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Post by miggs on Apr 26, 2024 1:02:08 GMT -5
Too bad that both Schoen and the Banter Boys thought the QB position the Giants biggest need, and the only reason the Giants didn't get a QB was the price was too high. As drafting a QB wasn't the Giants biggest need, and they got the best offensive player on the board. If Jones stays healthy he will play the remainder of his contract. So much wasted discussion here claiming this is Jones ' last season playing for the Giants.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 26, 2024 5:31:24 GMT -5
day one is over. See where they go after this
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 26, 2024 6:25:12 GMT -5
I'm happy with the Nabors pick. Not sure any of the top WRs will still be available when we pick in the 2nd. I would have been ok had we taken JJ at 6, but preferred WR anyway. There will be a really good player available for us in the 2nd, I feel good about it at this point.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 26, 2024 6:30:01 GMT -5
We won't go QB round 2. We might go QB on one of those fliers. We have to face the fact DJ is here one more year. And then draft a QB next year after giving up multiple picks to move up, then he’ll need a year to develop, maybe we’ll have a legit playoff team by 2027 even though half our roster will be due a new contract and we’ll have few high future picks to use to help replace those we can’t afford. So you were willing to give up multiple picks to move up and draft a QB this year but if we do so next year it’s a disaster? And who will be due a new contract in 2027 that you’re worried about?
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 26, 2024 6:31:48 GMT -5
This is all great and all we got a # 1 WR but who throws to him? Jones Lock Devito? Is there any chance we trade back into the first round to get a QB? I don't think Penix will be there at 47 Jones most likely getting cut next year who then is our franchise QB? Don’t worry, we’ll only give up several first and second round picks to take a gamble on one of the few next year Isn’t that what you were willing to do this year?
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Post by inthezone on Apr 26, 2024 6:34:14 GMT -5
And then draft a QB next year after giving up multiple picks to move up, then he’ll need a year to develop, maybe we’ll have a legit playoff team by 2027 even though half our roster will be due a new contract and we’ll have few high future picks to use to help replace those we can’t afford. So you were willing to give up multiple picks to move up and draft a QB this year but if we do so next year it’s a disaster? And who will be due a new contract in 2027 that you’re worried about?Evan Neal! He's going to get 6 years to prove he can play just like Jones.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 26, 2024 6:49:22 GMT -5
We won't go QB round 2. We might go QB on one of those fliers. We have to face the fact DJ is here one more year. I'm very stoked about another 6-11 season. LFG 😄 If the Giants selected JJ McCarthy, Penix or Nix you would have believed we’d have a record better than 6-11 next season?
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 26, 2024 6:53:13 GMT -5
I'm very stoked about another 6-11 season. LFG 😄 If the Giants selected JJ McCarthy, Penix or Nix you would have believed we’d have a record better than 6-11 next season? personally, I think we're set up for a much better year then last, assuming our changes to the line turn them into an average unit. Adding Nabers should really help our offense, we haven't had a downfield threat like that in a long time. We could pick up a good RB prospect to bolster that unit at some point, and a really good defensive player should be available to us when we pick in the 2nd. Are we a superbowl contender, nope, but I'm expecting a far superior team to what we saw last year, maybe 9ish wins. Time will tell...
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Post by TEM on Apr 26, 2024 6:53:47 GMT -5
I'm very stoked about another 6-11 season. LFG 😄 If the Giants selected JJ McCarthy, Penix or Nix you would have believed we’d have a record better than 6-11 next season? We have 2 glaring problems that may bite our win totals. Our O-line is untested as a group. Our secondary is bottom 3rd of the league. (Really needs to be addressed tonight) I do not care who is the QB . No ball thrower outside of Maholmes or Jackson is countering that.
