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Post by IrishMike on Aug 20, 2019 11:01:39 GMT -5
Do you consider them hypocrites? Or do you put them in the same mold as the people that bashed the Barkley and Jones pick but now love them? Honest question because I am not sure where I fall. I still don't like either pick and I won't until the day they hold up the trophy. Every time the Giants picked in the top 4 these past 3 decades those players brought home championships and I feel that same requirement should continue. Top four? Forget that man, my requirement as a Giants fan is that any first round draft pick gets us closer to that trophy. I don't care what slot they landed in, we usually only get 1 first round pick, so he better contribute (looking at you Eli Apple and Flowers).
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 20, 2019 11:05:52 GMT -5
Being a winner in college is a bit like being the fastest guy at a fat camp. “I played for a top school that had all top players and we kicked the crap out of a bunch of insurance agents, financial advisors and lawyers”. “Those sound like the credentials of an expert, tell us more” He also won more games in Cleveland as a rookie QB in his rookie year than the Browns team did 3 years prior combined. What an accomplishment. He was on a team that after five tears of rebuilding has gotten better. How do we know that wasn't Nick Chubb or Denzel Ward? What an amazing accomplishment. He should just retire now.
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Post by Nite on Aug 20, 2019 11:07:36 GMT -5
last year I had kinda wished Mayfield would have ended up a Jet, because NY media would have destroyed that ego, and false sense of mediocrity. At least in Cleveland nobody cares about ego, because they've always been used to Lebron =P
Guess I should point out that I haven't been a big fan of Mayfield, lol if he played well as a Jet the NY media would have loved him and perpetuated any cocky stupid things he said. Until he starts losing..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 11:07:52 GMT -5
I still don't like either pick and I won't until the day they hold up the trophy. Every time the Giants picked in the top 4 these past 3 decades those players brought home championships and I feel that same requirement should continue. Top four? Forget that man, my requirement as a Giants fan is that any first round draft pick gets us closer to that trophy. I don't care what slot they landed in, we usually only get 1 first round pick, so he better contribute (looking at you Eli Apple and Flowers). Top 4 has happened multiple times but not all 1st rounders have delivered the trophy.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 20, 2019 11:07:56 GMT -5
There are a lot of fans here that would love his swagger if he was the Giants QB, that are currently trashing him for it. We know this because, they did it to Odell. sorry .... I dont confuse swagger with being a dumbass... If he is a Giant, its swagger, or being awesome for the kids, but if he is on another team, its being a dumbass. Not singling out you, but the fan base in general. Another example, if Eli played for the Cowboys, we all would want him to continue to be the Cowboys QB right now. No questions asked. Knowing the type of QB he is now and wanting our defense to play vs him. Kinda like what Demarcus Lawrence was teasing about.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 20, 2019 11:08:15 GMT -5
My bottom line on Mayfield He was the best QB coming out last year, this year, and MAYBE next year. He has a fiery attitude that can turn a bad team into a good team and change the environment for the good. His mouth can write checks his ass can cash. He is highly motivated and energized and that could be good when things are going well, but disastrous when things go bad. the check writing thing is still up in the air.... lets see what Mr. Wonderful can do going going forward. He was a great prospect and showed last season he MAY have what it takes.
