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Post by myronguyton29 on Apr 25, 2024 9:53:30 GMT -5
you still gotta find them, the same way you'd have to find the qb......... We may have already found one in Slayton, Robinson, or Hyatt. We don’t have a QB to know. Look at Nico Collins stat spike with Stroud v Davis Mills. Taking a WR at 6 is checkers. SB GMs play chess. Then if we have one of those and we take one then we'll have a plethera and if one needs to be traded we can do that. Also with Jones for what they paid him and having an out after this year, I'm sure they as well as some of us wants to see him behind hopefully the line is significantly fixed this year. There will be no more excuses and not that there should have been many before, but even Mahomes wasn't surviving behind the shit show we showed last year and especially early on in the season. If he gets hurt then it just is what it is and we know we'll move on, next man up and that's Lock. See what he has with a change of scenery and then you move on to still getting another qb next year if they don't take later in the draft this year. |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Apr 25, 2024 9:57:46 GMT -5
Draft a QB and red shirt him. even if it's not with the 6th pick. If it's not Jayden Daniels I'm not trusting any other of them or at least giving up picks for any other of them.......... |
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Post by vinnie on Apr 25, 2024 10:26:19 GMT -5
We wrecked the career of our two time Super Bowl winning QB by not helping him and giving him the players to succeed, we have kept that practice up with Daniel Jones and the revolving door of HC's, GM's and OC's and no O line . Some think the answer is to continue that practice and draft another QB that has no protection and will get killed behind a BS line with no weapons to throw too,................., now that's stupid. So you’re already claiming our new O line sucks, all our WR’s suck and there’s no good WR’s in round 2 that we could draft? And assuming we sit the rookie for the first year, you’re then saying next years O line will suck and we won’t be able to get a good WR with our 1st round pick? Nice to know you’re already making excuses for Jones before the draft has even happened. “Just wait until year 7”! |
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Post by repeatchamps on Apr 25, 2024 10:31:01 GMT -5
Draft a QB and red shirt him. even if it's not with the 6th pick. If it's not Jayden Daniels I'm not trusting any other of them or at least giving up picks for any other of them.......... Sadly this is my gut feeling on this QB class as well with maybe some belief that McCarthy can be sustainably successful as well. Daniels doesn't want Washington supposedly but doubtful Washington just bows to his supposed feelings and let's him slide by. |
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Post by vinnie on Apr 25, 2024 10:32:04 GMT -5
Rodgers was a late 1sr rounder. Brees was a 2nd rounder. Hurts was a 2nd rounder. Purdey was the last player taken in the draft. Just sayin'........ How much do you want to bet on a later round lottery ticket? Exceptions don't prove the rule Notice how they always bring up the few success stories. Hell, add in Romo and Dak, they still don’t mention all the busts drafted in those rounds which far far far out number the success stories. I’m quite sure I (meaning TEM) could come up with a list of Pro Bowl WR’s taken in rounds 2-7 and they would dwarf the number of Pro Bowl QB’s taken during those same rounds during the same time period. |
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Post by vinnie on Apr 25, 2024 10:38:05 GMT -5
We may have already found one in Slayton, Robinson, or Hyatt. We don’t have a QB to know. Look at Nico Collins stat spike with Stroud v Davis Mills. Taking a WR at 6 is checkers. SB GMs play chess. Then if we have one of those and we take one then we'll have a plethera and if one needs to be traded we can do that. Also with Jones for what they paid him and having an out after this year, I'm sure they as well as some of us wants to see him behind hopefully the line is significantly fixed this year. There will be no more excuses and not that there should have been many before, but even Mahomes wasn't surviving behind the shit show we showed last year and especially early on in the season. If he gets hurt then it just is what it is and we know we'll move on, next man up and that's Lock. See what he has with a change of scenery and then you move on to still getting another qb next year if they don't take later in the draft this year. If and when he gets hurt, we’re in the hole another 25 million next year. I wonder if there’s an injury clause for being a dumbass that would negate what we would owe him? Ya know, like not knowing how to slide properly or get out of bounds or throw the ball away or trying to run over a d lineman or lack of pocket awareness or not picking up an obvious blitz. |
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 25, 2024 10:49:54 GMT -5
Then if we have one of those and we take one then we'll have a plethera and if one needs to be traded we can do that. Also with Jones for what they paid him and having an out after this year, I'm sure they as well as some of us wants to see him behind hopefully the line is significantly fixed this year. There will be no more excuses and not that there should have been many before, but even Mahomes wasn't surviving behind the shit show we showed last year and especially early on in the season. If he gets hurt then it just is what it is and we know we'll move on, next man up and that's Lock. See what he has with a change of scenery and then you move on to still getting another qb next year if they don't take later in the draft this year. If and when he gets hurt, we’re in the hole another 25 million next year. I wonder if there’s an injury clause for being a dumbass that would negate what we would owe him? Ya know, like not knowing how to slide properly or get out of bounds or throw the ball away or trying to run over a d lineman or lack of pocket awareness or not picking up an obvious blitz. While most players learn from an early age on how to slide.. Jones got a scholarship at slip and fall school. |
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Post by Jomo on Apr 25, 2024 10:53:03 GMT -5
The only QB pick I could support would be if we've identified a jewel in the 2nd or 3rd round.