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Post by vinnie on Apr 26, 2024 6:59:28 GMT -5
And then draft a QB next year after giving up multiple picks to move up, then he’ll need a year to develop, maybe we’ll have a legit playoff team by 2027 even though half our roster will be due a new contract and we’ll have few high future picks to use to help replace those we can’t afford. So you were willing to give up multiple picks to move up and draft a QB this year but if we do so next year it’s a disaster? And who will be due a new contract in 2027 that you’re worried about? Yes. Everyone says “don’t force a pick” “or “unless you love a guy, don’t get him”. Take Williams and Daniels off the table, if they couldn’t find one they liked out of the remaining 4 then I don’t know if they ever will or if they do, a team may not want to trade them like Chicago and Washington (maybe NE). In other words, if they let Jones go after this season than they’re options will most likely be much more limited next year and they’ll be forced to force a pick or sign a FA. You did read the part where I said I I think we’ll be drafting much higher next year, right? So what we’ll have to give up next year, to take the same risk on a QB as this year, will cost much much more. For example, say it did take next years 1st and this years 2nd to move from 6 to 3 (which actually seems cheap to me), how much more do you think that would cost to move from 13 or even 10 to 3? A LOT I’m sure there will be one or two QB’s that come out of the middle of nowhere next year but it’s probably going to be a thin, weak QB class where most of the QB’s would have been in the second tier this year which means the price will be even higher to have a shot at the one or two top QB’s. Right now, I believe Shadeur Sanders is supposed to be the best and maybe that kid from Georgia. Think about that. And I think sitting a QB for a year is a good idea, are we going to sit him behind a FA QB or pay Jones a shitload of money to be a one year hold over? Even if we draft a QB next year, and he sits or not, it will most likely take at least one year for him to develop, if not two. So we’re looking at 2026 to have a competent QB under center IF they get it right. Of course if you think Jones is good enough to stay healthy, worth paying, and can take us to a Super Bowl within the next 3 years than there’s no point in discussing any of what I just said. Sounds like a great plan. *For the record, I think wasting a pick on Rattler is just doubling down on some of the stupid things Schoen has already done and continues to do
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Post by vinnie on Apr 26, 2024 7:00:26 GMT -5
Don’t worry, we’ll only give up several first and second round picks to take a gamble on one of the few next year Isn’t that what you were willing to do this year? I answered this in my post above. Really surprised you don’t see the writing on the wall.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 26, 2024 7:04:47 GMT -5
So you were willing to give up multiple picks to move up and draft a QB this year but if we do so next year it’s a disaster? And who will be due a new contract in 2027 that you’re worried about? Yes. Everyone says “don’t force a pick” “or “unless you love a guy, don’t get him”. Take Williams and Daniels off the table, if they couldn’t find one they liked out of the remaining 4 then I don’t know if they ever will or if they do, a team may not want to trade them like Chicago and Washington (maybe NE). In other words, if they let Jones go after this season than they’re options will most likely be much more limited next year and they’ll be forced to force a pick or sign a FA. You did read the part where I said I I think we’ll be drafting much higher next year, right? So what we’ll have to give up next year, to take the same risk on a QB as this year, will cost much much more. For example, say it did take next years 1st and this years 2nd to move from 6 to 3 (which actually seems cheap to me), how much more so you think that would cost to move from 13 or even 10 to 3? A LOT I’m sure there will be one or two QB’s that come out of the middle of nowhere next year but it’s probably going to be a thin, weak QB class where most of the QB’s would have been in the second tier this year which means the price will be even higher to have a shot at the one or two top QB’s. Right now, I believe Shadeur Sander is supposed to be the best aand maybe that kid from Georgia. Think about that. And I think sitting a QB for a year is a good idea, are we going to sit him behind a FA QB or pay Jones a shitload of money to be a one year hold over. even if we draft a QB next year, and he sits or not, it will most likely take at least one year for him to develop, if not two. So we’re looking at 2026 to have a competent QB under center IF they get it right. Of course if you think Jones is good enough to stay healthy, worth paying, and can take us to a Super Bowl within the next 3 years than there’s no point in discussing any of what I just said. Sounds like a great plan. *For the record, I think wasting a pick on Rattler is just doubling down on some of the stupid things Schoen has already done and continues to do So if I’m reading that right, you’d have been happy to give up three 1st round picks to draft Maye? And then still be psyched when we don’t draft until the 2nd round in 2025. And then still be psyched when we don’t draft until the 2nd round in 2026. And then still be psyched when we don’t draft until the 2nd round in 2027. All the while thinking that we’d be contenders by 2026?
