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Post by snyder55 on Aug 17, 2019 15:46:44 GMT -5
I still feel that the team needs a real good #1 WR for this offense, are there any good ones out there who are available and can we afford it...
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Post by Delicreep on Aug 17, 2019 15:52:28 GMT -5
I still feel that the team needs a real good #1 WR for this offense, are there any good ones out there who are available and can we afford it... In a weird way, I am OK with DJ starting off with just average WR's. Don't get me wrong - I want to get him a fantastic deep threat, but a season working with less than great WR's might help him in the long run.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 17, 2019 15:53:16 GMT -5
I still feel that the team needs a real good #1 WR for this offense, are there any good ones out there who are available and can we afford it... Ehhh.... If you are speaking of this year whatever is on our roster is what we will be using,if one of the mids emerges as a number 1/dynamic guy,awesome If not...next years draft (because we already have 85 million invested in Tate and Sheppard...not to mention I think the only one that will probably be on the market will make me stop watching this team due to my involvement in helping.victims of domestic violence (Tyreek Hill)
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 17, 2019 15:56:55 GMT -5
I still feel that the team needs a real good #1 WR for this offense, are there any good ones out there who are available and can we afford it... In a weird way, I am OK with DJ starting off with just average WR's. Don't get me wrong - I want to get him a fantastic deep threat, but a season working with less than great WR's might help him in the long run. Our average recievers are light years better than what he had at Duke,and we are already seeing him make these guys look better than what they probably are (which is awesome) We won't have a choice this year when/if he takes over anyway unless a kid emerges...again,don't sleep on Slayton all of a sudden becoming a big factor in this offense if/when the switch happens because those 2 already have a good chemistry.
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Post by Delicreep on Aug 17, 2019 16:03:18 GMT -5
In a weird way, I am OK with DJ starting off with just average WR's. Don't get me wrong - I want to get him a fantastic deep threat, but a season working with less than great WR's might help him in the long run. Our average recievers are light years better than what he had at Duke,and we are already seeing him make these guys look better than what they probably are (which is awesome) We won't have a choice this year when/if he takes over anyway unless a kid emerges...again,don't sleep on Slayton all of a sudden becoming a big factor in this offense if/when the switch happens because those 2 already have a good chemistry. He looks like he really can place that ball with these guys...just fantastic.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 17, 2019 16:05:19 GMT -5
Our average recievers are light years better than what he had at Duke,and we are already seeing him make these guys look better than what they probably are (which is awesome) We won't have a choice this year when/if he takes over anyway unless a kid emerges...again,don't sleep on Slayton all of a sudden becoming a big factor in this offense if/when the switch happens because those 2 already have a good chemistry. He looks like he really can place that ball with these guys...just fantastic. There is a certain qb who's name I will not mention because it's way too early yet that this skillset he compares to watching him so far...let's leave it like that
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Post by Delicreep on Aug 17, 2019 16:11:21 GMT -5
He looks like he really can place that ball with these guys...just fantastic. There is a certain qb who's name I will not mention because it's way too early yet that this skillset he compares to watching him so far...let's leave it like that None of know where it will go...but how can you not be absolutely thrilled with what you have seen so far?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 17, 2019 16:39:03 GMT -5
I think we have a great group of young wide outs. This is the best young group I can ever remember. A couple will emerge as real assets for our offense. Im so confused... Best group of young WRs? This might be the worst group of WRs to start a season we have had since Eli was drafted. Better than 2011 young core of Cruz, Nicks, Manningham trio? We also had Jernigan, Barden, Hixon on that team... Im not saying some cant make some plays, but this to me is the worst group we have had to start a year...
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 17, 2019 16:53:09 GMT -5
This is the best young group I can ever remember. A couple will emerge as real assets for our offense. Im so confused... Best group of young WRs? This might be the worst group of WRs to start a season we have had since Eli was drafted. Better than 2011 young core of Cruz, Nicks, Manningham trio? We also had Jernigan, Barden, Hixon on that team... Im not saying some cant make some plays, but this to me is the worst group we have had to start a year...  As far as a difference maker as of now I agree,again without knowing if a Slayton or Russell steps up down the line.If nobody does step up it will require probably a combination of Shurmer scheming at a hall of fame coaching level and our QBs playing at a Brady/Brees/Rodgers level go get this group to play over their heads to get the 4K yards required to open up Barkley enough to score enough points a game (at least 27)to compensate for a defense that's going to probably take all year to gell..
