national high school championship. He led Michigan to two Big Ten championships He led Michigan to the college football championship. His record at Michigan and IMG is 35 - 1 He has a strong arm, ( 61 mph second only to Joe Milton 62mph ) Accuracy ( 72% completion rate last season ) Escapability and is a very good runner as well as throws well on the run. Good Decision Maker 22 TD’s only 4 interceptions ( 3 in one game early in the season and 2 of those were blamed on his WR’s not making the right read) Tough - former hockey player Great Character - Role Model - Face of a franchise dude. Some people want to erase that because of what they perceive as a small sample = DUMB He’s gone from a second round prediction in January to a possible 2nd or 3rd choice in the first round. Why? Because teams have figured it out. They watched his tape - his combine - his Pro Day - his interview. Haters are gonna hate doubters are gonna doubt. The thing I like most is a lot of those folks have seen the light and they have opened their eyes to what the guy brings to the table. The others are who they are. For one reason or another they just don’t get it.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Mar 27, 2024 9:15:39 GMT -5
If 90% of your opinion is from watching JJ play in games, then you know nothing. You can have an opinion, what’s the point of being on a message board without opinions. But let’s not pretend we have the faintest idea of what we’re talking about. We’re picking lottery numbers and arguing about who picked the right ones before the draw. NFL teams invest tens of millions of dollars into accurately predicting what a player will be in the NFL, and for 1st rd QBs in particular they get it wrong 60-70% of the time. *mic drop*
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Post by inthezone on Mar 27, 2024 9:21:01 GMT -5
It's a shame Michigan played suck a easy schedule to give themselves the best shot at a title. Look at what happened 2 years ago when the Giants had an easy schedule since it faked out their experts at scouting into thinking Jones was good. The same can be true with McCarthy.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 27, 2024 9:23:45 GMT -5
People that are saying JJ McCarthy is a Reach early in the First Round and isn't good these people saying this don't know anything about Football. He is one of the top QBS in the draft and has a strong accurate arm and can run. This narrative that he is no good or on a not so good level with Mitch Truibisky is false. I would draft Taulia Tagovailoa
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Post by bavarobeast on Mar 27, 2024 9:27:39 GMT -5
It's a shame Michigan played suck a easy schedule to give themselves the best shot at a title. Look at what happened 2 years ago when the Giants had an easy schedule since it faked out their experts at scouting into thinking Jones was good. The same can be true with McCarthy. Nice try 😀 Read up…… Penn State, Ohio State, Alabama and Washington are the victories that propelled them to a National Championship. They had a cupcake schedule the first part of the year no denying it. Yet they slayed every team they faced including the best teams in the country. Try again 😉
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Post by straightrazorman on Mar 27, 2024 9:29:42 GMT -5
People that are saying JJ McCarthy is a Reach early in the First Round and isn't good these people saying this don't know anything about Football. He is one of the top QBS in the draft and has a strong accurate arm and can run. This narrative that he is no good or on a not so good level with Mitch Truibisky is false. There is a lot of tunnel vision and close mindedness on this board regarding JJ.The sample size excuse is lame but exists. Here is what I focus on that others have a hard time digesting. He lead his high school team outside Chicago to a state championship. He led IMG to a national high school championship. He led Michigan to two Big Ten championships He led Michigan to the college football championship. His record at Michigan and IMG is 35 - 1 He has a strong arm, ( 61 mph second only to Joe Milton 62mph ) Accuracy ( 72% completion rate last season ) Escapability and is a very good runner as well as throws well on the run. Good Decision Maker 22 TD’s only 4 interceptions ( 3 in one game early in the season and 2 of those were blamed on his WR’s not making the right read) Tough - former hockey player Great Character - Role Model - Face of a franchise dude. Some people want to erase that because of what they perceive as a small sample = DUMB He’s gone from a second round prediction in January to a possible 2nd or 3rd choice in the first round. Why? Because teams have figured it out. They watched his tape - his combine - his Pro Day - his interview. Haters are gonna hate doubters are gonna doubt. The thing I like most is a lot of those folks have seen the light and they have opened their eyes to what the guy brings to the table. The others are who they are. For one reason or another they just don’t get it. None of this necessarily translates into success at the NFL level, but what do I know? I'm living under a rock standing on a mountain (oxymoron?) pounding my chest with ignorance. The fact is that Straightrazorman doesn't pound the chest!