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Post by giants8493 on Aug 20, 2019 11:09:01 GMT -5
Macadoo ruined that when he started Geno Smith... I remember the first thing Geno did at the podium post game was trash Rex Ryan. You can tell that the entire room was flabbergasted! I liked how Geno actually spoke his mind instead of giving some awwww shucks, PC answer. Odell has been repeatedly ripping the Giants and Eli in the media and Eli didn't have much more to say than "I've known Odell my whole life...I hope we can laugh about this someday." Cmon brother, Odell Jr. ripped the Giants, and disrespected the fans while Odell Sr. is ripping the ownership of the Giants on social media..and all you have to say is "I hope we can laugh at this." Was expecting more from Eli because he is great at delivering one liners. Mayfield always struck me as a self-absorbed, spoiled, diva. Cowherd is spot on about that guy. What if that really is whats on Eli's mind? Why can't Geno have the opportunity to be a starting QB again on his mind? All that stuff you mentioned is drama that exists off the field and does not affect the product on the field in the slightest. And if off the field drama is the only thing that is on a football players mind immediately following a football game... this indicates a lack of focus on the players job. If Eli is thinking about Odell and Cleveland it means that he isn't thinking about his opponent. The Browns are not on the schedule, so the only time Eli should be worrying about them is if they are about to meet in the superbowl. I get that there is certain entertainment value in that stuff but it also is a distraction. This team has lacked discipline over the years and it is time to bring it back if they want any chance to be competitive this season.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 20, 2019 11:09:06 GMT -5
He also won more games in Cleveland as a rookie QB in his rookie year than the Browns team did 3 years prior combined. What an accomplishment. He was on a team that after five tears of rebuilding has gotten better. How do we know that wasn't Nick Chubb or Denzel Ward? What an amazing accomplishment. He should just retire now. Come on, even your sarcasm doesnt work for that. So now to fit your narrative, it isnt the starting QB. Gotcha. It was definitely Ward or Chubb who turned them around. lol
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 20, 2019 11:09:39 GMT -5
sorry .... I dont confuse swagger with being a dumbass... If he is a Giant, its swagger, or being awesome for the kids, but if he is on another team, its being a dumbass. Not singling out you, but the fan base in general. Another example, if Eli played for the Cowboys, we all would want him to continue to be the Cowboys QB right now. No questions asked. Knowing the type of QB he is now and wanting our defense to play vs him. Kinda like what Demarcus Lawrence was teasing about. Of course. That's the nature of fandom. It's neither rational nor logical.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 20, 2019 11:11:46 GMT -5
What an accomplishment. He was on a team that after five tears of rebuilding has gotten better. How do we know that wasn't Nick Chubb or Denzel Ward? What an amazing accomplishment. He should just retire now. Come on, even your sarcasm doesnt work for that. So now to fit your narrative, it isnt the starting QB. Gotcha. It was definitely Ward or Chubb who turned them around. lol Sure. After five years of rebuilding it was all one guy that achieved those amazing incredible mediocre results. And just to be clear everything good that happens from this point forward as well.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 20, 2019 11:14:34 GMT -5
Its not hard to take a 1 win team over a 2 year period to get them nearly .500 as a rookie QB? Ok.... Not what I said at all. You said its not hard to win more games as a rookie QB with the Browns, then the Brown did 3 years prior combined. Thats what you said and quoted me saying. Unless you misread it. He got them to 7-8-1 Thats pretty impressive for a lousy team. If DJ got us 7-8 wins this year by himself, Id be really impressed as well.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 20, 2019 11:15:53 GMT -5
I dont care what they are, Im just calling out the truth. The Giants jersey changes perceptions. And your Barkley/Jones picks are a bit different. Neither of those 2 are being trashed for character concerns. Just where they were picked and when they were picked Of course the jersey changes perceptions by fans. Although a ton of fans slammed Odell when he was here so I would need actual evidence that people bashing him now didn't bash him before. I seemed to be in the minority of people not bashing him when he played here. Seemed like most of the site bashed his character and loved his play, obviously they won't focus on this play now that it's not for us.
I don't get why it is ok to bash a player's perceived skill level and not his character though. People hated Jones as a player before the draft and suddenly like him after the draft. People here bashed Barkley's skill as well (more rare but I can name at least 1) and flipped once he was drafted. This is what most fickle fans do.
Find me someone not bashing him now
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Post by themaz5 on Aug 20, 2019 11:17:02 GMT -5
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Post by Nite on Aug 20, 2019 11:17:14 GMT -5
Mayfield is putting a target on his back, even in the AFC. Not sure if that is a wise thing to do. Its like this dude can't control himself. He is at least smart enough not to do this if the Giants were on the schedule this year..
He is an immature kid mouthing off and I think it may be a cause of distraction. The fact that their HC continues to let him yammer tells me that he does not have control. Bad omen for the Browns..
Also what the hell have the Browns done in this league, ever?
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Post by Blue Hulk on Aug 20, 2019 11:18:20 GMT -5
He's protecting his new girlfriend Odell.