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Post by Merc on Aug 17, 2019 18:37:10 GMT -5
I'd rather have a balanced set of decent receivers that complement each other than a go to guy who draws double coverage.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 17, 2019 18:44:02 GMT -5
I'd rather have a balanced set of decent receivers that complement each other than a go to guy who draws double coverage. A guy who draws double coverage messes with the integrity of the defense and opens up a lot of other things .. Balanced decent recievers only works if your QB is Tom Brady,Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers because all it takes to defend average decent recievers is a simple.zone which let's you blitz the RB from all over on every play (see Tennessee game )
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Post by straightrazorman on Aug 17, 2019 18:47:29 GMT -5
I'd rather have a balanced set of decent receivers that complement each other than a go to a guy who draws double coverage.Both on and off the field!
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Post by Merc on Aug 17, 2019 18:59:57 GMT -5
I'd rather have a balanced set of decent receivers that complement each other than a go to guy who draws double coverage. A guy who draws double coverage messes with the integrity of the defense and opens up a lot of other things .. Balanced decent recievers only works if your QB is Tom Brady,Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers because all it takes to defend average decent recievers is a simple.zone which let's you blitz the RB from all over on every play (see Tennessee game ) When I say complement, they each have different skill sets such as speed, height, yac, shiftyness. We seem to be getting that and at above average.
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Post by Merc on Aug 17, 2019 19:02:27 GMT -5
I'd rather have a balanced set of decent receivers that complement each other than a go to a guy who draws double coverage.Both on and off the field! So far that guy is off the field and nursing a hip injury.
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Post by straightrazorman on Aug 17, 2019 19:08:01 GMT -5
Both on and off the field! So far that guy is off the field and nursing a hip injury. I wonder how many games into the season it will take to get him actually playing and how long he will last.
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Post by Merc on Aug 17, 2019 19:37:01 GMT -5
So far that guy is off the field and nursing a hip injury. I wonder how many games into the season it will take to get him actually playing and how long he will last. Depends on whether or not he is trying to get traded to LA.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 17, 2019 19:39:03 GMT -5
A guy who draws double coverage messes with the integrity of the defense and opens up a lot of other things .. Balanced decent recievers only works if your QB is Tom Brady,Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers because all it takes to defend average decent recievers is a simple.zone which let's you blitz the RB from all over on every play (see Tennessee game ) When I say complement, they each have different skill sets such as speed, height, yac, shiftyness. We seem to be getting that and at above average. Ehh...... Nobody frightens a defense on our team right now to make a difference We need a Brady like QB to be explosive with these guys Next year I guess
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Post by Merc on Aug 17, 2019 20:06:47 GMT -5
When I say complement, they each have different skill sets such as speed, height, yac, shiftyness. We seem to be getting that and at above average. Ehh...... Nobody frightens a defense on our team right now to make a difference We need a Brady like QB to be explosive with these guys Next year I guess Too soon to tell, but all our QBs looked good with our group of receivers so far.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 17, 2019 20:58:09 GMT -5
Ehh...... Nobody frightens a defense on our team right now to make a difference We need a Brady like QB to be explosive with these guys Next year I guess Too soon to tell, but all our QBs looked good with our group of receivers so far. Ehh To me it was more Jones making a bunch of average WRs who barely got separation against back ups that Jones made look much better.. If nobody steps up to force teams out of their comfort zone defensive scheme wise We will be seeing Jonee sooner than later because w middling offense won't be able to keep it with opposing offenses that probably take advantage of our young experienced defense trying to get their NFL legs and experience on the fly.
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Post by straightrazorman on Aug 17, 2019 22:06:41 GMT -5
Too soon to tell, but all our QBs looked good with our group of receivers so far. Ehh To me it was more Jones making a bunch of average WRs who barely got separation against back ups that Jones made look much better.. If nobody steps up to force teams out of their comfort zone defensive scheme wise We will be seeing Jonee sooner than later because w middling offense won't be able to keep it with opposing offenses that probably take advantage of our young experienced defense trying to get their NFL legs and experience on the fly. While I respect your having an opinion, I think we'll have to wait to see if it holds water regarding this season.