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Post by bavarobeast on Mar 27, 2024 9:31:29 GMT -5
People that are saying JJ McCarthy is a Reach early in the First Round and isn't good these people saying this don't know anything about Football. He is one of the top QBS in the draft and has a strong accurate arm and can run. This narrative that he is no good or on a not so good level with Mitch Truibisky is false. I would draft Taulia Tagovailoa The guy can’t handle pressure and has limited escapability. If he can just sit in the pocket with time he is very accurate and goes through his reads efficiently. Kinda like Rattler. That’s why neither is considered a top prospect. But neither was Purdy so……..ya never know.
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Post by DJones19 on Mar 27, 2024 9:32:42 GMT -5
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Phill Simms doesn't know football? Simms says JJ at 6 is a reach.
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Post by inthezone on Mar 27, 2024 9:33:08 GMT -5
It's a shame Michigan played suck a easy schedule to give themselves the best shot at a title. Look at what happened 2 years ago when the Giants had an easy schedule since it faked out their experts at scouting into thinking Jones was good. The same can be true with McCarthy. Nice try 😀 Read up…… Penn State, Ohio State, Alabama and Washington are the victories that propelled them to a National Championship. They had a cupcake schedule the first part of the year no denying it. Yet they slayed every team they faced including the best teams in the country. Try again 😉 No need to try again since I nailed it. Sorry this hurts your feelings so much for some reason and I hope you'll be able to get over it.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 27, 2024 9:33:37 GMT -5
Good, bad and sometimes he just handed the ball off.
Idk, this play was overturned due to the defender stepping out of bounds yet watch it, think he could have planted his feet and stopped rolling out? He shortened his own field. Only one play yet he’s lucky that wasn’t a turnover to start Championship
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Post by bavarobeast on Mar 27, 2024 9:34:39 GMT -5
There is a lot of tunnel vision and close mindedness on this board regarding JJ.The sample size excuse is lame but exists. Here is what I focus on that others have a hard time digesting. He lead his high school team outside Chicago to a state championship. He led IMG to a national high school championship. He led Michigan to two Big Ten championships He led Michigan to the college football championship. His record at Michigan and IMG is 35 - 1 He has a strong arm, ( 61 mph second only to Joe Milton 62mph ) Accuracy ( 72% completion rate last season ) Escapability and is a very good runner as well as throws well on the run. Good Decision Maker 22 TD’s only 4 interceptions ( 3 in one game early in the season and 2 of those were blamed on his WR’s not making the right read) Tough - former hockey player Great Character - Role Model - Face of a franchise dude. Some people want to erase that because of what they perceive as a small sample = DUMB He’s gone from a second round prediction in January to a possible 2nd or 3rd choice in the first round. Why? Because teams have figured it out. They watched his tape - his combine - his Pro Day - his interview. Haters are gonna hate doubters are gonna doubt. The thing I like most is a lot of those folks have seen the light and they have opened their eyes to what the guy brings to the table. The others are who they are. For one reason or another they just don’t get it. None of this necessarily translates into success at the NFL level, but what do I know? I'm living under a rock standing on a mountain (oxymoron?) pounding my chest with ignorance. The fact is that Straightrazorman doesn't pound the chest! Ok, so what does translate to success for you? Caleb folding with USC last year does that translate to success and the #1 pick.