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 26, 2024 7:05:13 GMT -5
So you were willing to give up multiple picks to move up and draft a QB this year but if we do so next year it’s a disaster? And who will be due a new contract in 2027 that you’re worried about? Yes. Everyone says “don’t force a pick” “or “unless you love a guy, don’t get him”. Take Williams and Daniels off the table, if they couldn’t find one they liked out of the remaining 4 then I don’t know if they ever will or if they do, a team may not want to trade them like Chicago and Washington (maybe NE). In other words, if they let Jones go after this season than they’re options will most likely be much more limited next year and they’ll be forced to force a pick or sign a FA. You did read the part where I said I I think we’ll be drafting much higher next year, right? So what we’ll have to give up next year, to take the same risk on a QB as this year, will cost much much more. For example, say it did take next years 1st and this years 2nd to move from 6 to 3 (which actually seems cheap to me), how much more so you think that would cost to move from 13 or even 10 to 3? A LOT I’m sure there will be one or two QB’s that come out of the middle of nowhere next year but it’s probably going to be a thin, weak QB class where most of the QB’s would have been in the second tier this year which means the price will be even higher to have a shot at the one or two top QB’s. Right now, I believe Shadeur Sander is supposed to be the best aand maybe that kid from Georgia. Think about that. And I think sitting a QB for a year is a good idea, are we going to sit him behind a FA QB or pay Jones a shitload of money to be a one year hold over. even if we draft a QB next year, and he sits or not, it will most likely take at least one year for him to develop, if not two. So we’re looking at 2026 to have a competent QB under center IF they get it right. Of course if you think Jones is good enough to stay healthy, worth paying, and can take us to a Super Bowl within the next 3 years than there’s no point in discussing any of what I just said. Sounds like a great plan. *For the record, I think wasting a pick on Rattler is just doubling down on some of the stupid things Schoen has already done and continues to do to trade up, a team had to be willing to trade down, and we simply don't know if anyone picking before us was really willing to, and obviously, our FO wasn't sold on JJ (I would have been shocked out of my boots if we took Penix or Nix at 6, personally). I agree with you on Rattler, at least in the 2nd, where the word is that he'll likely be taken, personally, I wouldn't even take him in the 3rd. Team building is a fluid thing, there is no one pattented path to take. I try to be a glass half full kinda guy, not spilled all over the floor...
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 26, 2024 7:06:42 GMT -5
Isn’t that what you were willing to do this year? I answered this in my post above. Really surprised you don’t see the writing on the wall. I’m really surprised you don’t understand the business of the NFL and are operating on pure emotion. I’m being serious. I’m legit surprised because I know you know better. Miggs/Mendy don’t know shit about the business of the NFL and operate from a pure emotional standpoint.
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Post by vinnie on Apr 26, 2024 7:10:43 GMT -5
Yes. Everyone says “don’t force a pick” “or “unless you love a guy, don’t get him”. Take Williams and Daniels off the table, if they couldn’t find one they liked out of the remaining 4 then I don’t know if they ever will or if they do, a team may not want to trade them like Chicago and Washington (maybe NE). In other words, if they let Jones go after this season than they’re options will most likely be much more limited next year and they’ll be forced to force a pick or sign a FA. You did read the part where I said I I think we’ll be drafting much higher next year, right? So what we’ll have to give up next year, to take the same risk on a QB as this year, will cost much much more. For example, say it did take next years 1st and this years 2nd to move from 6 to 3 (which actually seems cheap to me), how much more so you think that would cost to move from 13 or even 10 to 3? A LOT I’m sure there will be one or two QB’s that come out of the middle of nowhere next year but it’s probably going to be a thin, weak QB class where most of the QB’s would have been in the second tier this year which means the price will be even higher to have a shot at the one or two top QB’s. Right now, I believe Shadeur Sander is supposed to be the best aand maybe that kid from Georgia. Think about that. And I think sitting a QB for a year is a good idea, are we going to sit him behind a FA QB or pay Jones a shitload of money to be a one year hold over. even if we draft a QB next year, and he sits or not, it will most likely take at least one year for him to develop, if not two. So we’re looking at 2026 to have a competent QB under center IF they get it right. Of course if you think Jones is good enough to stay healthy, worth paying, and can take us to a Super Bowl within the next 3 years than there’s no point in discussing any of what I just said. Sounds like a great plan. *For the record, I think wasting a pick on Rattler is just doubling down on some of the stupid things Schoen has already done and continues to do So if I’m reading that right, you’d have been happy to give up three 1st round picks to draft Maye? And then still be psyched when we don’t draft until the 2nd round in 2025. And then still be psyched when we don’t draft until the 2nd round in 2026. And then still be psyched when we don’t draft until the 2nd round in 2027. All the while thinking that we’d be contenders by 2026? Incorrect, I said this years 1st (implied), this years 2nd, and next years first. If that didn’t work out I would have taken a gamble with Penix or Nix. I think next year we’ll have to give up a lot of picks just to to take a swing at a QB like Penix or Nix. Now if I’m wrong, we draft in the top 10, or even 5, and it ends up being a strong QB class than obviously everything changes. Really happy about those NE and Washington wins, aren’t you?