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Post by giants38 on Aug 17, 2019 22:12:17 GMT -5
Nah - he knows the topic is just whether or not Latimer and others is showing more than expected and enough to keep teams honest. Not replacing OBJ, obviously, but doing enough for the offense to function without having to go 12 personnel all the time. Some times a committee type of situation works as well.Not buy any fault of OBJ but the Giants were locked into trying to get the ball to him 10-12 times a game can't play that way, has to be organic when he is open he gets not just forcing the issue, think this will force them to be more diversified.I think Saquon will be running deeper routes also. If you have an elite receiver, you get the ball to him as often as possible.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 17, 2019 22:18:21 GMT -5
Some times a committee type of situation works as well.Not buy any fault of OBJ but the Giants were locked into trying to get the ball to him 10-12 times a game can't play that way, has to be organic when he is open he gets not just forcing the issue, think this will force them to be more diversified.I think Saquon will be running deeper routes also. If you have an elite receiver, you get the ball to him as often as possible. Yes and no Yes if he has a favorable matchup. If he is disrupting the defense out of what they do well and opening up other things you exploit these holes.The truly elite teams take advantage of these holes and matchups...we never did enough on a consistent basis with OBJ for whatever reasons
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Post by DandyDon on Aug 17, 2019 22:21:07 GMT -5
Ehh To me it was more Jones making a bunch of average WRs who barely got separation against back ups that Jones made look much better.. If nobody steps up to force teams out of their comfort zone defensive scheme wise We will be seeing Jonee sooner than later because w middling offense won't be able to keep it with opposing offenses that probably take advantage of our young experienced defense trying to get their NFL legs and experience on the fly. While I respect your having an opinion, I think we'll have to wait to see if it holds water regarding this season. "Does the defense's position hold water?" Classic movie line.
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Post by giants38 on Aug 17, 2019 22:23:48 GMT -5
Does the team need a FB? Does the team need four TEs? Two valuable roster spots that might be available to a WR. I sure want Slayton on the squad.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 17, 2019 23:30:58 GMT -5
Does the team need a FB? Does the team need four TEs? Two valuable roster spots that might be available to a WR. I sure want Slayton on the squad. Honestly the only time a fullback is useful for an offense is on the goal line? You line up in a 21 a disciplined defense knows it's either a run or play action and you can coach the linebackers into staying put until its sure who has the ball And these days a guy like Ellison can line up in the backfield and be a lead blocker if needed. Your 3 TEs should be Engram,Ellison and Conrad...
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 18, 2019 10:36:38 GMT -5
Some times a committee type of situation works as well.Not buy any fault of OBJ but the Giants were locked into trying to get the ball to him 10-12 times a game can't play that way, has to be organic when he is open he gets not just forcing the issue, think this will force them to be more diversified.I think Saquon will be running deeper routes also. If you have an elite receiver, you get the ball to him as often as possible. he needs to be part of the progression not the one and only. Sometimes and this is probably more Eli then any thing he was forcing the issue OBJ is a fantastic WR but not a guy like Plex where if you put anywhere in the zip code he is gonna get it and he was more of an 80/20 when it came to 50/50 balls.
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Post by Merc on Aug 18, 2019 10:45:10 GMT -5
Does the team need a FB? Does the team need four TEs? Two valuable roster spots that might be available to a WR. I sure want Slayton on the squad. Honestly the only time a fullback is useful for an offense is on the goal line? You line up in a 21 a disciplined defense knows it's either a run or play action and you can coach the linebackers into staying put until its sure who has the ball And these days a guy like Ellison can line up in the backfield and be a lead blocker if needed. Your 3 TEs should be Engram,Ellison and Conrad... If the FB is good enough to take one of the RB slots, then yes. I also want White on the WR squad.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 18, 2019 18:27:32 GMT -5
Honestly the only time a fullback is useful for an offense is on the goal line? You line up in a 21 a disciplined defense knows it's either a run or play action and you can coach the linebackers into staying put until its sure who has the ball And these days a guy like Ellison can line up in the backfield and be a lead blocker if needed. Your 3 TEs should be Engram,Ellison and Conrad... If the FB is good enough to take one of the RB slots, then yes. I also want White on the WR squad. Sorry,I'm not wasting a roster spot on a player that is irrelevant for 90% of the time and sacrifice possibly having that dynamic guy be claimed by another team (IE Slayton)
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Post by Merc on Aug 18, 2019 18:46:10 GMT -5
If the FB is good enough to take one of the RB slots, then yes. I also want White on the WR squad. Sorry,I'm not wasting a roster spot on a player that is irrelevant for 90% of the time and sacrifice possibly having that dynamic guy be claimed by another team (IE Slayton) Its not wasting a spot if he can double as a RB.
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Post by nygiantsfan1029 on Aug 18, 2019 20:43:09 GMT -5
Too early to really judge. Unless someone shows to be a stud id expect us draft a WR early in the draft next year. That or a pass rusher.
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