We trade down and add a pick or two this year. Use one of them on a developmental QB guy.
Our roster still has major holes in many places.
DJ as a question mark is still better than no one at CB, S or WR1.
I place rebuilding the roster ahead of forcing a roll the dice QB pick this year especially since it would likely deplete our draft capital this year and probably next year as well.
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Post by bavarobeast on Apr 25, 2024 11:21:11 GMT -5
The only QB pick I could support would be if we've identified a jewel in the 2nd or 3rd round. We trade down and add a pick or two this year. Use one of them on a developmental QB guy. Our roster still has major holes in many places. DJ as a question mark is still better than no one at CB, S or WR1. I place rebuilding the roster ahead of forcing a roll the dice QB pick this year especially since it would likely deplete our draft capital this year and probably next year as well. Jewels are in the first round - chump change after that. Building a roster around an inadequate quarterback will get us nowhere. Build the roster around the quarterback. It ain’t rocket science. |
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 25, 2024 11:26:00 GMT -5
Who does this guy sound like? (it’s uncanny!)
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 25, 2024 11:27:21 GMT -5
Draft a QB and red shirt him. even if it's not with the 6th pick. If it's not Jayden Daniels I'm not trusting any other of them or at least giving up picks for any other of them.......... You could be right |
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Post by Merlin on Apr 25, 2024 11:38:10 GMT -5
Draft a QB and red shirt him. If we go QB, going to have to. Not even close to putting him in a position to succeed especially if he needs a certain level of development. Just going to ruin him. |
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Post by Nick6475 on Apr 25, 2024 11:50:18 GMT -5
Draft a QB and red shirt him. If we go QB, going to have to. Not even close to putting him in a position to succeed especially if he needs a certain level of development. Just going to ruin him. If they pick one of the top QBs and especially if they trade up to get him, Jones/Lock may get one shot to show something, but once they fail/get hurt that guy is going in. Schoen/Daboll aren't going to invest in another QB just to have him sit on the bench while the team sucks. |
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Post by Jomo on Apr 25, 2024 12:04:43 GMT -5
The only QB pick I could support would be if we've identified a jewel in the 2nd or 3rd round. We trade down and add a pick or two this year. Use one of them on a developmental QB guy. Our roster still has major holes in many places. DJ as a question mark is still better than no one at CB, S or WR1. I place rebuilding the roster ahead of forcing a roll the dice QB pick this year especially since it would likely deplete our draft capital this year and probably next year as well. Jewels are in the first round - chump change after that. Building a roster around an inadequate quarterback will get us nowhere. Build the roster around the quarterback. It ain’t rocket science. Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Tony Romo, Russell Wilson, Brock Purdy and Jimmy Garoppolo are chump change? |
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Post by mendy on Apr 25, 2024 12:19:58 GMT -5
I don't. But the idea of drafting the 4th or 5th best QB prospect at #6 seems a poor choice. The only exception to me is Penix but the opportunity of getting an absolutely elite WR like Odunze or Nabers is hard to pass up. You are overthinking this. The top 4 or 5 is still better than what we have now..Much better What we have now has taken us to the playoffs , the top 4-5 haven't done shitt in the NFL. |
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Post by vinnie on Apr 25, 2024 12:34:29 GMT -5
If and when he gets hurt, we’re in the hole another 25 million next year. I wonder if there’s an injury clause for being a dumbass that would negate what we would owe him? Ya know, like not knowing how to slide properly or get out of bounds or throw the ball away or trying to run over a d lineman or lack of pocket awareness or not picking up an obvious blitz. While most players learn from an early age of how to slide.. Jones got a scholarship at slip and fall school. I figured one of his coaches would have fixed it after his first year but 4 years later he still looks like a baby giraffe trying to go down on its front legs. It’s comical but sad to watch most of the time. |
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Post by McCherry on Apr 25, 2024 12:40:09 GMT -5
Who does this guy sound like? (it’s uncanny!) I literally started laughing when I hit play. I've never heard him speak before. If you closed your eyes you wouldn't know the difference. |
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Post by vinnie on Apr 25, 2024 12:41:39 GMT -5
You are overthinking this. The top 4 or 5 is still better than what we have now..Much better What we have now has taken us to the playoffs , the top 4-5 haven't done shitt in the NFL. If you’re going to give all the credit to Jones for one winning season than by that standard he also gave us 4 seasons of 6 wins or less which is trash. Another great point by the cherry picking, falsely accusing, all knowing Red aka Mendy. |
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Post by inthezone on Apr 25, 2024 12:42:14 GMT -5