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Post by GameTime on Mar 27, 2024 9:35:08 GMT -5
There is a lot of tunnel vision and close mindedness on this board regarding JJ.The sample size excuse is lame but exists. Here is what I focus on that others have a hard time digesting. He lead his high school team outside Chicago to a state championship. He led IMG to a national high school championship. He led Michigan to two Big Ten championships He led Michigan to the college football championship. His record at Michigan and IMG is 35 - 1 He has a strong arm, ( 61 mph second only to Joe Milton 62mph ) Accuracy ( 72% completion rate last season ) Escapability and is a very good runner as well as throws well on the run. Good Decision Maker 22 TD’s only 4 interceptions ( 3 in one game early in the season and 2 of those were blamed on his WR’s not making the right read) Tough - former hockey player Great Character - Role Model - Face of a franchise dude. Some people want to erase that because of what they perceive as a small sample = DUMB He’s gone from a second round prediction in January to a possible 2nd or 3rd choice in the first round. Why? Because teams have figured it out. They watched his tape - his combine - his Pro Day - his interview. Haters are gonna hate doubters are gonna doubt. The thing I like most is a lot of those folks have seen the light and they have opened their eyes to what the guy brings to the table. The others are who they are. For one reason or another they just don’t get it. None of this necessarily translates into success at the NFL level, but what do I know? I'm living under a rock standing on a mountain (oxymoron?) pounding my chest with ignorance. The fact is that Straightrazorman doesn't pound the chest! it may not translate but what other data do you have to go on?
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 27, 2024 9:37:34 GMT -5
I would draft Taulia Tagovailoa The guy can’t handle pressure and has limited escapability. If he can just sit in the pocket with time he is very accurate and goes through his reads efficiently. Kinda like Rattler. That’s why neither is considered a top prospect. But neither was Purdy so……..ya never know. donnie yen is the top Taulia fan in the nation
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Post by bavarobeast on Mar 27, 2024 9:39:44 GMT -5
" Phill Simms doesn't know football? Simms says JJ at 6 is a reach. For every person that feels he’s a reach there are others that think he’s worth a trade up into the top 5. I’m a Phil Simms fan so I’m gonna have to respect his opinion even if I don’t agree with it. Simms is the best QB in Giants history. If we draft JJ that may not be the case 10 years from now…..🤔
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Post by bavarobeast on Mar 27, 2024 9:40:48 GMT -5
The guy can’t handle pressure and has limited escapability. If he can just sit in the pocket with time he is very accurate and goes through his reads efficiently. Kinda like Rattler. That’s why neither is considered a top prospect. But neither was Purdy so……..ya never know. donnie yen is the top Taulia fan in the nation That fun fact got by me. My apologies 👍
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Post by DonnieYen on Mar 27, 2024 9:42:14 GMT -5
People that are saying JJ McCarthy is a Reach early in the First Round and isn't good these people saying this don't know anything about Football. He is one of the top QBS in the draft and has a strong accurate arm and can run. This narrative that he is no good or on a not so good level with Mitch Truibisky is false. I only saw him play 2x. I thought he was good but my sample size is small. This time of year there's lots of hype going on. What do you like about him to think he is our guy? strong accurate arm he can throw it into tight spaces kind of like Eli To Manningham in the SB and he's an athlete and he proved he can be a big game player rise to the occasion didn't he win a big championship game with Michigan last year?
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 27, 2024 9:43:30 GMT -5
" Phill Simms doesn't know football? Simms says JJ at 6 is a reach. yet Simms says if he doesn’t go in the top 10 it’s an upset
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Post by inthezone on Mar 27, 2024 9:48:36 GMT -5
None of this necessarily translates into success at the NFL level, but what do I know? I'm living under a rock standing on a mountain (oxymoron?) pounding my chest with ignorance. The fact is that Straightrazorman doesn't pound the chest! it may not translate but what other data do you have to go on? The data so far says to stay a way from any QBs bavarobeast thinks are good.
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Post by inthezone on Mar 27, 2024 9:49:16 GMT -5
" Phill Simms doesn't know football? Simms says JJ at 6 is a reach. yet Simms says if he doesn’t go in the top 10 it’s an upset Next stop for Simms is in government.
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Post by inthezone on Mar 27, 2024 9:50:18 GMT -5
I only saw him play 2x. I thought he was good but my sample size is small. This time of year there's lots of hype going on. What do you like about him to think he is our guy? strong accurate arm he can throw it into tight spaces kind of like Eli To Manningham in the SB and he's an athlete and he proved he can be a big game player rise to the occasion didn't he win a big championship game with Michigan last year? The defense won that game just like it did for Eli in 2007.