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Post by vinnie on Apr 26, 2024 7:12:15 GMT -5
I answered this in my post above. Really surprised you don’t see the writing on the wall. I’m really surprised you don’t understand the business of the NFL and are operating on pure emotion. I’m being serious. I’m legit surprised because I know you know better. Miggs/Mendy don’t know shit about the business of the NFL and operate from a pure emotional standpoint. How is that pure emotion? What do you think their strategy is or should be going forward? I laid out what I thought they should have done, I want ro hear what you think they should have done and what your future plans would be.
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Post by vinnie on Apr 26, 2024 7:15:14 GMT -5
Yes. Everyone says “don’t force a pick” “or “unless you love a guy, don’t get him”. Take Williams and Daniels off the table, if they couldn’t find one they liked out of the remaining 4 then I don’t know if they ever will or if they do, a team may not want to trade them like Chicago and Washington (maybe NE). In other words, if they let Jones go after this season than they’re options will most likely be much more limited next year and they’ll be forced to force a pick or sign a FA. You did read the part where I said I I think we’ll be drafting much higher next year, right? So what we’ll have to give up next year, to take the same risk on a QB as this year, will cost much much more. For example, say it did take next years 1st and this years 2nd to move from 6 to 3 (which actually seems cheap to me), how much more so you think that would cost to move from 13 or even 10 to 3? A LOT I’m sure there will be one or two QB’s that come out of the middle of nowhere next year but it’s probably going to be a thin, weak QB class where most of the QB’s would have been in the second tier this year which means the price will be even higher to have a shot at the one or two top QB’s. Right now, I believe Shadeur Sander is supposed to be the best aand maybe that kid from Georgia. Think about that. And I think sitting a QB for a year is a good idea, are we going to sit him behind a FA QB or pay Jones a shitload of money to be a one year hold over. even if we draft a QB next year, and he sits or not, it will most likely take at least one year for him to develop, if not two. So we’re looking at 2026 to have a competent QB under center IF they get it right. Of course if you think Jones is good enough to stay healthy, worth paying, and can take us to a Super Bowl within the next 3 years than there’s no point in discussing any of what I just said. Sounds like a great plan. *For the record, I think wasting a pick on Rattler is just doubling down on some of the stupid things Schoen has already done and continues to do to trade up, a team had to be willing to trade down, and we simply don't know if anyone picking before us was really willing to, and obviously, our FO wasn't sold on JJ (I would have been shocked out of my boots if we took Penix or Nix at 6, personally). I agree with you on Rattler, at least in the 2nd, where the word is that he'll likely be taken, personally, I wouldn't even take him in the 3rd. Team building is a fluid thing, there is no one pattented path to take. I try to be a glass half full kinda guy, not spilled all over the floor... So you think we’ll be in a better position to draft someone as equally talented as Penix or Nix next year? I obviously know they can all be busts, Nix, Penix, Daniels, Maye and all the guys that get hyped up next year but at some point you have to roll the dice.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Apr 26, 2024 7:17:30 GMT -5
I’m really surprised you don’t understand the business of the NFL and are operating on pure emotion. I’m being serious. I’m legit surprised because I know you know better. Miggs/Mendy don’t know shit about the business of the NFL and operate from a pure emotional standpoint. How is that pure emotion? What do you think their strategy is or should be going forward? I laid out what I thought they should have done, I want ro hear what you think they should have done and what your future plans would be. thegiantsboard.proboards.com/thread/14600/giants-select-wr-why-imo
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 26, 2024 7:23:52 GMT -5
I'm happy with the Nabors pick. Not sure any of the top WRs will still be available when we pick in the 2nd. I would have been ok had we taken JJ at 6, but preferred WR anyway. There will be a really good player available for us in the 2nd, I feel good about it at this point. I think a WR would have been there in Round 2. And for future drafts, I think finding a WR is much easier than finding a QB
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Post by vinnie on Apr 26, 2024 7:25:08 GMT -5
Ok, that’s great, I used to have somewhat of the same mindset but not in this draft and where we were drafting. So how long do you think this team will take to build up until we can get our “plug and play” QB? When do you think we should draft our next QB? Do you agree it will take at least 1-2 years for most QB’s to turn into a playoff caliber QB, even with a very good supporting team? Do you think drafting ANY QB is a risk for a bust or just being average at best?