While most players learn from an early age of how to slide.. Jones got a scholarship at slip and fall school. I figured one of his coaches would have fixed it after his first year but 4 years later he still looks like a baby giraffe trying to go down on its front legs. It’s comical but sad to watch most of the time. At least he's not fumbling it sliding like Eli did. |
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Post by vinnie on Apr 25, 2024 12:43:30 GMT -5
I figured one of his coaches would have fixed it after his first year but 4 years later he still looks like a baby giraffe trying to go down on its front legs. It’s comical but sad to watch most of the time. At least he's not fumbling it sliding like Eli did. True but he does trip over his own feet en route to a TD when no one is within 10 yards of him. |
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Post by nobelichickin2025 on Apr 25, 2024 12:45:43 GMT -5
If WRs grow on trees we've been looking at the wrong type of tree No we have had the wrong QB/OL WRs can not throw themselves the ball This WR class is tremendously deep. Daniel Jones can not play. He was ruined by the Judge regime and his ability to attack was destroyed. WRs need a QB to throw them into space, see them when open, trust them in windows. We have not had a good QB in a long time. I’d revise this to say we have not had good QB play in a long time. Eli coukd have still gotten it done with blocking. The OL made him an ineffective QB as he got older. All QBs need blocking, but a pocket passer especially. |
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Post by inthezone on Apr 25, 2024 12:46:13 GMT -5
At least he's not fumbling it sliding like Eli did. True but he does trip over his own feet en route to a TD when no one is within 10 yards of him. Eli never was given the chance to run for that many yards at one time but I bet he would trip and fumble it! |
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Post by vinnie on Apr 25, 2024 12:46:45 GMT -5
I figured one of his coaches would have fixed it after his first year but 4 years later he still looks like a baby giraffe trying to go down on its front legs. It’s comical but sad to watch most of the time. At least he's not fumbling it sliding like Eli did. I can’t remember the specifics, but does anyone remember what dumbass was trying to throw the ball away from about the opposing teams 10 yard line and instead threw it too low and the other team picked it off in the end zone? **** that was maddening and embarrassing, not only did they give up a possible TD but a FG at least because they couldn’t get rid of the ball properly. I want to say it was Eli towards the end of his career but I could see Jones doing that as well. |
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Post by inthezone on Apr 25, 2024 12:50:20 GMT -5
At least he's not fumbling it sliding like Eli did. I can’t remember the specifics, but does anyone remember what dumbass was trying to throw the ball away from about the opposing teams 10 yard line and instead threw it too low and the other team picked it off in the end zone? **** that was maddening and embarrassing, not only did they give up a possible TD but a FG at least because they couldn’t get rid of the ball properly. I want to say it was Eli towards the end of his career but I could see Jones doing that as well. This reminded me of the playoff game in 08. It was in the 2nd with a couple of minutes left and Eli rolled out right then threw a duck that was intercepted and run back to the 1 yard line. It was game over after that! |
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Post by krappdetector on Apr 25, 2024 13:00:11 GMT -5
Your opinion might be QB or don’t bother. But if the rumoured price to move to 3 or 4 is correct, I hope he doesn’t bother. In my eyes his job isn’t to take a QB at #6, it’s to make sure who he takes at #6 lives up to that draft position. Saying he better take a QB in the 1st is just a veiled way of saying you hope he gets fired. Just say that instead. There’s lots of people here saying it already.t But if the Giants don't take a shot @qb at all then the 'success' gained @6 this year might very well be enjoyed by another GM and head coach a year or two later. It also can be true that "... giving Daniel Jones $81 million guaranteed and drafting his successor 13 months later is both nuts and the right thing to do ".  |
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Post by Merlin on Apr 25, 2024 13:14:22 GMT -5
If we go QB, going to have to. Not even close to putting him in a position to succeed especially if he needs a certain level of development. Just going to ruin him. If they pick one of the top QBs and especially if they trade up to get him, Jones/Lock may get one shot to show something, but once they fail/get hurt that guy is going in. Schoen/Daboll aren't going to invest in another QB just to have him sit on the bench while the team sucks. Then we will just be creating a new whipping boy. |
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Post by DJones19 on Apr 25, 2024 13:27:06 GMT -5
Who does this guy sound like? (it’s uncanny!) I literally started laughing when I hit play. I've never heard him speak before. If you closed your eyes you wouldn't know the difference. Eli had a shoulder twitch and I see Drake doing something similar with his shoulder, what the... |
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Post by cdngfan on Apr 25, 2024 14:02:00 GMT -5