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Post by themaz5 on Aug 20, 2019 11:19:13 GMT -5
He's protecting his new girlfriend Odell. Hey OBJ, look at me...I'm talking smack to your ex team....love me now
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 20, 2019 11:19:28 GMT -5
Come on, even your sarcasm doesnt work for that. So now to fit your narrative, it isnt the starting QB. Gotcha. It was definitely Ward or Chubb who turned them around. lol Sure. After five years of rebuilding it was all one guy that achieved those amazing incredible mediocre results. And just to be clear everything good that happens from this point forward as well. You do understand how important having a good QB is right? Of course its a "team game", but without Baker last year they win what, 2-3 games again? Do you not give Peyton credit all those years with a shitty Colts team because he had some weapons around him? That was 99% Peyton Manning doing Peyton Manning things. Baker did Baker things last year as a rookie and the Browns record took a turn because of it. You want to bash his character, fine. But his play is great.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 20, 2019 11:21:23 GMT -5
Mayfield is putting a target on his back, even in the AFC. Not sure if that is a wise thing to do. Its like this dude can't control himself. He is at least smart enough not to do this if the Giants were on the schedule this year.. He is an immature kid mouthing off and I think it may be a cause of distraction. The fact that their HC continues to let him yammer tells me that he does not have control. Bad omen for the Browns.. Also what the hell have the Browns done in this league, ever? Baker was ALWAYS going to have a target on his back. No matter where he went. He makes sure of it. Much like Odell.
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Post by Nite on Aug 20, 2019 11:22:14 GMT -5
Mayfield is putting a target on his back, even in the AFC. Not sure if that is a wise thing to do. Its like this dude can't control himself. He is at least smart enough not to do this if the Giants were on the schedule this year.. He is an immature kid mouthing off and I think it may be a cause of distraction. The fact that their HC continues to let him yammer tells me that he does not have control. Bad omen for the Browns.. Also what the hell have the Browns done in this league, ever? Baker was ALWAYS going to have a target on his back. No matter where he went. He makes sure of it. Much like Odell. The target is of his own construction..
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Post by sundown on Aug 20, 2019 11:24:34 GMT -5
For someone that has no business talking about a rookie player, a fan base or an organization, I don't care how people try to slice it, it was a bitch move by Baker period.
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 20, 2019 11:24:55 GMT -5
Before everyone gets all angry and wants to throw chairs out the window (Apparently I’m too late) Read the article... All he did is state an opinion, are we all forgetting what we were all saying on draft day? I stated that in my opening post that it wasnt that bad but... he is not a NYG fan sitting at his computer. He is an NFL QB dogging a fellow player who has yet to prove himself otherwise in the NFL. Big difference. What he said was douchy.......for sure. I bet if Dan Jones was asked about BM he would just say.."Had a great rookie season". Mayfield by all accounts is a douche. Most NFL players are true blue ********. In the day of social media everyone wants their opinions heard, the days of guys acting like professionals and saying all the right things are long gone. Eli Manning is a dinosaur when it comes to how the league is with showing professionalism. If you’re looking for players to show class and take the high road you’re going to be disappointed. And Jones can’t say anything. He’s an unproven rookie who has yet to play a meaningful game. Before everyone gets all angry and wants to throw chairs out the window (Apparently I’m too late) Read the article... All he did is state an opinion, are we all forgetting what we were all saying on draft day? I completely disagree . There is a difference between fans and a player form a different organization or any player making a comment on who should have been drafted an when. He chose to be a Piece of S### instead of taking the high road. I don’t care what he thinks, you all should do the same. Focus more on OUR franchise and less on what he thinks. He’s a self entitled douche, treat him as such. Before everyone gets all angry and wants to throw chairs out the window (Apparently I’m too late) Read the article... All he did is state an opinion, are we all forgetting what we were all saying on draft day? In a lifetime years of watching football I'm not sure I've ever heard a player comment on the draft decisions of another franchise. Much less a QB criticizing the drafting of another fellow QB. That won't sit well with the NFL, players union and pretty much all the players. I’m pretty sure the NFL union is focusing on more important issues. If they make a statement about this then the league has officially become cheerleaders with pads. Remember, the NFL of “your lifetime of watching” has changed.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 20, 2019 11:27:34 GMT -5