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Post by jaymas on Apr 26, 2024 7:30:33 GMT -5
Honestly, respect to Joe and the staff. If they were taking a QB it was going to be Maye because that was the guy they coveted. And then they didn't get desperate to take one of the other 3 because the grade wasn't the same for them.
Unfortunately the Pats needed a QB too.
We made the right move even though I want a new QB pretty badly.
Anyone who thought we took Jones for the sake of taking a QB and reached should be thrilled right now and thrilled with how this FO operates.
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Post by jaymas on Apr 26, 2024 7:34:39 GMT -5
Also worth pointing out (though I don't want to be bad again) that you never know what QBs emerge before the next draft (see Jayden Daniels).
The overly underwhelming view in next years class can change.
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Post by ratbastich on Apr 26, 2024 7:37:21 GMT -5
I'm happy with the Nabors pick. Not sure any of the top WRs will still be available when we pick in the 2nd. I would have been ok had we taken JJ at 6, but preferred WR anyway. There will be a really good player available for us in the 2nd, I feel good about it at this point. I think a WR would have been there in Round 2. And for future drafts, I think finding a WR is much easier than finding a QB I would say as well and that is probably why a lot of receivers do not sign a second contract with the team that drafted them because they can be found almost any round, but it is what it is. Nabers is a good pick, but I would've liked a QB. I'm not mad about it but I am afraid that Schoen and Daboll are on the "let us see what happens in year 6" train. If this thing goes off the rails like it did in 2023, who is falling, or going to be thrown, on their sword?
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 26, 2024 7:37:38 GMT -5
to trade up, a team had to be willing to trade down, and we simply don't know if anyone picking before us was really willing to, and obviously, our FO wasn't sold on JJ (I would have been shocked out of my boots if we took Penix or Nix at 6, personally). I agree with you on Rattler, at least in the 2nd, where the word is that he'll likely be taken, personally, I wouldn't even take him in the 3rd. Team building is a fluid thing, there is no one pattented path to take. I try to be a glass half full kinda guy, not spilled all over the floor... So you think we’ll be in a better position to draft someone as equally talented as Penix or Nix next year? I obviously know they can all be busts, Nix, Penix, Daniels, Maye and all the guys that get hyped up next year but at some point you have to roll the dice. way to early to tell who will be available in the draft next year, and we still could take one of the lower tier QBs later in this draft, which could work out, even if the % is much lower.
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Post by keyofgmen on Apr 26, 2024 7:39:20 GMT -5
Solid pick, corageuous and safe... and useless Are Giants fans really that happy with the prospect of another 6 - 11, 5 - 12 season? Thats pathetic I don't know about you, but the prospects of keeping our spot in NFL and QB purgatory has me super excited 😆 Curious, does anyone think any QBs (assuming Williams and Daniels gone) would have changed the prospect of giants doing better than 6-11 in their rookie year??
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Post by Dogecoin on Apr 26, 2024 7:39:34 GMT -5
Imo this will be Jones last year in a Giants uni. If that's the case most likely it means we will be drafting top 10 next year too. Stacking the roster with targets like Nabors for a new QB next year is not a bad strategy either. Nabors is a good pick.
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 26, 2024 7:43:15 GMT -5
I wonder if Trey Benson will be our pick second rd. Young rb to pair with a young wr. I wouldn't mind Ruke Orhorhoro either. I think they go cb good value still there.
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Post by Analyst on Apr 26, 2024 7:45:40 GMT -5
I wonder if Trey Benson will be our pick second rd. Young rb to pair with a young wr. I wouldn't mind Ruke Orhorhoro either. I think they go cb good value still there. Like Benson a lot, but we have other larger holes. I would rather go OL to be honest. I think we need to help out the secondary though with 47. Maybe trade up.
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 26, 2024 7:49:27 GMT -5
I wonder if Trey Benson will be our pick second rd. Young rb to pair with a young wr. I wouldn't mind Ruke Orhorhoro either. I think they go cb good value still there. Like Benson a lot, but we have other larger holes. I would rather go OL to be honest. I think we need to help out the secondary though with 47. Maybe trade up. We already spent 2 first rounder , a second rounder, a 3rd rounder and paid for a guard this offseason. I guess we can keep throwing olineman against the wall until something sticks.
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Post by keyofgmen on Apr 26, 2024 7:54:06 GMT -5
absolutely wild. Still can't believe that happened. Smart though. Cousins is 35 or something coming of an Achilles tear on a 2 year contract. It's insurance. Especially if the next year draft class are weak at QB like some analysts are predicting. More than insurance... the future already set at QB
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