Your opinion might be QB or don’t bother. But if the rumoured price to move to 3 or 4 is correct, I hope he doesn’t bother. In my eyes his job isn’t to take a QB at #6, it’s to make sure who he takes at #6 lives up to that draft position. Saying he better take a QB in the 1st is just a veiled way of saying you hope he gets fired. Just say that instead. There’s lots of people here saying it already.t But if the Giants don't take a shot @qb at all then the 'success' gained @6 this year might very well be enjoyed by another GM and head coach a year or two later. It also can be true that "... giving Daniel Jones $81 million guaranteed and drafting his successor 13 months later is both nuts and the right thing to do ". If the contract for Jones was stupid, spending two years of 1sts and 2nds (minimum) for one player in a position that has a roughly 66% fail rate over the last 10 is equally (if not more) stupid. That’s like feeling stupid for losing $1,000 on one roulette spin, then betting $5,000 on the next one to try and fix it. I’d rather stand in front of my boss and tell him that the Jones contract was a big mistake but we’ve got the rest of the team (including the o line) moving in the right direction. Compared to standing in front of my boss saying the Jones contract was a mistake but I need you to trust me that the 1s and 2s we gave up for Maye will eventually be worth it, even if it doesn’t look like it right now. If a QB falls to you at 6, take him. But don’t bet 2years of your best chance at roster development on his replacement when most teams (including us) get that pick wrong in the first place. |
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Post by McCherry on Apr 25, 2024 14:17:11 GMT -5
This is true.But if the Giants don't take a shot @qb at all then the 'success' gained @6 this year might very well be enjoyed by another GM and head coach a year or two later. It also can be true that "... giving Daniel Jones $81 million guaranteed and drafting his successor 13 months later is both nuts and the right thing to do ". If the contract for Jones was stupid, spending two years of 1sts and 2nds (minimum) for one player in a position that has a roughly 66% fail rate over the last 10 is equally (if not more) stupid. That’s like feeling stupid for losing $1,000 on one roulette spin, then betting $5,000 on the next one to try and fix it. I’d rather stand in front of my boss and tell him that the Jones contract was a big mistake but we’ve got the rest of the team (including the o line) moving in the right direction. Compared to standing in front of my boss saying the Jones contract was a mistake but I need you to trust me that the 1s and 2s we gave up for Maye will eventually be worth it, even if it doesn’t look like it right now. If a QB falls to you at 6, take him. But don’t bet 2years of your best chance at roster development on his replacement when most teams (including us) get that pick wrong in the first place. But roster development starts with the QB. Go ahead, develop your roster, Get Nabers, try to fill your holes on defense in round 2. They'll be good players on a bad team. "If the Giants only had a QB" will be our cry. You're saying we should value our premium picks. I get it. What about Schoen's 5 premium picks so far? They have provided more questions than answers. If you like Maye, don't wait for him to come to you. Go get him. The first and second round pick you give up for him pale in contract to what he'll give you. |
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Post by cdngfan on Apr 25, 2024 14:45:13 GMT -5
If the contract for Jones was stupid, spending two years of 1sts and 2nds (minimum) for one player in a position that has a roughly 66% fail rate over the last 10 is equally (if not more) stupid. That’s like feeling stupid for losing $1,000 on one roulette spin, then betting $5,000 on the next one to try and fix it. I’d rather stand in front of my boss and tell him that the Jones contract was a big mistake but we’ve got the rest of the team (including the o line) moving in the right direction. Compared to standing in front of my boss saying the Jones contract was a mistake but I need you to trust me that the 1s and 2s we gave up for Maye will eventually be worth it, even if it doesn’t look like it right now. If a QB falls to you at 6, take him. But don’t bet 2years of your best chance at roster development on his replacement when most teams (including us) get that pick wrong in the first place. But roster development starts with the QB. Go ahead, develop your roster, Get Nabers, try to fill your holes on defense in round 2. They'll be good players on a bad team. "If the Giants only had a QB" will be our cry. You're saying we should value our premium picks. I get it. What about Schoen's 5 premium picks so far? They have provided more questions than answers. If you like Maye, don't wait for him to come to you. Go get him. The first and second round pick you give up for him pale in contract to what he'll give you. . We’ll have to agree to disagree. I don’t think roster development starts at the QB at all. It’s by far the most important position, but the type of QB that makes up for roster defaults elsewhere, there’s literally just a handful of them in the NFL. I won’t be upset if he trades 4 top 60 picks for Maye. I think it’s stupid to be upset at an unknown. Same answer if he doesn’t take a QB. He needs to be a good team in 25’. I simply see the probability of being good as higher with 4 different picks vs 1 QB. Either way Im interested in the outcome. I’m mostly indifferent to how we get there. |
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