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Post by bavarobeast on Mar 27, 2024 9:50:20 GMT -5
Nice try 😀 Read up…… Penn State, Ohio State, Alabama and Washington are the victories that propelled them to a National Championship. They had a cupcake schedule the first part of the year no denying it. Yet they slayed every team they faced including the best teams in the country. Try again 😉 No need to try again since I nailed it. Sorry this hurts your feelings so much for some reason and I hope you'll be able to get over it. 🥱
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Post by DonnieYen on Mar 27, 2024 9:50:53 GMT -5
" Phill Simms doesn't know football? Simms says JJ at 6 is a reach. Phil Sims as of late picks on the Giants every chance he gets he said Eli isn't a Hall of Famer he's bitter and jealous wishes he had that second ring or played in that second SB Sims wasnt a great QB he was just on the right teams didn't make any mistakes
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Post by Aris on Mar 27, 2024 9:54:17 GMT -5
If 90% of your opinion is from watching JJ play in games, then you know nothing. You can have an opinion, what’s the point of being on a message board without opinions. But let’s not pretend we have the faintest idea of what we’re talking about. We’re picking lottery numbers and arguing about who picked the right ones before the draw. NFL teams invest tens of millions of dollars into accurately predicting what a player will be in the NFL, and for 1st rd QBs in particular they get it wrong 60-70% of the time. Absolutely, but the reward is a jackpot and having the most important position on your team on a 5 year rookie contract followed by a player whom can win games all by his lone position. Only other player able to win games all by themselves are dominating pass rushers…. The problem with projecting a QB into the NFL is the processing aspect….once you have all the physical tools, the mental aspect is what separates the greats from the rest. It’s why Larry Bird was the greatest basketball player of all time, IMO…and Tom Brady the GOAT QB…and why I like JJ…he has the correct mind set to possibly be a great one.
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Post by straightrazorman on Mar 27, 2024 9:55:49 GMT -5
None of this necessarily translates into success at the NFL level, but what do I know? I'm living under a rock standing on a mountain (oxymoron?) pounding my chest with ignorance. The fact is that Straightrazorman doesn't pound the chest! Ok, so what does translate to success for you? Caleb folding with USC last year does that translate to success and the #1 pick. There are so many variables, including luck, that determine the success or failure of any given QB, that it's a guessing game as to which one is going to be successful, whatever the definition of that is. Who guessed before his draft that Tom Brady would have been the GOAT? Answer: nobody, because he was taken as an afterthought. There wasn't any team trading up or down for the opportunity to draft him. I don't pretend to know which QB is going to be successful or not, especially when the pros (not armchair GMs, like some on this board) strike out so often. You will never hear me beating the drum for any particular player in the draft, because I simply don't know. Neither do you.
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Post by Martin on Mar 27, 2024 9:58:06 GMT -5
I only saw him play 2x. I thought he was good but my sample size is small. This time of year there's lots of hype going on. What do you like about him to think he is our guy? strong accurate arm he can throw it into tight spaces kind of like Eli To Manningham in the SB and he's an athlete and he proved he can be a big game player rise to the occasion didn't he win a big championship game with Michigan last year? So many GMs get it wrong. It's a difficult decision for Schoen. Thx
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Post by straightrazorman on Mar 27, 2024 10:00:00 GMT -5
If 90% of your opinion is from watching JJ play in games, then you know nothing. You can have an opinion, what’s the point of being on a message board without opinions. But let’s not pretend we have the faintest idea of what we’re talking about. We’re picking lottery numbers and arguing about who picked the right ones before the draw. NFL teams invest tens of millions of dollars into accurately predicting what a player will be in the NFL, and for 1st rd QBs in particular they get it wrong 60-70% of the time. Absolutely, but the reward is a jackpot and having the most important position on your team on a 5 year rookie contract followed by a player whom can win games all by his lone position. Only other player able to win games all by themselves are dominating pass rushers…. The problem with projecting a QB into the NFL is the processing aspect….once you have all the physical tools, the mental aspect is what separates the greats from the rest. It’s why Larry Bird was the greatest basketball player of all time, IMO…and Tom Brady the GOAT QB…and why I like JJ…he has the correct mind set to possibly be a great one. Nailed it.
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