Mayfield is putting a target on his back, even in the AFC. Not sure if that is a wise thing to do. Its like this dude can't control himself. He is at least smart enough not to do this if the Giants were on the schedule this year.. He is an immature kid mouthing off and I think it may be a cause of distraction. The fact that their HC continues to let him yammer tells me that he does not have control. Bad omen for the Browns.. Also what the hell have the Browns done in this league, ever? They sucked less last year than previously. They will all be receiving max contracts fully guaranteed.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 20, 2019 11:31:20 GMT -5
Sure. After five years of rebuilding it was all one guy that achieved those amazing incredible mediocre results. And just to be clear everything good that happens from this point forward as well. You do understand how important having a good QB is right? Of course its a "team game", but without Baker last year they win what, 2-3 games again? Do you not give Peyton credit all those years with a shitty Colts team because he had some weapons around him? That was 99% Peyton Manning doing Peyton Manning things. Baker did Baker things last year as a rookie and the Browns record took a turn because of it. You want to bash his character, fine. But his play is great. Spare me the lecture, I don't belong to your religion. I agree with you that a very good QB is critically important and the most important position on the team. I also agree that it appears that he is gong to be a very good player. He just isn't yet because he hasn't done anything yet.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 20, 2019 11:34:28 GMT -5
You do understand how important having a good QB is right? Of course its a "team game", but without Baker last year they win what, 2-3 games again? Do you not give Peyton credit all those years with a shitty Colts team because he had some weapons around him? That was 99% Peyton Manning doing Peyton Manning things. Baker did Baker things last year as a rookie and the Browns record took a turn because of it. You want to bash his character, fine. But his play is great. Spare me the lecture, I don't belong to your religion. I agree with you that a very good QB is critically important and the most important position on the team. I also agree that it appears that he is gong to be a very good player. He just isn't yet because he hasn't done anything yet. So then you will admit the Browns were much better last year because of him.
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Post by moecoastie on Aug 20, 2019 11:41:26 GMT -5
Spare me the lecture, I don't belong to your religion. I agree with you that a very good QB is critically important and the most important position on the team. I also agree that it appears that he is gong to be a very good player. He just isn't yet because he hasn't done anything yet. So then you will admit the Browns were much better last year because of him. or the ten 1st round draft picks in the last 3 years. Im exaggerating a little there...very little
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 20, 2019 12:47:34 GMT -5
You said its not hard to win more games as a rookie QB with the Browns, then the Brown did 3 years prior combined. Thats what you said and quoted me saying. Unless you misread it. He got them to 7-8-1 Thats pretty impressive for a lousy team. If DJ got us 7-8 wins this year by himself, Id be really impressed as well. You said he won more than their past three seasons. My point is that's not that impressive when they only won 4 games, not like they won 4, 6 and 2 games lol. Winning 7 games with the Browns is impressive.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 20, 2019 12:49:26 GMT -5
Of course the jersey changes perceptions by fans. Although a ton of fans slammed Odell when he was here so I would need actual evidence that people bashing him now didn't bash him before. I seemed to be in the minority of people not bashing him when he played here. Seemed like most of the site bashed his character and loved his play, obviously they won't focus on this play now that it's not for us.
I don't get why it is ok to bash a player's perceived skill level and not his character though. People hated Jones as a player before the draft and suddenly like him after the draft. People here bashed Barkley's skill as well (more rare but I can name at least 1) and flipped once he was drafted. This is what most fickle fans do.
Find me someone not bashing him now I am not bashing Odell, never have. Fair point though, I am sure some of the people bashing him loved those same antics when he was here but I think the loudest ones were probably people that bashed him when he was here as well.
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Post by moecoastie on Aug 20, 2019 12:51:42 GMT -5
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Post by smitty on Aug 20, 2019 13:09:26 GMT -5
Another one. Just like Odell. Feels he must vocalize every silly thought that goes through his head. Has accomplished next to zero in the NFL to date. Go win a division or something. He's just pissed because he knew the Giants weren't going to select him even of he dropped out of # 1. Saquon smoked him in RoY.
I'm sure DJ will file that one away for a later date.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 20, 2019 13:19:46 GMT -5
Dam I wanted to hate on him.
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